OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[johnnyvann840]

She couldn't even get a credible lawyer to touch this . That says a lot.

[musiqsoulchild]

One part of the story is already true - that Derrick and his attorney's acknowledge that they were in a non-exclusive relationship for a period of time.

This means that Derrick was having sexual relations with her - while also doing so with other partners AND also his baby mama.

There is no denying that. This itself is a loss of face for Derrick.

There are a 100 different ways this could have played out OR this could have been fabricated. But the fact that the lawyers have come out OPENLY and said "Yes, they screwed - several times" tells you that there is evidence of a relationship.

If there is a substantial amount of it - then its pretty easy to weave a story (for either the plaintiff or the accused).

Not sure if it's really that much of a PR hit since he's not married or in any other sort of declared monogamous relationship. Staying single is probably one of the smartest things he's done off the court.

Not only is it not a PR hit, most people with any common sense would probably be surprised if he wasn't a womanizing millionaire in his 20's that has access to the finest woman on this planet.

You are missing my point.

Everyone with half a brain knows that Derrick messes around. No big deal.

However, I dont want to know the details of it - hell my best friend and I dont talk about what we do in our bedrooms. I am not sure how it will play out when details of his "non-exclusive relationship" come out.

Wade had so much drama on his hand - just for fighting custody of his kids. This is in many ways worse.

[bullsRlife]

One part of the story is already true - that Derrick and his attorney's acknowledge that they were in a non-exclusive relationship for a period of time.

This means that Derrick was having sexual relations with her - while also doing so with other partners AND also his baby mama.

There is no denying that. This itself is a loss of face for Derrick.

There are a 100 different ways this could have played out OR this could have been fabricated. But the fact that the lawyers have come out OPENLY and said "Yes, they screwed - several times" tells you that there is evidence of a relationship.

If there is a substantial amount of it - then its pretty easy to weave a story (for either the plaintiff or the accused).

Not sure if it's really that much of a PR hit since he's not married or in any other sort of declared monogamous relationship. Staying single is probably one of the smartest things he's done off the court.

Look at this as a logical sequence of events.

1) Derrick's lawyers ACKNOWLEDGE that there was a relationship ( implies there is a ton of evidence to prove this no matter how much on the side Derrick tried to have this girl)

2) This information will all be subpeona'd as part of the lawsuit to establish the nature of their relationship

3) TMZ or even a more reputable media outlet will publish those pieces of evidence

4) Rose's relationship with his baby's mother and his family and his teammates suffers (?)

Thats whats important to me. Just listening to some of these accusations makes you feel grimy...can you imagine seeing his text messages to her and vice versa. And god forbid, if there is video evidence that makes it out.

I am not talking about rape/lawsuit - just the sexual nature of their relationship when displayed on TV/ESPN/YAHOO/REALGM. This is a sport watched by kids and families. This sort of thing hurts tangibly.

"Derrick tried to have this girl"

Bruh, sorry to burst your bubble, but they had a 2 year relationship. He already "had" her on numerous occasions.

Him and his baby mama already split up. I'm sure the reason was that he's a womanizer. In fact, that is the reason why. How does this affect anything? She probably already knows about this chick, and him and his baby mama were seen together with their child in Disney World recently. I don't see how this affects anything with her? And about the teammates. I actually think this will bring them closer together, and an us against them mentality. I'm sure each and everyone has his back, and knows this is BS.

It only makes you feel "grimey", because you're trying so hard to take her side, and you're naive to what a 20 something year old athlete is really like behind closed doors. Hell, even when I was 7 or 8, I knew famous, and rich people could get whatever they wanted, and that they probably party harder than the average person.

[Zeb]

THADDEUS JULIAN CULPEPPER [#220194], 37, of Pasadena was suspended for two years, stayed, placed on three years of probation and was ordered to take the MPRE within one year. The order took effect Nov. 25, 2010.
Culpepper stipulated to five counts of misconduct in three matters.

