OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[musiqsoulchild]

In order for this to be a PR hit, people would have had to not assume he's like this. My point was, people already assume he's like this. If you assume someone is like that, why in the hell would it surprise you, or make you feel different about said person?.

Because while one could assume he's like this. Most people don't think about assuming anything. Most don't even have the thought enter their mind. Until it's put out there such as this. I along with i'm sure a ton of other people never had thoughts about Kobe's life outside of basketball, until... And 10+ years later rape jokes STILL happen. Does it effect someone like yourself, or even myself? No, because i'm not in a life position to over idolize a professional athlete. Does it effect what some parents of children who idolize D-Rose will think? Almost assuredly. I have no clue what kind of actual monetary value the PR hit will result in. But even if this suit goes nowhere his rep won't stay the same. People don't need to analyze all of this rationally after the fact. Rational thought about a professional athletes personal life doesn't drive sales, and the reality is that there will be people out there who are turned off by knowing these details when they never had the thought cross their mind before.

100% agree.

[bullsRlife]

Two things:

1. Hopefully this drives Derrick into an against the world mentality and he tears it up this year.

2. A lot of what is written in the complaint, especially the parts about the "sex therapist", read like straight up penthouse forum.

Remember Kobe's historic year the season of the rape allegations? Hopefully Rose has the same fire under his ass, and he takes his anger out on the court.

[bullsRlife]

In order for this to be a PR hit, people would have had to not assume he's like this. My point was, people already assume he's like this. If you assume someone is like that, why in the hell would it surprise you, or make you feel different about said person?.

Because while one could assume he's like this. Most people don't think about assuming anything. Most don't even have the thought enter their mind. Until it's put out there such as this. I along with i'm sure a ton of other people never had thoughts about Kobe's life outside of basketball, until... And 10+ years later rape jokes STILL happen. Does it effect someone like yourself, or even myself? No, because i'm not in a life position to over idolize a professional athlete. Does it effect what some parents of children who idolize D-Rose will think? Almost assuredly. I have no clue what kind of actual monetary value the PR hit will result in. But even if this suit goes nowhere his rep won't stay the same. People don't need to analyze all of this rationally after the fact. Rational thought about a professional athletes personal life doesn't drive sales, and the reality is that there will be people out there who are turned off by knowing these details when they never had the thought cross their mind before.

My point is, most grown adults already assume pro athletes are like that. Even most kids know pro athletes are like this.

And when you say "most", who are you talking about? People that live under rocks?

[Fast Dont Fib]

My point is, most grown adults already assume pro athletes are like that. Even most kids know pro athletes are like this.

And when you say "most", who are you talking about? People that live under rocks?

By "most" i am talking about the casual world. Not the people such as those on this forum who have taken an added interest to care about analyzing things like this. There is a portion of worldwide basketball fans who relatively, do "live under rocks". My point is that i think there is a not insignificant amount of fans or potential fans who really, truly would not have thought to care about his personal life. Now that it's out there, they have no choice but to have it cross their brain and some will make a choice about how they regard him when they never had to before. And that in and of itself effects his PR atleast slightly.

[bullsRlife]

My point is, most grown adults already assume pro athletes are like that. Even most kids know pro athletes are like this.

And when you say "most", who are you talking about? People that live under rocks?

By "most" i am talking about the casual world. Not the people such as those on this forum who have taken an added interest to care about analyzing things like this. There is a portion of worldwide basketball fans who relatively, do "live under rocks". My point is that i think there is a not insignificant amount of fans or potential fans who really, truly would not have thought to care about his personal life. Now that it's out there, they have no choice but to have it cross their brain and some will make a choice about how they regard him when they never had to before. And that in and of itself effects his PR atleast slightly.

That's who I'm talking about as well. Most grown adults would assume a 20 something guy from the inner city with millions of dollars would be a womanizer. Hell, just look at the how young black men are portrayed in the media.

It doesn't take a hardcore fan to think these things. You see some tall, young, and rich guy on TV, you automatically assume he has like 4 girlfriends, and tons of chicks chasing him 24/7. Why would you think anything else? And an athlete to boot. C'mon man, how can you be so naive, and think "most" people don't assume he's a player?

