Question about 2017 LAL pick

[NEM]

I keep seeing posters talk about the 2017 conditional first round pick we received from the Lakers as part of the Howard trade. A question that keeps coming back to me is, are we actually going to receive that pick or will it become 2 second rounders?

The Lakers still owe a pick to the Sixers via Phoenix (Steve Nash trade, then Brandon Knight/MCW/IT trade). The earliest that pick can be conveyed is 2016. Per NBA rules, a team cannot trade first round picks in successive seasons, thus the earliest we could receive the LAL pick is 2018. After reading the terms of the Howard trade, the pick conditions are as follows:

ORL will receive the LAL first round pick in 2017, top 5 protected. If the pick is not conveyed by 2017, it becomes 2 second round picks in 2017 and 2018.

To me it seems that we are not going to receive the Lakers pick, but we will be getting 2 second rounders from them.

[Orium]

PHI pick: first round pick (protected top 5 in 2015, top 3 in 2016-17, unprotected in 2018) (?-?)

ORL pick: 2017 first round pick (from Lakers, protected top 5 in 2017, else 2017 and 2018 second round picks) (?-?)


You're right, I can't find any scenario where they aren't forced into sending us the second rounders.

[Crabman]

No one can answer your question. If you think LA is bad enough to get a top 3 pick we won't get a 1st. Personally, I dont think they're that bad. They're going to have to win less than 20 games to have a good chance of getting a top 3 pick. ESPN has them winning 27, and Vegas has them at 32.

Clarkson/Russell
Russell/Williams
Kobe/Brown
Bass/Randle
Hibbert/Sacre

And there are rumours that they're not done adding players. So that's the roster for now, you can be the judge.

[Crabman]

2018 first round draft pick to Orlando
If at least two years after the L.A. Lakers conveyed a 1st round pick to Philadelphia, then the L.A. Lakers' 1st round pick to Orlando protected for selections 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019; if the L.A. Lakers have not conveyed a 1st round pick to Philadelphia by 2017, then the L.A. Lakers will instead convey their 2017 2nd round pick and 2018 2nd round pick to Orlando [L.A. Lakers-Orlando, 8/10/2012]

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

[Orium]

The Los Angeles Lakers trade a 2017 first round pick (protected 1-5 in 2017-2018, unprotected in 2019 else 2020 and 2021 second round picks) to Orlando.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3jVFxyXvM

That's 3 conflicting reports on the pick details.. not sure what to make of it.

[NEM]

Lol I'm going to assume we will never see that pick... This way if we do, I'll be pleasantly surprised

[Crabman]

Yeah I'm confused so I'll do the same as NEM.

[ezzzp]

The most likely scenario is the Magic will get the Lakers first round pick in 2018. It will be anywhere from #6 to #30.

• If the Lakers pick anywhere from #6 to #30 in the next draft (2016), their pick goes to Philly. Thus (two years later) the Magic get the Lakers 2018 first round draft pick (protected #1-5)...if LA's pick ends up protected in 2018, then the Magic get their first round pick in 2019 and its completely unprotected.

The only way that this doesn't happen is if LA tanks this upcoming season enough to get a top 3 pick...very doubtful. Outside of devastating injury plagued season, they will be a mid lottery team at worse.

[OrlandoDream]

Lol I'm going to assume we will never see that pick... This way if we do, I'll be pleasantly surprised

Now your thinking like a real magic fan

[drsd]

The most likely scenario is the Magic will get the Lakers first round pick in 2018. It will be anywhere from #6 to #30.

• If the Lakers pick anywhere from #6 to #30 in the next draft (2016), their pick goes to Philly. Thus (two years later) the Magic get the Lakers 2018 first round draft pick (protected #1-5)...if LA's pick ends up protected in 2018, then the Magic get their first round pick in 2019 and its completely unprotected.

This is the best explanation. Looking at the coming season, win shares project the Lakers to win 30 games. And be the 6th worst team.

For me the Sixers is certain to be awful. From there there are a group of teams that could range from awful to bad: Lakers, Nuggets, T-Wolves, Nuggets, and Knicks. There there is an overlapping group of teams projected from very bad to not-very-good: our Magic, Pacers, Pistons, Kings, Blazers, and Jazz. Looking at this I would say to Lakers could tank to 2nd worst or play hard for 35 wins (West 10th seed, NBA, 12th selection).

If the Lakers keep their pick this year, then what happens in 2019? Does the pick get conveyed?

The only way that this doesn't happen is if LA tanks this upcoming season enough to get a top 3 pick...very doubtful. Outside of devastating injury plagued season, they will be a mid lottery team at worse.

If I was a betting man, I would place the Lakers pick in the 5-8 range. Then we all need to root that the selection does not win a top-3 the lottery.



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[ezzzp]

If the Lakers keep their pick this year, then what happens in 2019? Does the pick get conveyed?

If I was a betting man, I would place the Lakers pick in the 5-8 range. Then we all need to root that the selection does not win a top-3

If LA keeps their 2016 pick (meaning they got a top 3 pick), then in the 2017 draft, Philly would gets LA's pick as long as it is not a top 3 pick. Thus (two years later) the Magic would get LA's first round pick in 2019, and the pick would be totally unprotected.

In the event that LA gets a top 3 pick in 2016 AND also a top 3 pick in 2017, then that would be the worse case scenario for Magic, as then Magic would instead only get two future 2nd round picks. But that scenario is very unlikely to happen.

