OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[mj234eva]

Say this doesn't get resolved when the season starts, is there any precedent for the Bulls or Adam Silver to suspend Rose until an investigation is fully resolved?

For being sued? Hell no.

[BullBearBidness]

I been knew Rose was raping bitches.

[Droseisthe1]

Say this doesn't get resolved when the season starts, is there any precedent for the Bulls or Adam Silver to suspend Rose until an investigation is fully resolved?

For being sued? Hell no.

Yeah you're right. With seemingly no pending charges, I'd agree with you.

[BullBearBidness]

No seriously though, she probably did get a train ran on her, but I bet she willingly took the drugs and whatever happened from there was just natural course of the life she was/is living. At least that's the most likely way I see it.

[unknownnewbie]

Rape is far too serious a charge to be taken lightly. Rose certainly deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but neither should this be automatically dismissed as some sort of vendetta or money grab.

Many women are still afraid to go to the police and press charges when it comes to rape. Many times, when a case actually does go to trial, the women's reputation is attacked. Instead of being treated as a victim of a crime, she is treated like a piece of s*** who is lying to destroy some poor innocent guy.

And I can point to many stories where athletes have had their alleged crimes ignored. For example, there was a University of Missouri female athlete who committed suicide after the school basically refused to investigate her charge of rape against one of the football players. Or how about the town in (I think) Ohio who turned against a high school girl after she accused some of the star hs football players of rape?

I'm not saying Rose is guilty. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she made up this story. But I'm not going to just dismiss it

[madvillian]

Rape is far too serious a charge to be taken lightly. Rose certainly deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but neither should this be automatically dismissed as some sort of vendetta or money grab.

Many women are still afraid to go to the police and press charges when it comes to rape. Many times, when a case actually does go to trial, the women's reputation is attacked. Instead of being treated as a victim of a crime, she is treated like a piece of s*** who is lying to destroy some poor innocent guy.

And I can point to many stories where athletes have had their alleged crimes ignored. For example, there was a University of Missouri female athlete who committed suicide after the school basically refused to investigate her charge of rape against one of the football players. Or how about the town in (I think) Ohio who turned against a high school girl after she accused some of the star hs football players of rape?

I'm not saying Rose is guilty. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she made up this story. But I'm not going to just dismiss it

Dude, if what she claims actually happened, there would be a chain of evidence a mile long. She would have had, ahem, a slam dunk case not only in court but also in a civil suit.

That she didn't come forward until now with this story is a major red flag imo.

[BeatDaCavs420]

I can guarantee you this will come up in court.

I can guarantee based on your post that you don't know a damn thing about the rules of evidence in a civil trial.

[InsideInfo]

I usually don't talk about this kind of stuff bc I don't want to sound like a dbag or a liar, but I will make an exception for this story.

I personally know Derrick and Randall (his friend accused of joining in on this) and in my mind there is absolutely no way this is true. Not even a slight chance.

I have hungout with Derrick and Randall while there was a girl sleeping in the other room and never once was anything like this ever discussed.

I've been at a party at derricks house, Randall was there as well....there were literally over 100 females there and less than 20 guys. Girls are throwing themselves at them...and me and they didn't even know who the hell I was. There is just no way this is true.

I also know 4-5 other very close friends of derricks....notably Tim flowers and a few lesser know guys in his crew. At no point ever, not once has anyone ever talked about "gangbangs" "trains" or anything of the sort.

This kind of story makes me sick. Some girl trying to get paid.

[madvillian]

I usually don't talk about this kind of stuff bc I don't want to sound like a dbag or a liar, but I will make an exception for this story.

I personally know Derrick and Randall (his friend accused of joining in on this) and in my mind there is absolutely no way this is true. Not even a slight chance.

I have hungout with Derrick and Randall while there was a girl sleeping in the other room and never once was anything like this ever discussed.

I've been at a party at derricks house, Randall was there as well....there were literally over 100 females there and less than 20 guys. Girls are throwing themselves at them...and me and they didn't even know who the hell I was. There is just no way this is true.