^lol that is her lawyer

Unreal. I would like to know what he got suspended for. A two year suspension means he was on the cusp of getting disbarred.

It gives descriptions:

Overview of the attorney discipline system.

1/22/2015 Suspended, failed to pass Prof.Resp.Exam 11-O-17682 Not Eligible To Practice Law
10/26/2013 Discipline w/actual suspension 11-O-17682 Not Eligible To Practice Law
11/25/2010 Discipline, probation; no actual susp. 06-O-13980

Administrative Actions

7/2/2013 Suspended, failed to pay Bar membr. fees Not Eligible To Practice Law

In the first, he was hired to represent a client in a dispute with his ex-wife’s sister and brother over her estate. His client lost, left on a trip and gave Culpepper a key to a storage location that purportedly contained documents at issue. When the opposing side served Culpepper with various requests, he asked his client to provide the information, but the client did not do so. Culpepper and the opposing counsel went to the storage area but found nothing.
Culpepper subsequently did not appear at a hearing to compel responses to discovery requests. He did not appear at three hearings and was sanctioned twice. He stipulated that he violated a court order.
Culpepper also was sanctioned $1,000 by the Court of Appeal for not arranging payment of docketing and filing fees. In its order, the court notified Culpepper’s client that he had failed to prosecute the case and advised him to hire a new lawyer. Culpepper stipulated that he did not report the sanction to the bar.
In an estate matter, the court ordered Culpepper to correct technical defects in a declaration he filed, and he continued to act as counsel for two estates without properly documenting his representation of those estates. As the case progressed, Culpepper was given two cashier’s checks totaling $163,074.62, although he was not authorized to received settlement funds for his clients. He deposited the money into another lawyer’s trust account, despite not having the authority to do so. After he withdrew almost $20,000 from the estate funds for legal fees and for two clients, the bank froze the remaining estate funds.
He stipulated that he failed to perform legal services competently, keep clients reasonably informed about developments in their cases and he collected an illegal fee.
In mitigation, Culpepper had severe financial problems, acted in good faith and took remedial steps by voluntarily placing himself under court jurisdiction for a restitution plan.

He seems to have money issues, go figure.

[bullsRlife]

Not sure if it's really that much of a PR hit since he's not married or in any other sort of declared monogamous relationship. Staying single is probably one of the smartest things he's done off the court.

Not only is it not a PR hit, most people with any common sense would probably be surprised if he wasn't a womanizing millionaire in his 20's that has access to the finest woman on this planet.

You are missing my point.

Everyone with half a brain knows that Derrick messes around. No big deal.

However, I dont want to know the details of it - hell my best friend and I dont talk about what we do in our bedrooms. I am not sure how it will play out when details of his "non-exclusive relationship" come out.

Wade had so much drama on his hand - just for fighting custody of his kids. This is in many ways worse.

What??? We all know that he messes around, but have no clue what that entails....OK.

This is normal 20 something year old people stuff. None of this affects my view on Derrick, at all. I didn't read once that he's into butt play or something weird like that. Oh no, he's into 3somes with super hot chicks! Oh no!!!!

[musiqsoulchild]

Not sure if it's really that much of a PR hit since he's not married or in any other sort of declared monogamous relationship. Staying single is probably one of the smartest things he's done off the court.

Look at this as a logical sequence of events.

1) Derrick's lawyers ACKNOWLEDGE that there was a relationship ( implies there is a ton of evidence to prove this no matter how much on the side Derrick tried to have this girl)

2) This information will all be subpeona'd as part of the lawsuit to establish the nature of their relationship

3) TMZ or even a more reputable media outlet will publish those pieces of evidence

4) Rose's relationship with his baby's mother and his family and his teammates suffers (?)

Thats whats important to me. Just listening to some of these accusations makes you feel grimy...can you imagine seeing his text messages to her and vice versa. And god forbid, if there is video evidence that makes it out.

I am not talking about rape/lawsuit - just the sexual nature of their relationship when displayed on TV/ESPN/YAHOO/REALGM. This is a sport watched by kids and families. This sort of thing hurts tangibly.

