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Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season

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Re: Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season 

Post#201 » by Slartibartfast » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:27 pm

rickrolled wrote:Marc J. Spears reports that Tayshaun Prince signed a one year deal with the Twolves for the vet minimum.


That's big. Wing defense was a huge issue for them. Prince kinda sucks at everything but D nowadays, but they have plenty enough offense on the wing - a solid defender who move the ball and let their other wings score is just what the doctor ordered.

Rubio/Jones/Miller/Lavine
Martin/Shabazz/Lavine
Wiggins/Prince
Bjelica/KG/Towns
Dieng (Pekovic when healthy)/Towns

That's a solid team. Weak at back-up PG so very dependent on Rubio's health and dependent on Wiggins making a leap to plus defender/solid offensive player.

Just pushing LaVine and Bennett out of big minute roles and replacing them with Rubio/Bjelica/Martin/KG is going to do wonders for them.

I'd give them about a 1 in 3 chance of being 13th or higher in draft position.
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Post#202 » by DK-All Day » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:42 pm

The Celtics will own the 2016 NBA Draft.

Just watch.
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Post#203 » by Avalanche » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:24 pm

For a young team, it would be hard to find a better low minutes veteran trio to mentor them than KG/Prince/Miller...

Between the 3 of them you really have every aspect of the game covered, on and off the court, attitude, professionalism, work ethic and championship experience

I know they are young, but if the young legs and energy keep them going all 82, those vets could really influence a lot of W's for them

Cautiously optimistic they will surprise.. and would love to see KG have some success there in his last season or two
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Post#204 » by Celtsfan1980 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:25 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:The Nets schedule for the first month looks absolutely brutal!!!! :D

10/28 CHI
10/30 @SAS
10/31 @MEM
11/2 MIL
11/4 @ATL
11/6 LAL
11/7 @MIL
11/11 @HOU
11/13 @SAC
11/14 @GSW
11/17 ATL
11/18 @CHA
11/20 @BOS
11/22 BOS
11/25 @OKC
11/28 @CLE
11/29 @DET

12 road games. 5 back-to-backs, and they don't have any home game stands. Sounds like Silver is trying his best to ensure that the Celtics get a high lottery pick this year.

EDIT: Holy cow! Check out this stretch of games after the All-Star break.

Feb. 23 at Portland
Feb. 25 at Phoenix
Feb. 27 at Utah
Feb. 29 at Los Angeles (LAC)
Mar. 1 at Los Angeles (LAL)
Mar. 4 at Denver
Mar. 5 at Minnesota
Mar. 8 at Toronto
Mar. 11 at Philadelphia

The caliber of teams isn't that high, but being on the road increases the odds of losing I guess.

Eventually the schedule evens out. No conspiracy theory here.
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Post#205 » by Avalanche » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:32 pm

That tough stretch for the Nets early is great news IMO.. sure it means they get easier runs later on, but if they fall in a hole early on they could easily fall to pieces, lack motivation, get injuries overplaying lopez/thad etc

Meanwhile.. JaVale signs the exact same deal we offered him with the Mavs, but now he has to play 2 full seasons at the minimum instead of a season + a couple of months.. and has Zaza, Dalembert and center whose name I forget to compete with at the 5
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Post#206 » by 165bows » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:07 am

I already have an early feeling that 2016 will be another very good draft once you get out of the top 10. Teams will find guys to help


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Post#207 » by 165bows » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:58 am

@ PHX
@ LAC (B2B)
@ LAL
VS TOR
VS CHA
VS NO
@ NO
VS LAC (B2B)
VS LAL (3 in 4)
@ HOU
@ PHI
@ BOS
VS UTA
@ OKC
@ MEM
@ SAS (B2B)
VS DEN
@ SAC
@ POR (B2B)
VS HOU


First twenty games for Dallas. Fairly easy slate, really, with games against LAL (2x), PHI, DEN, and Portland making five of the first twenty.
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Post#208 » by No-Man » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:24 am

Dallas will probably be a 35-41W team, giving up most likely a late lotto pick.
Slim chance that they make the PO if the team has really good health and the rest of the mix that will be in for that 8th spot doesnt.
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Post#209 » by peachbucket » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:08 am

It's going to be great to have a significant rooting interest in three teams instead of just one this year...thanks for the additional entertainment value Danny.
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Post#210 » by 165bows » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:10 am

Next up, he'll be cleared for some more planting and lifting off his foot. Just doing shooting, dribbling right now.