I also know 4-5 other very close friends of derricks....notably Tim flowers and a few lesser know guys in his crew. At no point ever, not once has anyone ever talked about "gangbangs" "trains" or anything of the sort.

This kind of story makes me sick. Some girl trying to get paid.

thanks man for this.

People that do this sort of thing don't just do it one time they usually do it over and over again. This just seems like a money grab pure and simple the entire story is for shock effect.

[jcuuofd]

Rape is far too serious a charge to be taken lightly. Rose certainly deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but neither should this be automatically dismissed as some sort of vendetta or money grab.

Many women are still afraid to go to the police and press charges when it comes to rape. Many times, when a case actually does go to trial, the women's reputation is attacked. Instead of being treated as a victim of a crime, she is treated like a piece of s*** who is lying to destroy some poor innocent guy.

And I can point to many stories where athletes have had their alleged crimes ignored. For example, there was a University of Missouri female athlete who committed suicide after the school basically refused to investigate her charge of rape against one of the football players. Or how about the town in (I think) Ohio who turned against a high school girl after she accused some of the star hs football players of rape?

I'm not saying Rose is guilty. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she made up this story. But I'm not going to just dismiss it

I don't agree with this. You don't have to be fair and balanced to claims that are made without evidence. You are basically taking the position that there is a 50% chance that it did happen and a 50% chance that it did not happen, which is wrong. The correct position is to be more skeptical until there is some evidence of guilt.

[DuckIII]

Dude, if what she claims actually happened, there would be a chain of evidence a mile long.

2 years later? No there would not be.

[bullslas]

I usually don't talk about this kind of stuff bc I don't want to sound like a dbag or a liar, but I will make an exception for this story.

I personally know Derrick and Randall (his friend accused of joining in on this) and in my mind there is absolutely no way this is true. Not even a slight chance.

I have hungout with Derrick and Randall while there was a girl sleeping in the other room and never once was anything like this ever discussed.

I've been at a party at derricks house, Randall was there as well....there were literally over 100 females there and less than 20 guys. Girls are throwing themselves at them...and me and they didn't even know who the hell I was. There is just no way this is true.

I also know 4-5 other very close friends of derricks....notably Tim flowers and a few lesser know guys in his crew. At no point ever, not once has anyone ever talked about "gangbangs" "trains" or anything of the sort.

This kind of story makes me sick. Some girl trying to get paid.

I vouch for Randall also. He's a good person and don't see how this would happen.

[Polynice4Pippen]

The breaking and entering part is what's really throwing me for a loop here. Derrick and his boy really BROKE INTO HER APARTMENT to finish the date rape they couldn't execute earlier? And this young lady who was passed out not only knows people broke into her place, but she knows for certain it was Derrick and his guy? She could be telling the truth for all I know, but something seems off.

[GetBuLLish]

Dude, if what she claims actually happened, there would be a chain of evidence a mile long.

2 years later? No there would not be.

If she ever had any desire of proving this, there would be.

You can't just make such absolutely outrageous claims and then say, "Yeah I don't have a single piece of evidence except my word."

Again, this isn't a basic rape allegation. She claims she was drugged at his home, then escaped, then he broke into her home with his friends, and they gang raped her. That's absolutely nuts. Not saying it can't be true, but you have to preserve some evidence of this if you actually want people to believe it's true.

And then not only did she wait two years to bring a suit and never go to the police, but she also has tipped off the story to TMZ.

By the way, it's likely that she made settlement demands to Rose before filing suit, so Rose probably knew of these allegations before the suit and chose not to settle.

[truth18]

Rape is far too serious a charge to be taken lightly. Rose certainly deserves to be considered innocent until proven guilty, but neither should this be automatically dismissed as some sort of vendetta or money grab.

Many women are still afraid to go to the police and press charges when it comes to rape. Many times, when a case actually does go to trial, the women's reputation is attacked. Instead of being treated as a victim of a crime, she is treated like a piece of s*** who is lying to destroy some poor innocent guy.