"Derrick tried to have this girl"

Bruh, sorry to burst your bubble, but they had a 2 year relationship. He already "had" her on numerous occasions.

Him and his baby mama already split up. I'm sure the reason was that he's a womanizer. In fact, that is the reason why. How does this affect anything? She probably already knows about this chick, and him and his baby mama were seen together with their child in Disney World recently. I don't see how this affects anything with her? And about the teammates. I actually think this will bring them closer together, and an us against them mentality. I'm sure each and everyone has his back, and knows this is BS.

It only makes you feel "grimey", because you're trying so hard to take her side, and you're naive to what a 20 something year old athlete is really like behind closed doors. Hell, even when I was 7 or 8, I knew famous, and rich people could get whatever they wanted, and that they probably party harder than the average person.

Poor word choice on my part - my point was that Derrick tried to keep this discreet. He tried his best to keep her on the side. Not his best to "have" her.

Also, I am NOT taking her side.

My position on this is VERY clearly stated in Page 1 of this thread. I sincerely pray and hope that this is something that goes away quickly by throwing a few stacks at the problem.

[dougthonus]

Not only is it not a PR hit, most people with any common sense would probably be surprised if he wasn't a womanizing millionaire in his 20's that has access to the finest woman on this planet.

It doesn't matter if people when they think about it that they think it's more likely true he's a womanizing sleaze than not, without proof they will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well now you know Rose is a womanizing sleaze. So yeah, it's a PR hit because you can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.

Much like I would say there's a 98% chance Walter Payton was on roids and probably a 90% chance that Jordan and LeBron were, the PR hit would be massively worse if any of them were caught red handed.

On top of that (ignoring the rape possibility) we also may learn (through evidence in the battle) that Rose likes to gang bang women which even if consenting probably hurts his image as it's not something lots of other people are doing and generally is still a taboo thing.

This doesn't even begin to get into whether any part of this story is true.

[bullsRlife]

Look at this as a logical sequence of events.

1) Derrick's lawyers ACKNOWLEDGE that there was a relationship ( implies there is a ton of evidence to prove this no matter how much on the side Derrick tried to have this girl)

2) This information will all be subpeona'd as part of the lawsuit to establish the nature of their relationship

3) TMZ or even a more reputable media outlet will publish those pieces of evidence

4) Rose's relationship with his baby's mother and his family and his teammates suffers (?)

Thats whats important to me. Just listening to some of these accusations makes you feel grimy...can you imagine seeing his text messages to her and vice versa. And god forbid, if there is video evidence that makes it out.

I am not talking about rape/lawsuit - just the sexual nature of their relationship when displayed on TV/ESPN/YAHOO/REALGM. This is a sport watched by kids and families. This sort of thing hurts tangibly.

"Derrick tried to have this girl"

Bruh, sorry to burst your bubble, but they had a 2 year relationship. He already "had" her on numerous occasions.

Him and his baby mama already split up. I'm sure the reason was that he's a womanizer. In fact, that is the reason why. How does this affect anything? She probably already knows about this chick, and him and his baby mama were seen together with their child in Disney World recently. I don't see how this affects anything with her? And about the teammates. I actually think this will bring them closer together, and an us against them mentality. I'm sure each and everyone has his back, and knows this is BS.

It only makes you feel "grimey", because you're trying so hard to take her side, and you're naive to what a 20 something year old athlete is really like behind closed doors. Hell, even when I was 7 or 8, I knew famous, and rich people could get whatever they wanted, and that they probably party harder than the average person.

Poor word choice on my part - my point was that Derrick tried to keep this discreet. He tried his best to keep her on the side. Not his best to "have" her.

Also, I am NOT taking her side.

My position on this is VERY clearly stated in Page 1 of this thread. I sincerely pray and hope that this is something that goes away quickly by throwing a few stacks at the problem.

So what? He didn't want his business out on the streets, and???