Matthews on what's next: "More basketball activities. More force, more explosion." Also said he's taking one-dribble jumpers.

Just spoke with Wes Matthews. He says he's doing on court work right now and hopes to be ready for opening night.

Wesley Matthews says he'll be ready to go on Mavericks' opening night. mavsmoneyball.com/2015/8/23/9194… pic.twitter.com/ivUQ3H8M1Z
6:41pm - 23 Aug 15


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Post#211 » by 2Mas » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:29 am

Fischella wrote:Dallas will probably be a 35-41W team, giving up most likely a late lotto pick.
Slim chance that they make the PO if the team has really good health and the rest of the mix that will be in for that 8th spot doesnt.

I'm sorry but i just don't see it. I think they might be the worst team in the west? Portland might suck more than them. But Dirks a shell of himself. The only consistent thing bout Dwill & Zaza is that they miss games. Parson & Wes scoped out half their knees. The bench is clearly the worst in that conference.

I'd be shocked if we got that pick. Just can't see then finished with 35+ wins, unless ALL goes right, & when does that happen?


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Post#212 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:52 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/VJL_bball/status/631906106755821568[/tweet]
That MIN pick is not looking good, you guys. Not that there was a great chance for it to be in the 1st rd to begin with.
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Post#213 » by No-Man » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:03 am

2Mas wrote:I'd be shocked if we got that pick. Just can't see then finished with 35+ wins, unless ALL goes right, & when does that happen?


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with the Mavs and with Carlisle? more or less always.
Dallas and Boston will finish with similar records.
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Post#214 » by Fidel Sarcasmo » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:46 pm

^Our Atlantic division is a cake walk compared to your division. We'll do better than 41 easily. Plus we just weakened Toronto by adding Amir. I'm saying our base is 43 wins next year and our peak is 53
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Post#215 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:43 pm

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Post#216 » by Slartibartfast » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:04 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/VJL_bball/status/631906106755821568[/tweet]
That MIN pick is not looking good, you guys. Not that there was a great chance for it to be in the 1st rd to begin with.


Not a good chance, but you've got to look at likely rotation, not just the roster.

LaVine/Bennett/Payne - arguably 3 of the 10 worst players in the league last year - were playing key roles for the T-Wolves last year. LaVine's probably going to be on the fringe of the rotation this year, and Payne and Bennett probably won't sniff more than 400 minutes combined.

The guys that are lined up to replace these guys in the rotation - Rubio and KG - are D-RPM studs. That exchange alone will make a huge difference. The other factor to consider is Wiggins - his D-RPM sucked as a rook, but he's got fantastic defensive tools, he'll be a year more seasoned, and he'll have a far lesser offensive burden if Rubio/Martin stay healthy and Bjelica doesn't take too long to adjust to the NBA. Dieng is also a solid, if limited, defensive contributor. Martin and Muhammad are garbage in D-RPM, but at least they contribute offensively.

Also Tayshaun might be toast, but he also played for 3 different teams, two of them in the midst of collapses when he was traded to them. In 13/14 he was still a modest positive in D-RPM and starting for a top 10 defense - I think he's got some game left as a defensive roleplayer. Miller is the same story, though at his age, it's more likely he's just toast.

Overall, I think Rubio-Wiggins-Prince-KG-Dieng gives Minnesota a very solid defensive core, though it will be diluted substantially by the reliance on Martin/Bjelica/Shabazz for scoring, the need to play Towns/Jones/Lavine developmental minutes and age and health issues.
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Post#217 » by Slartibartfast » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:22 pm

Fischella wrote:
2Mas wrote:I'd be shocked if we got that pick. Just can't see then finished with 35+ wins, unless ALL goes right, & when does that happen?


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with the Mavs and with Carlisle? more or less always.
Dallas and Boston will finish with similar records.


This is the worst hand Carlisle's been dealt yet in Dallas, a little worse than the 12/13 roster that managed to gut it out to 41 wins.