And I can point to many stories where athletes have had their alleged crimes ignored. For example, there was a University of Missouri female athlete who committed suicide after the school basically refused to investigate her charge of rape against one of the football players. Or how about the town in (I think) Ohio who turned against a high school girl after she accused some of the star hs football players of rape?

I'm not saying Rose is guilty. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she made up this story. But I'm not going to just dismiss it

Dude, if what she claims actually happened, there would be a chain of evidence a mile long. She would have had, ahem, a slam dunk case not only in court but also in a civil suit.

That she didn't come forward until now with this story is a major red flag imo.

Just fyi, this isn't always the case, and regarding your last sentence: coming forward about rape weeks, months or years "late" is way more common than you think. Some people never come forward. Everyone is affected differently by acts of evil commited against them, this is no different.

All of that said, one of my best friends was accused of rape on a night which I was with him the entire time, and helped him save his suicidal girlfriend's life after she swallowed all of her meds. This happened the week after, and the accusation lost him his scholarship (not a wealthy guy at all), got him suspended for a year, and now that girl's friends think of him as a rapist I'm sure. One of the best dudes I know.

So who the **** knows what is going on here. We really need more info to come out unfortunately. One thing is for sure: this is very bad for the NBA and The Bulls if (hopefully it isn't) true. And I feel horrible for the women if this is true, but I need to wait before making a judgment call either way, not saying anyone here should feel the same, just my take on this.

Basically just wanted to drop by to say keep your heads up as fans, disregarding the facts of a disgusting crime being possibly committed or a false accusation to drag him through the mud, it sucks that you guys are receiving some worrying news surrounding Rose AGAIN. Its getting ridiculous. I really want you guys to get back to contention soon (us too obviously, but that will take time), and I thought there was a good potential to rebuild and reload your roster with a few slick trades and a bit of luck with Rose getting back to 150%/Hoiberg working out very well (both possible, second is more likely), and now this horrible ****.

Mad respect for you guys for weathering the storms. Realgm Bulls forum has some **** fantastic fans and you all have my utmost respect for continuing to post frequently when things were awful.

Positive karma will eventually start to fall on your side imo. Best of luck in the nearing season.

Spoiler:

and trade Butler to us

Peace, homies.

[nomorezorro]

i hate the knee-jerk BITCH WANTS MONEY! NBA PLAYERS CAN **** WHOEVER THEY WANT THIS COULD NEVER HAPPEN!!! but i also think it is possible to acknowledge that rape charges are generally very serious/people shouldn't necessarily dismiss this out of hand while also acknowledging that it's justified to take more of a "wait and see" approach in this particular case (beyond "i don't want to believe my favorite sports man is a bad person")

the set of circumstances here - claim multiple years after the fact, in just a civil suit, with details seemingly leaked to tmz absent of any actual filing (unless other media outlets are supremely bad at getting their hands on a major case that's already been filed), with additional embarrassing salacious details included in that leak - are kind of a red flag.

that doesn't mean this can in no way be legitimate, but it's definitely less of an immediate "ahhhh **** this dude might have done a really bad thing" reaction than, say, the patrick kane thing. hopefully the details will bear out that initial impression!

[High level]

Its hard for anyone to believe that superstars are rapist. Guys like Tiger Woods Kobe Russel Wilson Kaepernick Tom Brady Lebron Curry KD Rose hell even James harden can get pussy anytime they want literally. Sounds like a money grabbing gold digging thot to me.

[Keller61]

Obviously it sounds very far-fetched and we can't make any judgements without more facts, but damn this ruined my day.

[TyrusRose2425]

anything for a dollar... smh

[nrockwaychicago]

this is something i never thought i would read. i really hope it isn't true.

i think it's important not to jump to any conclusions either way. we shouldn't immediately disregard a rape accusation just because it's against a guy we all like an root for. but on the other hand, rose hasn't been proven guilty, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's made-up. at least i hope it is.