I don't get what your stance is. You're appalled at the actual details of Derrick's sexual appetite? You think, because there are details of Derrick's personal life, it will paint him in a bad light? NBA fans won't be behind Derrick as much as before?

[princeofpalace]

To be clear, this Thaddeus Culpepper is nothing more than 2nd chair on the suit. The lead attorney has no disciplinary actions against him whatsoever.

[musiqsoulchild]

Not only is it not a PR hit, most people with any common sense would probably be surprised if he wasn't a womanizing millionaire in his 20's that has access to the finest woman on this planet.

It doesn't matter if people when they think about it that they think it's more likely true he's a womanizing sleaze than not, without proof they will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well now you know Rose is a womanizing sleaze. So yeah, it's a PR hit because you can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.

Much like I would say there's a 98% chance Walter Payton was on roids and probably a 90% chance that Jordan and LeBron were, the PR hit would be massively worse if any of them were caught red handed.

On top of that (ignoring the rape possibility) we also may learn (through evidence in the battle) that Rose likes to gang bang women which even if consenting probably hurts his image as it's not something lots of other people are doing and generally is still a taboo thing.

This doesn't even begin to get into whether any part of this story is true.

Thanks Doug - for helping me make my clumsily made point.

[johnnyvann840]

It's a shame that this is the fastest moving thread since the "summer of Melo".

I feel guilty because I can't stop reading it.

[bullsRlife]

Not only is it not a PR hit, most people with any common sense would probably be surprised if he wasn't a womanizing millionaire in his 20's that has access to the finest woman on this planet.

It doesn't matter if people when they think about it that they think it's more likely true he's a womanizing sleaze than not, without proof they will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well now you know Rose is a womanizing sleaze. So yeah, it's a PR hit because you can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.

Much like I would say there's a 98% chance Walter Payton was on roids and probably a 90% chance that Jordan and LeBron were, the PR hit would be massively worse if any of them were caught red handed.

On top of that (ignoring the rape possibility) we also may learn (through evidence in the battle) that Rose likes to gang bang women which even if consenting probably hurts his image as it's not something lots of other people are doing and generally is still a taboo thing.

This doesn't even begin to get into whether any part of this story is true.

But he's a professional athlete that has millions of dollars at his disposal, and people will already assume he's a womanizing "sleaze". It's actually the other way around. People won't give him the benefit of the doubt. And almost every famous pro athlete on this planet is a womanizing "sleaze", and most famous people in general are like this.

And he's innocent until proven guilty, what's your point? If it does come out that he did in fact do these things, then yes, he's a F'd up individual, but what are you even trying to say? This is such an unprovable case, it's a moot point. If there was evidence that he actually did do this, it would've been leaked by now.

You're trying to say most pro athletes get the benefit of the doubt, until evidence shows that they actually do have dirt on them. My point is, it's actually the opposite. Pro athletes don't really get the benefit of the doubt, and most fans couldn't give a single F if he's a womanizer.

Also, you can call him a "sleaze" all you want, but you're not in his shoes, and you're not in his situation. It's easy to call someone a sleaze, when you'd never be in his position, ever. Can you really say you'd act a certain way if you were a young, millionaire with pussy thrown at you every 30 seconds of the day? Gimme a break.

[musiqsoulchild]

"Derrick tried to have this girl"

Bruh, sorry to burst your bubble, but they had a 2 year relationship. He already "had" her on numerous occasions.

Him and his baby mama already split up. I'm sure the reason was that he's a womanizer. In fact, that is the reason why. How does this affect anything? She probably already knows about this chick, and him and his baby mama were seen together with their child in Disney World recently. I don't see how this affects anything with her? And about the teammates. I actually think this will bring them closer together, and an us against them mentality. I'm sure each and everyone has his back, and knows this is BS.

It only makes you feel "grimey", because you're trying so hard to take her side, and you're naive to what a 20 something year old athlete is really like behind closed doors. Hell, even when I was 7 or 8, I knew famous, and rich people could get whatever they wanted, and that they probably party harder than the average person.