[musiqsoulchild]

My point is, most grown adults already assume pro athletes are like that. Even most kids know pro athletes are like this.

And when you say "most", who are you talking about? People that live under rocks?

By "most" i am talking about the casual world. Not the people such as those on this forum who have taken an added interest to care about analyzing things like this. There is a portion of worldwide basketball fans who relatively, do "live under rocks". My point is that i think there is a not insignificant amount of fans or potential fans who really, truly would not have thought to care about his personal life. Now that it's out there, they have no choice but to have it cross their brain and some will make a choice about how they regard him when they never had to before. And that in and of itself effects his PR atleast slightly.

That's who I'm talking about as well. Most grown adults would assume a 20 something guy from the inner city with millions of dollars would be a womanizer. Hell, just look at the how young black men are portrayed in the media.

It doesn't take a hardcore fan to think these things. You see some tall, young, and rich guy on TV, you automatically assume he has like 4 girlfriends, and tons of chicks chasing him 24/7. Why would you think anything else? And an athlete to boot. C'mon man, how can you be so naive, and think "most" people don't assume he's a player?

Its one thing to know Kim K was Ray J's piece.

Its a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING to see them do it and then have Ray J's voice imprinted in your life forever.

Everyone knows to some degree or another that young people with lots of money are having lots of sexual fun. However, no one wants that information shoved into their faces.

[DRoseCantStop]

Two things:

1. Hopefully this drives Derrick into an against the world mentality and he tears it up this year.

2. A lot of what is written in the complaint, especially the parts about the "sex therapist", read like straight up penthouse forum.

Remember Kobe's historic year the season of the rape allegations? Hopefully Rose has the same fire under his ass, and he takes his anger out on the court.

Career high 70 point game coming this season.

[Fast Dont Fib]

There are already people in here who are saying they don't like to know this side of the coin. It doesn't matter whether it's right, or wrong, or rational for them to care about knowing this information. And i can't think of any star athlete that has thrived more off of the assumption that he was different from the rest of the stars. He was sold as the humble, good kid. It's irrelevant whether people should have known or assumed differently. This isn't the image that those who have paid him massive amounts of money want out there. Not that there's any true silver lining in any of this but he is probably lucky this came out now, and not as he was just starting to blow up. He would have still gotten his money from the Bulls but i'd have to suspect it would have put a dent into the possible fortunes he's made off the court from other ventures.

[Air Poohdini]

Very bad publicity, Derrick.

[Shill]

Not if they focus on protecting Rose first and then launch the offensive.

Their statements all read more like legalese - not like a heartfelt statement. Rose's biggest asset is his celebrity status - they didnt lean on that. They didnt play on that.

Not one mention of Rose's impact on the community, his fatherhood his being a great son, father, brother, teammate, icon and a good provider for his family.

Nothing positive.

This doesn't even rise to level of a heartfelt defense. I like the dry, direct denial. Flowery language doesn't persuade me.

But you already have Derrick in your avatar. You are not a casual, disinterested fan. You love Rose. Like myself.

Now think about who is reading the article on CNN titled "Bulls star denies rape charges". Only 2 words jump out for the casual sports fan or an everyday news follower - RAPE / Bulls.

They click into the article and read it - and they find a denial with an acknowledgment of a sexual relationship in the past.

Great.

It's not because I'm a Bulls/Rose fan, it's because I'm generally skeptical and a lot empty rhetoric doesn't move the needle.

[Shill]

LOL @ a PR hit. It's 2015, not 1965.

If the rape allegations are deemed baseless, what's left? Rose had sex. The end. He wasn't even in a monogamous relationship like other celebrities who've been caught cheating (Kobe, Tony Parker, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc all the way down to Marv Albert).

The only way Rose takes a significant PR hit is if there's a preponderance of evidence specific to the sexual assault allegations and not the "kinky" consensual stuff and he's found liable.

Anything short of that will be forgotten sooner than later, especially in this day and age of the 24-hour news cycle.

