Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[jcsunsfan]

OK. I don't get it. Why is Vonleh worth Markieff?

[RunDogGun]

OK. I don't get it. Why is Vonleh worth Markieff?

Because he is a PF not named Morris?(green font)

[Makaveli2]

You wouldn't be getting two first round picks for markieff even if he wasn't demanding a trade.

There is nothing on the Rockets that really interests me. I would much rather trade Markieff to a team that gives the Suns something like two first round picks and a filler. Then the Suns either start Teletovich or go out and sign or trade for a different power forward.

[Twuan89]

I Love The Phoenix Suns.

[saintEscaton]

Some of you (Queef keepers and haters alike) are comically overvaluing him, naive enough to actually believe that other execs are waiting in line to get bent over by McDuh simply due to the reasoning that a change of scenery will do his attitude wonders on a team he reportedly wants to be on. There is a scarcity in ideal trade partners and I can very well expect Queef's preferred destination to either lowball us or not reciprocate interest at all. We are the point of no return and Queef has very well made it clear that will continue to severe connections with the FO and hole himself into oblivion and self-pity. The bridge has already been burned and there's no crossing back to safety. Blacklisting him from team activities/while attempting to keep his career in limbo by sitting his ass on the bench will only escalate the tensions and make this divorce all the more messier. Trying to convince him to set foot in a court in a Sun's jersey ever again for his own good will likely be a futile endeavor that will backfire dwaring the marginal payoff of rehabilitating his value from rock bottom.

Still we have to realize how much of a downgrade Teletovic would be if he was to be immediately inserted into the starting lineup due to a lack of alternative. Don't be surprised to see a large drop off in the wins column with the possibility of us finishing as cellar dwellers. He's a 30 year old bench player who is hanging his laurels upon one phenomenal season has a career FG of % 40% while regressing as a three point shooter last season while averaging exactly the same attempts per game. If he's not properly utilized as a pick n'pop threat (with Bledsoe running the point the most likely scenario) he will not provide the needed spacing and might end up becoming the splitting image of Tolliver who solely camps out in the perimeter. He could be a solid rotational Stretch 4 but asking anything more of him will probably lead to a let down. I think there is another reason why Brooklyn rescinded his qualifying offer and allowed him to be a UDFA other than just avoiding the luxury tax. Pulmonary embolus is a serious medical condition with ah igh recurrence risk and he is still recovering from the multiple blood clots in his lungs that left him fatigued and short of breath last year with the Nets. He would really have to step up his conditioning in order to sustain extended minutes. That being said this team I am vehemently against mortgaging the future for another temporary stopgap band-aid solution at PF just so we look better on paper with a shot at staying in the hunt. Maybe for once we should accept this sudden turn of fortune and not resist against the process of naturally bottoming out. INB4 I get called a tanker. I really don't care at this point

[letsgosuns]

You wouldn't be getting two first round picks for markieff even if he wasn't demanding a trade.

There is nothing on the Rockets that really interests me. I would much rather trade Markieff to a team that gives the Suns something like two first round picks and a filler. Then the Suns either start Teletovich or go out and sign or trade for a different power forward.

You would if they were lottery protected. I personally would trade Markieff for a sack of potatoes. That is how much I hate him. I honestly have a hard time rooting for the Suns because I despise him so much. But to keep things realistic, I offer random trade proposals on here to see what people think.

[Twuan89]

Phoenix Suns Fans Love Eric Bledsoe.

[Twuan89]

You wouldn't be getting two first round picks for markieff even if he wasn't demanding a trade.

There is nothing on the Rockets that really interests me. I would much rather trade Markieff to a team that gives the Suns something like two first round picks and a filler. Then the Suns either start Teletovich or go out and sign or trade for a different power forward.

You would if they were lottery protected. I personally would trade Markieff for a sack of potatoes. That is how much I hate him. I honestly have a hard time rooting for the Suns because I despise him so much. But to keep things realistic, I offer random trade proposals on here to see what people think.

I don't like The Morris Twins either.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Ya'll are crazy! Markieff isn't a starter quality player. He is best as an above average bench player

Dude isn't a PF. Cannot bang low and rebound and thinks he can shoot 3 pters. He is inconsistent as well with below average defense

He will net us a draft pick and salary dump. That is all we will get. Dude isn't bringing us back a superstar.


I really wish we could get Thompson for him and give the cavs back their pick (correct me if I am wrong)

That is what would make sense.

[JMac1]

Phoenix Suns Fans Love Eric Bledsoe.

Nah. Just not fans of John Wall.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Would you guys do this trade? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=opy6agv

+ a pick going back to Utah

Exum is out with a serious ACL injury and Utah needs a PG, I think this is pretty fair for both teams if not slightly in the Suns favor

C - Chandler, Len
PF - Favors, Teletovic
SF - Tucker, Warren
SG - Booker, Weems, Goodwin
PG - Knight, Exum

Sell Chandler and Tucker at the deadline if things don't work out, build a young core of Len, Favors, Warren, Exum and Booker.

[Djedefre]

IDK, Exum is the problem. Not just because of his injury. I never was his fan, just couldn't see that potential that everybody was talking about. Will he ever be able to produce Bledsoe's numbers if we are already giving him up? Needless to say, Favors is such a good player at such a sweet contract. He is a no-brainer, but this package is questionable.

[Years90Suns]

I like Favors, but he is not a PF neither a C.
He has no midrange jumper, so he is not that valuable in today's game.