Poor word choice on my part - my point was that Derrick tried to keep this discreet. He tried his best to keep her on the side. Not his best to "have" her.

Also, I am NOT taking her side.

My position on this is VERY clearly stated in Page 1 of this thread. I sincerely pray and hope that this is something that goes away quickly by throwing a few stacks at the problem.

So what? He didn't want his business out on the streets, and???

I don't get what your stance is. You're appalled at the actual details of Derrick's sexual appetite? You think, because there are details of Derrick's personal life, it will paint him in a bad light? NBA fans won't be behind Derrick as much as before?

Try to put this under the lens of a 24-7-365 media scrutiny.

This story made CNN's story line's. Its the top story on Yahoo's NBA site.

This isnt JR Smith or Nick Young and their sex life's. This is Derrick Rose - a phenom. This story will get MUCH MORE play just because its Derrick and just because the media loves to see a hero fall - it sells.

Trust me - there is no good that can come of this if its prolonged and drawn out for weeks. Especially in the off-season. There is a FANTASTIC opportunity for NBA news sites to get some hits without a single minute of basketball being played.

[almanbulls]

Sex Therapist.

Thats just WRONG.

Sex therapy is IMPORTANT, important work.

It is especially important in helping to heal people who have been through sexual abuse and are trying to work their way back to normalcy.

Also, I have been to a sex therapist - my wife and I. There is NOTHING kinky going on there - just lots of honest conversation, tears and slowly working back to trust and normalcy.

So your sex therapist didnt do all that kinky stuff that we were reading? Yea, so obviously sounds fake saying you brought your sex therapist friend who went at D-Rose sexually instead of doing her job.

[musiqsoulchild]

It's a shame that this is the fastest moving thread since the "summer of Melo".

I feel guilty because I can't stop reading it.

Your post makes the point I am trying to make --- this is the BIGGEST story of the offseason. And the longer this stays active, the more steam it will gather.

Private details will emerge - each of them knocking down Derrick a peg down. NOT GOOD.

His lawyers need to END this very quickly.

[musiqsoulchild]

Sex Therapist.

Thats just WRONG.

Sex therapy is IMPORTANT, important work.

It is especially important in helping to heal people who have been through sexual abuse and are trying to work their way back to normalcy.

Also, I have been to a sex therapist - my wife and I. There is NOTHING kinky going on there - just lots of honest conversation, tears and slowly working back to trust and normalcy.

So your sex therapist didnt do all that kinky stuff that we were reading? Yea, so obviously sounds fake saying you brought your sex therapist friend who went at D-Rose sexually instead of doing her job.

Huh?

I was responding to Inside Info's post that was painting a picture that having a sex therapist as a friend somehow correlates to having loose sexual boundaries.

NOT.

[dougthonus]

But he's a professional athlete that has millions of dollars at his disposal, and people will already assume he's a womanizing "sleaze". It's actually the other way around. People won't give him the benefit of the doubt. And almost every famous pro athlete on this planet is a womanizing "sleaze", and most famous people in general are like this.

And he's innocent until proven guilty, what's your point? If it does come out that he did in fact do these things, then yes, he's a F'd up individual, but what are you even trying to say? This is such an unprovable case, it's a moot point. If there was evidence that he actually did do this, it would've been leaked by now.

You said it's not a PR hit.

I don't know if you understand what a PR hit is if you say this.

I didn't discuss whether the case was provable, and people do think far worse of someone proven to be a sleaze then someone who's in a class of people who are likely to be sleazy but haven't been proven to be. If you think otherwise you're being quite naive. There's a reason why people keep all of this discreet. It's not because "no one cares".

It absolutely affects their marketability.

I'm not saying it can't be recovered from. I'm not saying it will hurt him for the next five years. I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying it is a hit to his PR right now which is the opposite of what you said. It's something he sure as hell doesn't want out there in the open.

It doesn't mean all of Derrick's fans will hate him or anything else, but i would bet that he will turn off some segment of the fan population if details come out that he's a womanizer and likes to gang bang women with his friends (even if all consenting).