I live in LA so I'm surrounded by Laker fans who think they'll make the playoffs...I think they'll win around 35 games but most out here expect to be +.500

I buy some of their excitement with Hibbert as he is only 28 and a very good defender and is 10x more compatible with this roster. Also the additions of Bass and Lou Williams + two lottery picks (Randal and Russell) makes their talent base way better than last year. They'll be much better defensively, and if Kobe's healthy - even at his age he's still a force.

D'Angelo Russell | Lou Williams
Jordan Clarkson | Nick Young
Kobe Bryant |
Brandon Bass | Julius Randle
Roy Hibbert | Tariq Black

...ugggh I can't believe I just spoke positively of Lakers, gonna go take a shower now

[drsd]

In the event that LA gets a top 3 pick in 2016 AND also a top 3 pick in 2017, then that would be the worse case scenario for Magic …

… and the best case scenario would be for LAL to be not horrible this year, and then totally collapse. That is also unlikely. As you point out, there are asset pieces being assembled. From 2016/17 they will have more cap space than god. And with an escalating tax threshold, I look for a max-player a year over then next two off-seasons.

When Orlando gets the Lakers pick, whether that is 2018 or 2019, I expect it in the 20th range.

Still that is usually were a serviceable bench player can be drafted and in a couple years said player will provide very valuable depth for an upwardly emerging Magic team.


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[ezzzp]

When Orlando gets the Lakers pick, whether that is 2018 or 2019, I expect it in the 20th range.

Still that is usually were a serviceable bench player can be drafted and in a couple years said player will provide very valuable depth for an upwardly emerging Magic team.

yep that's what I was thinking as well...at that point most of the core will be in their prime and the Magic should be entering the peak of their contention window, so having a couple of first round picks (their own + LA's) will be nice assets to inject talent for that run.

[MAGICian619]

Basically unless the Lakers are selected in the lottery (picks 1-3) in the next draft, we get their 2018 1st (top 5 protected).

[BadMofoPimp]

So basically the Magic traded Dwight for (2) 2nd round picks . . .

[drsd]

So basically the Magic traded Dwight for (2) 2nd round picks . . .

And Vučević.

And, via Afflalo, Fournier.

And maybe another 2nd via Harkless. And so went the other assets: Al Harrington, Josh McRoberts, and Christian Eyenga all ended up resulting in NO ASSETS.

...

So, in conclusion, as of today, Howard's trade that jettisoned Chris Duhon and Earl Clark (pluses in itself). ...

... resulted in Vučević and Fournier, with some spare change.



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[MAGICian619]

So basically the Magic traded Dwight for (2) 2nd round picks . . .

And Vučević.

And, via Afflalo, Fournier.

And maybe another 2nd via Harkless. And so went the other assets: Al Harrington, Josh McRoberts, and Christian Eyenga all ended up resulting in NO ASSETS.

...

So, in conclusion, as of today, Howard's trade that jettisoned Chris Duhon and Earl Clark (pluses in itself). ...

... resulted in Vučević and Fournier, with some spare change.



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......and Elfrid Payton.

[BadMofoPimp]

So basically the Magic traded Dwight for (2) 2nd round picks . . .

And Vučević.

And, via Afflalo, Fournier.

And maybe another 2nd via Harkless. And so went the other assets: Al Harrington, Josh McRoberts, and Christian Eyenga all ended up resulting in NO ASSETS.

...

So, in conclusion, as of today, Howard's trade that jettisoned Chris Duhon and Earl Clark (pluses in itself). ...

... resulted in Vučević and Fournier, with some spare change.



..

FYI. Magic lost Harkless, a 15th overall pick for basically nothing except a slight chance at a very late 2nd round pick.

[ezzzp]

So basically the Magic traded Dwight for (2) 2nd round picks . . .

And Vučević.

And, via Afflalo, Fournier.

And maybe another 2nd via Harkless. And so went the other assets: Al Harrington, Josh McRoberts, and Christian Eyenga all ended up resulting in NO ASSETS.

...

So, in conclusion, as of today, Howard's trade that jettisoned Chris Duhon and Earl Clark (pluses in itself). ...

... resulted in Vučević and Fournier, with some spare change.



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FYI. Magic lost Harkless, a 15th overall pick for basically nothing except a slight chance at a very late 2nd round pick.

which implies that there were either chemistry/lockeroom issues with him or that RH did it as a favor to someone - or both...

...if someone sells another person a car for a $1, is the implication that one person swindled another one - or that there is more to the exchange than the surface appearance of the legal transaction?

[BadMofoPimp]

And Vučević.

And, via Afflalo, Fournier.

And maybe another 2nd via Harkless. And so went the other assets: Al Harrington, Josh McRoberts, and Christian Eyenga all ended up resulting in NO ASSETS.

...

So, in conclusion, as of today, Howard's trade that jettisoned Chris Duhon and Earl Clark (pluses in itself). ...

... resulted in Vučević and Fournier, with some spare change.



..

FYI. Magic lost Harkless, a 15th overall pick for basically nothing except a slight chance at a very late 2nd round pick.

which implies that there were either chemistry/lockeroom issues with him or that RH did it as a favor to someone - or both...

...if someone sells another person a car for a $1, is the implication that one person swindled another one - or that there is more to the exchange than the surface appearance of the legal transaction?

Are you creating "Locker Room/Chemistry" issues?

Because, nobody knows of any problems between Harkless and anyone else in the Magic organization.

Unless you got cold hard facts to back that up, please don't state hypothesis.