I would do the Vonleh trade in the blink of an eye.
He can gove us future. He can give us a multidimensional player who can play two positions. He can develope under Chandler and can replace both Chandler and Len. He will be able to take Chandler's place when he is no longer able to play at a high level.
He definitely puts us in a rebuilding mode with Goodwin, Warren, Len and him, but at the same time offers us the opportunity to still aim for the big with Knight, Bledsoe, Chandler...
With Vonleh and the rest of our young veterans we can opt to get into the PO and still develope young players.

[Djedefre]

We have Mirza off the bench. If he isn't a prototype stretch 4 then i don't know who is. With him on court we can convert from pick and pop. Favors could do the inside job. He certainly isn't flashy mid-range shooter, but not exactly terrible. I'm not one of those who think that all PF's NEED to have above average 3pt shooting because 'that is what modern bball asks'. Strong and lethal interior scorer at 4 could be a serious advantage if you know how to utilize it. Then again, isn't every coach's dream to have 2 different players at each position - one's flaws = other's strengths and reverse.

[TASTIC]

I have high hopes for Len. But as of now no they are not "about even" on defense. I'v e made enough well-thought out posts for today but I'll leave you with this instead of another sprawling wall of text no one will even bother to read. Noel's Defensive Box Plus/Minus ranking was second in the NBA, opposing players shot only 45 percent at the basket against him,and the Sixers surrendered 99.5 points per 100 possession.When he was on the court the Sixers went from being a league bottom defense to the second best. Len's only edges him out in contested FG% and his points saved per 36 minutes

Noel got those stats playing on the worst team in the league in the eastern conference. Len got his stats playing on a borderline playoff team (for most of the season) in the brutal western conference. If Noel played the majority of his games against western conference teams (as Len does) those stats wouldn't look near what they do. When evaluating talent, looking at stats is super important, but then you have to consider context as to the environment in which those stats were achieved.

I'm sure he still would have outperformed Len if he was out West. Sure Len had a monster stretch between December and January of this year when he was first inserted into the starting lineup and broke out but he didn't sustain it and eventually succumbed to lingering injuries heading into the All-Star break and fizzled out. Noel played in less total games but still started more and played signfiicantly higher minutes so I think he's relatively more proven at this point of both their careers. Both either barely or did not play at all in their actual rookie seasons so they were almost equally behind the curve and neither one had a head start. Ultimately I think Gobert runs away with this hands down.

Completely agree. Stats back it up too.

I heard we didn't draft Noel because he didn't allow our meds (or anyone else outside top 6 or something?) access to his medical history etc? Shame. Love his game but I think he's a PF, not a C.

Noel:


Len:


Len with that frame and athleticism can definitely be a defensive anchor, but I think Noel is the better player now and in the future.

[NaturalBuns]

I don't know what Bledsoe does significantly better than Wall. Wall is a pretty damn good defender and he's a natural PG with great scoring instincts too.

Everytime they go H2H it feels like bledose out plays him.

But besides that Bledsoe has either been a backup PG or sharing PG with a two PG system. He has never been "the" PG.

I take that into serious consideration. I think he's a 20/8 guy with animal defense in a traditional lineup. That is a good rebounder for his position

Bledsoe has had his share as the sole PG plenty of times. And he's just not that good of a facilitator or leader. He doesn't have that PG mindset. I also think his defense isn't a whole lot better than Wall's either. Wall right now is also a comparable scorer. Bledsoe is a marginally better rebounder, I'll give him that.

Wall right now is already a 18-20ppg, 8-10apg player with All-NBA defense.

Wall APG is up because he has a natural SG, HOF SF, and a good center who is good at rolling to the rim. He gets majority of the PG duties alone. When Bledsoe went down two seasons ago Dragic exploded all his numbers went up. he had sole pg duties. Coming into this season Bledsoe has a good big at rolling to rim. A better off ball guard who can shoot. Possibly a better natural scorer in Warren.

Bledsoe numbers will jump it's inevitable. As long as knight stays healthy.

[Frank Lee]

Can Bledsoe execute the PnR ? He seems more inclined to be a Pick and Bull your way to the rim player

[Twuan89]

Over or Under: 45 Wins For The 2015-2016 Phoenix Suns.

[Frank Lee]

Over or Under: 45 Wins For The 2015-2016 Phoenix Suns.

Thanks...but I'll wait for vegas

[plonden]

Spoiler:

Would you guys do this trade? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=opy6agv

+ a pick going back to Utah

Exum is out with a serious ACL injury and Utah needs a PG, I think this is pretty fair for both teams if not slightly in the Suns favor

C - Chandler, Len
PF - Favors, Teletovic
SF - Tucker, Warren
SG - Booker, Weems, Goodwin
PG - Knight, Exum

Sell Chandler and Tucker at the deadline if things don't work out, build a young core of Len, Favors, Warren, Exum and Booker.

I would probably do that deal, but there is absolutely no way Utah would do it though. Utah is absolutely committed to its core players, and both Favors and Exum are core players. They do not seem inclined to rush the process by making rash moves, even in light of Exum missing the whole 2015-16 season. Utah believes its core of Exum-Hayward-Favors-Gobert will be able to compete for a championship one day. It's defense after the All Star break last season was the best in the league, by a fairly wide margin. Its core players are still young. The Exum injury obviously sets them back, but they have other PGs on the roster and will probably still be competing for the 7-8 seeds in the West this season.