[bullsRlife]

Poor word choice on my part - my point was that Derrick tried to keep this discreet. He tried his best to keep her on the side. Not his best to "have" her.

Also, I am NOT taking her side.

My position on this is VERY clearly stated in Page 1 of this thread. I sincerely pray and hope that this is something that goes away quickly by throwing a few stacks at the problem.

So what? He didn't want his business out on the streets, and???

I don't get what your stance is. You're appalled at the actual details of Derrick's sexual appetite? You think, because there are details of Derrick's personal life, it will paint him in a bad light? NBA fans won't be behind Derrick as much as before?

Try to put this under the lens of a 24-7-365 media scrutiny.

This story made CNN's story line's. Its the top story on Yahoo's NBA site.

This isnt JR Smith or Nick Young and their sex life's. This is Derrick Rose - a phenom. This story will get MUCH MORE play just because its Derrick and just because the media loves to see a hero fall - it sells.

Trust me - there is no good that can come of this if its prolonged and drawn out for weeks. Especially in the off-season. There is a FANTASTIC opportunity for NBA news sites to get some hits without a single minute of basketball being played.

So? As long as he doesn't get sent to prison, and as long as he isn't guilty of these allegations, who cares?

[Shill]

Not only is it not a PR hit, most people with any common sense would probably be surprised if he wasn't a womanizing millionaire in his 20's that has access to the finest woman on this planet.

It doesn't matter if people when they think about it that they think it's more likely true he's a womanizing sleaze than not, without proof they will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well now you know Rose is a womanizing sleaze. So yeah, it's a PR hit because you can no longer give him the benefit of the doubt.

Much like I would say there's a 98% chance Walter Payton was on roids and probably a 90% chance that Jordan and LeBron were, the PR hit would be massively worse if any of them were caught red handed.

On top of that (ignoring the rape possibility) we also may learn (through evidence in the battle) that Rose likes to gang bang women which even if consenting probably hurts his image as it's not something lots of other people are doing and generally is still a taboo thing.

This doesn't even begin to get into whether any part of this story is true.

It's a semantical debate, but are you a "womanizing sleaze" if you have consensual sex when you're not in a relationship?


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[Polynice4Pippen]

One part of the story is already true - that Derrick and his attorney's acknowledge that they were in a non-exclusive relationship for a period of time.

This means that Derrick was having sexual relations with her - while also doing so with other partners AND also his baby mama.

There is no denying that. This itself is a loss of face for Derrick.

There are a 100 different ways this could have played out OR this could have been fabricated. But the fact that the lawyers have come out OPENLY and said "Yes, they screwed - several times" tells you that there is evidence of a relationship.

If there is a substantial amount of it - then its pretty easy to weave a story (for either the plaintiff or the accused).

Not sure if it's really that much of a PR hit since he's not married or in any other sort of declared monogamous relationship. Staying single is probably one of the smartest things he's done off the court.

Look at this as a logical sequence of events.

1) Derrick's lawyers ACKNOWLEDGE that there was a relationship ( implies there is a ton of evidence to prove this, no matter how discreet Derrick tried to keep this)

2) This information will all be subpeona'd as part of the lawsuit to establish the nature of their relationship

3) TMZ or even a more reputable media outlet will publish those pieces of evidence

4) Rose's relationship with his baby's mother and his family and his teammates suffers (?)

Thats whats important to me. Just listening to some of these accusations makes you feel grimy...can you imagine seeing his text messages to her and vice versa. And god forbid, if there is video evidence that makes it out.

I am not talking about rape/lawsuit - just the sexual nature of their relationship when displayed on TV/ESPN/YAHOO/REALGM. This is a sport watched by kids and families. This sort of thing hurts tangibly.

The fact that Derrick Rose has a sex life is going to tangibly hurt his career? Yeah, maybe in 1963. Kobe Bryant is doing just fine even with how graphic those accounts were of his possible rape in Colorado.