37 year old Dirk coming off a healthy season that was about as productive as his injury ravaged 12/13 campaign and a good bet to decline further. A massively vulnerable defense with two wings rehabbing major lower-body injuries, and historically mediocre and aging defenders in D-Will and Zaza (though Zaza was an RPM demon last year - still, I think the Dirk/Zaza combo is way too slow to work) filling out the starting line-up. They look to be one of the worst defensive teams in the league out of the gate. A good offensive team but their depth and health limit their potency.

Looks like a 35-38 win team to me, assuming they don't throw in the towel and tank after what I expect to be a very rough start.

Boston ain't looking that much better, but they've at least got depth and an easier schedule.
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Post#218 » by No-Man » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:26 pm

That 12/13 was worse if you take into accout that we were without Dirk for stetches and that he was out of shape, is all hypothetical but if Matthews and Parsosn are more or less healthy, this roster is much more powerful.
Also, you undervaluate Williams and Pachulia, both are the type of guys that will thrive next to Carlisle, is just the type of vets he likes.
I am not saying we will win +45 games, but the team will remain competitive an likely finish anywhere from 8-10, unless there are many and major injuries.
The competitin is not strong anyway, NOLA should be above us just because of Davis but the rest of their roster is crap, Phoenix and Sacrmento have talent but they are teams inconstant turmoil and the Jazz just lost Exum, still they should be better than us by a respectable margin though.

I think Dallas will start around 50%, we have rusty players, but Dirk is playing the Eurobasket so he should come in good shape and the schedule is fairly easy.
Anyway Dallas situation is perfect for you guys, if we were truly bad you will not snatch that pick,right now you are looking at a 12-14 lotto selection, not bad.
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Post#219 » by No-Man » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:30 pm

Fidel Sarcasmo wrote:^Our Atlantic division is a cake walk compared to your division. We'll do better than 41 easily. Plus we just weakened Toronto by adding Amir. I'm saying our base is 43 wins next year and our peak is 53

Johnson didnt have an impact last year for Toronto, he was constantly hurt and out of rythm, and if you are talking about his impact as a locker room presence, or leader, both Carroll and Scola will just bring that anyway.
Toronto roster is clearly better than last year's, Boston, too but not by much.
You have a few guys looking fora new contract we will see which type of chemistry you get when several one of them dont get their touches, or no touches at all.
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Post#220 » by 2Mas » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:57 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Fischella wrote:
2Mas wrote:I'd be shocked if we got that pick. Just can't see then finished with 35+ wins, unless ALL goes right, & when does that happen?


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with the Mavs and with Carlisle? more or less always.
Dallas and Boston will finish with similar records.


This is the worst hand Carlisle's been dealt yet in Dallas, a little worse than the 12/13 roster that managed to gut it out to 41 wins.

37 year old Dirk coming off a healthy season that was about as productive as his injury ravaged 12/13 campaign and a good bet to decline further. A massively vulnerable defense with two wings rehabbing major lower-body injuries, and historically mediocre and aging defenders in D-Will and Zaza (though Zaza was an RPM demon last year - still, I think the Dirk/Zaza combo is way too slow to work) filling out the starting line-up. They look to be one of the worst defensive teams in the league out of the gate. A good offensive team but their depth and health limit their potency.

Looks like a 35-38 win team to me, assuming they don't throw in the towel and tank after what I expect to be a very rough start.

Boston ain't looking that much better, but they've at least got depth and an easier schedule.


I think. 3/5ths of the starting lineup plays no d in Dwill ZaZa Dirk. Another 5th is so so in Parsons & Wes locks up, but lets see how he responds.

Terrible depth, terrible defense. & I don't think Fischella is too off with the (be around 8-10th spot). But realistically I think it's more 10-12. Which leads Cuban to fight for 36wins & loose his pick, OR nose dive, tank, & get a top 5-7 pick?

If your not making the playoffs anyways (no way are they better then the top 5 contenders, then the next tier of Mem, Nop. I think they're the worst of the Suns, Kings, Jazz group too, but that's obviously debatable).

Why wouldn't you just tank? Lol I do truly hope that Dallas fights to the end, get their 40 wins, & we get the 12th pick or whatever, but this is Mark Cuban. Let's be real here. The man does what best for the team.

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