[RememberLu]

LOL @ a PR hit. It's 2015, not 1965.

If the rape allegations are deemed baseless, what's left? Rose had sex. The end. He wasn't even in a monogamous relationship like other celebrities who've been caught cheating (Kobe, Tony Parker, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc all the way down to Marv Albert).

The only way Rose takes a significant PR hit is if there's a preponderance of evidence specific to the sexual assault allegations and not the "kinky" consensual stuff and he's found liable.

Anything short of that will be forgotten sooner than later, especially in this day and age of the 24-hour news cycle.

negative. You got people still bringing up the Kobe rapist stuff. You got people still bringing up Rose's test scores.

haters don't forget

[MrSparkle]

These are serious charges and of course I sympathize with a victim of this kind of crime... investigate it... especially if there's a pattern of darker behavior that's been hidden by Rose's people (ala Cosby).

I'll say this -- the Hollywood/celebrity party circuit has a whole lot of ****ed up stuff happen, and a lot of these girls are aware what they're getting themselves into when they make it into a circle. Cocaine + other stimulants, roofies/sedatives, and tons of booze and sex are common-place.

I hope Rose didn't actually partake in what happened, but sounds like something DID happened, with his entourage at the least. Or maybe she's just trying to desperately get back at him for dumping her at some point.

I understand it can be traumatizing, but in today's age of transparency/social media, at what point do you not confide to anybody that you got raped by a bunch of guys in your own home while barely conscious? Maybe she felt so ashamed, but man - this didn't happen after the first date. Had to be some kind of a build-up, and there had to have been more dirt (if any of these allegations are true), and as such, there had to be more witnesses to the situation. I'm just bewildered it took her 2 years to come out and bring this up.

Then again, 2 years isn't long when compared to the Cosby stories. But again, that was a different time. Social media might be very annoying at times, but it is an amazing tool for getting transparent help to cope with trauma, which wasn't really available 20+ years ago.

[Keller61]

There are already people in here who are saying they don't like to know this side of the coin. It doesn't matter whether it's right, or wrong, or rational for them to care about knowing this information. And i can't think of any star athlete that has thrived more off of the assumption that he was different from the rest of the stars. He was sold as the humble, good kid. It's irrelevant whether people should have known or assumed differently. This isn't the image that those who have paid him massive amounts of money want out there. Not that there's any true silver lining in any of this but he is probably lucky this came out now, and not as he was just starting to blow up. He would have still gotten his money from the Bulls but i'd have to suspect it would have put a dent into the possible fortunes he's made off the court from other ventures.

I don't think that having an adventurous sex life (and I'm not sure that having an occasional threesome is all that adventurous by superstar standards) precludes him from being a humble, good kid. Assuming he did in fact do nothing criminal.

[Shill]

LOL @ a PR hit. It's 2015, not 1965.

If the rape allegations are deemed baseless, what's left? Rose had sex. The end. He wasn't even in a monogamous relationship like other celebrities who've been caught cheating (Kobe, Tony Parker, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc all the way down to Marv Albert).

The only way Rose takes a significant PR hit is if there's a preponderance of evidence specific to the sexual assault allegations and not the "kinky" consensual stuff and he's found liable.

Anything short of that will be forgotten sooner than later, especially in this day and age of the 24-hour news cycle.

negative. You got people still bringing up the Kobe rapist stuff. You got people still bringing up Rose's test scores.

haters don't forget

And?

You still got people bringing up Kim Kardashian's sex tape, yet her popularity, bank account, and mainstream marketability continue to grow.

There will always be haters who hold onto stuff. They don't represent the majority.

[HomoSapien]

Obviously, none of us know what happened here. In the interest of all parties involved, I sure hope it's all some stupid lie. That said, I've seen some really odd posts in this thread.

It needs to be discussed why? Have charges been filed? Do you have any idea how often guys get accused of rape, and didn't actually rape anyone?

Uh, yes. When the former MVP of your team is being accused of a major crime, it's absolutely discussion-worthy.

She waited to years to bring a civil suit?

Yeah, I'm calling shenanigans on this.

It's pretty common for rape victims to report the rape years later, due to feelings of guilt, shame, etc.

His son was 9 months old, and he was rehabbing back from a second ACL tear. He was still engaged. When did he have time for this again?

Seriously? A lack of free time is your reason for why someone couldn't rape someone else? You can make time for anything. This is truly bizarre reasoning.

My personal opinion is that actual rape is worse than murder

WHAT?!

[Shill]

It's pretty common for rape victims to report the rape years later, due to feelings of guilt, shame, etc.

Right, except her first course of action was to bring a law suit, not report the crime.

And it seems as though she tried to sue previously with other attorneys, but they didn't take the case.

As I've said in this thread, this isn't dispositive of anything, but it raises my skepticism.

[mj234eva]

This is my point - I would go on the attack while maintaing a superb defense of my character.

Doing so, for some might actually have the opposite intending effect.

Not if they focus on protecting Rose first and then launch the offensive.

Their statements all read more like legalese - not like a heartfelt statement. Rose's biggest asset is his celebrity status - they didnt lean on that. They didnt play on that.

Not one mention of Rose's positive impact on the community, his fatherhood, his being a great son, father, brother, teammate, icon and a good provider for his family.

Nothing positive.

Where is the human element? The lawyers need to set that up first - and then concede that there was a relationship. Not just give the advantage away with their first comments.

Hear me out.

In the report, her lawyers really try to paint her as this real naive, innocent type. The "she never gave head" "never fingered herself" to me reads as complete and utter crap. And it makes me believe her less.

I feel if Rose did it the way you're suggesting, it would (at least for me), make it seem like there is actually something that might have been done "wrong."

Bringing up the fact that he's a great son/father/brother/teammate/icon, is totally not relevant to the actual accusations for me. So my thought if that's the way they stated it would be to wonder, why there is a need. He could be all those things, and still have assaulted to her!

Get what I mean?

[musiqsoulchild]

You still got people bringing up Kim Kardashian's sex tape, yet her popularity, bank account, and mainstream marketability continue to grow.

There will always be haters who hold onto stuff. They don't represent the majority.

I am not a hater - I am the one who brought up the Kim Kardhashian sex tape to make a completely different point to the one that you are making.

That people dont want to know about other people's sexual lives in the context of a rape lawsuit and allegations of drugs and gangbangs.

People are curious as a whole - and love reality shows and all of that stuff - but I dont want Derrick's life relegated to that level. It may make him more money and more marketable in OTHER areas of the economy. But it sure as **** doesnt make him a better basketball player.

Kinda like how Lamar Odom and Kris Humphries became more popular celebrities in the non-NBA world after associating themselves with the Kardashians.

World of good it did to their basketball lives.

Lets not forget context here - your argument is that somehow this lawsuit NOT a big deal. It very much is.

[musiqsoulchild]

Doing so, for some might actually have the opposite intending effect.

Not if they focus on protecting Rose first and then launch the offensive.

Their statements all read more like legalese - not like a heartfelt statement. Rose's biggest asset is his celebrity status - they didnt lean on that. They didnt play on that.

Not one mention of Rose's positive impact on the community, his fatherhood, his being a great son, father, brother, teammate, icon and a good provider for his family.

Nothing positive.

Where is the human element? The lawyers need to set that up first - and then concede that there was a relationship. Not just give the advantage away with their first comments.

Hear me out.

In the report, her lawyers really try to paint her as this real naive, innocent type. The "she never gave head" "never fingered herself" to me reads as complete and utter crap. And it makes me believe her less.

I feel if Rose did it the way you're suggesting, it would (at least for me), make it seem like there is actually something that might have been done "wrong."

Bringing up the fact that he's a great son/father/brother/teammate/icon, is totally not relevant to the actual accusations for me. So my thought if that's the way they stated it would be to wonder, why there is a need. He could be all those things, and still have assaulted to her!

Get what I mean?

Hear you loud and clear. I just dont think thats the right approach in protecting Derrick's image.