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Post#2101 » by mojo13 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:21 pm

Patman wrote:I don't see a need for Sacre in this tourney. I get that he's a different type of big than Bennett/Nicholson/Olynyk/Powell, but I don't think we'll need him at all. None of the other Americas teams will have frontlines that are any bigger than ours. Brazil won't have Splitter and Nene. The best big we have to worry about is Scola, and he's more a crafty than physical player that would just school Sacre.

Sacre will be more important next year when we have to deal with the likes of Cousins/Gasols/Pek/Mozgov/Bogut/Splitter/Gobert/JV.

I'd rather keep Ejim, who can D up SF's better than Doornekamp and Stauskas. He can also guard small-ball 4's better than any of our other bigs.


I cant say I disagree at this point. Ejim is playing pretty well. Sacre doesn't seem to be doing much. Still - with a healthy KO, I am not sure there are many minutes for Ejim (unless he replaces Doornekamp). Sacre can still fill a role providing some "beef" for 5 minutes a game.

My biggest concern right now is Brady's eye and Stauskas. I take back any kind words I said about Stauskas before yesterdays game. He looked really bad against PR.
Not only getting schooled by 38 year old Larry Ayuso but his shot is way, way off. Those three wide open looks at the start of the game were not even close. No surprise Scrubb had to play SG in the 4th - I was somewhat relieved not to see Stauskas out there at that point.

I really hope he gets it together, as mentioned the key guards are really struggling on offense. Thank goodness all our forwards have range.
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Post#2102 » by Potential » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:22 pm

Potential wrote:When's the first game?

August 31st

Will be on TSN
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Post#2103 » by raptors2019 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:51 pm

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Post#2104 » by bokbok » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:24 pm

Samurai_Raps wrote:I think this shows the lengths to which the programs has risen. We have just won 4 games in a row, won the tourney, and I don't think we played particularly well or tight.


plus this isn't Canada's best roster, no Olynyk or Thompson.
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Post#2105 » by jonny three time » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:32 pm

bokbok wrote:
Samurai_Raps wrote:I think this shows the lengths to which the programs has risen. We have just won 4 games in a row, won the tourney, and I don't think we played particularly well or tight.


plus this isn't Canada's best roster, no Olynyk or Thompson.


Also no Ennis or Murray. If most of the minutes going to Stauskas, Scrubb and Heslip could go to Ennis and Murray, our guard play would elevate big time too. We basically won the tuto Marchand with 4 of our best 10 man rotation not being there.
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Post#2106 » by vi3t » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:46 pm

Potential wrote:
Potential wrote:When's the first game?

August 31st

Will be on TSN

you quoted yourself :D our first game is actually Sept 1 against Arg
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Post#2107 » by Suneel Joshi » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:23 am

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Patman wrote:I don't see a need for Sacre in this tourney. I get that he's a different type of big than Bennett/Nicholson/Olynyk/Powell, but I don't think we'll need him at all. None of the other Americas teams will have frontlines that are any bigger than ours. Brazil won't have Splitter and Nene. The best big we have to worry about is Scola, and he's more a crafty than physical player that would just school Sacre.

Sacre will be more important next year when we have to deal with the likes of Cousins/Gasols/Pek/Mozgov/Bogut/Splitter/Gobert/JV.

I'd rather keep Ejim, who can D up SF's better than Doornekamp and Stauskas. He can also guard small-ball 4's better than any of our other bigs.


I cant say I disagree at this point. Ejim is playing pretty well. Sacre doesn't seem to be doing much. Still - with a healthy KO, I am not sure there are many minutes for Ejim (unless he replaces Doornekamp). Sacre can still fill a role providing some "beef" for 5 minutes a game.

My biggest concern right now is Brady's eye and Stauskas. I take back any kind words I said about Stauskas before yesterdays game. He looked really bad against PR.
Not only getting schooled by 38 year old Larry Ayuso but his shot is way, way off. Those three wide open looks at the start of the game were not even close. No surprise Scrubb had to play SG in the 4th - I was somewhat relieved not to see Stauskas out there at that point..


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Post#2108 » by Potential » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:17 am

Potential wrote:
Potential wrote:When's the first game?

August 31st

Will be on TSN


Actually it's on September 1st vs Argentina lol
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Post#2109 » by SharoneWright » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:46 am

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Coverage runs Aug. 31 – Sept. 12 on TSN, beginning with the tournament opener featuring Cuba vs. Venezuela on Monday, Aug. 31 at 12:55 p.m. ET on TSN2. Canada’s preliminary round games are as follows (see below for complete broadcast schedule):

Canada Argentina – Tuesday, Sept. 1 at 3 p.m. ET on TSN4 and TSN5
Cuba Canada – Wednesday, Sept. 2 at 3 p.m. ET on TSN4 and TSN5
Canada Venezuela – Thursday, Sept. 3 at 6:55 p.m. ET on TSN4
Puerto Rico Canada – Friday, Sept. 4 at 6:55 p.m. ET on TSN4 and TSN5

Play-by-play commentating duties will be shared by Rod Black and Dan Shulman, alongside analyst Leo Rautins, with Jack Armstrong contributing analysis live from the TSN Studio.

http://www.basketball.ca/en/news-article/tsn-announces-fiba-americas-broadcast-schedule
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Post#2110 » by SharoneWright » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:50 am

Check out the player profile/roster page for the Tuto,,,, all in perfect alphabetical order, with Olivier Hanlan tacked on like a loose appendage there at the end. :nonono:

http://www.basketball.ca/en/team_programs/mens-team
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Post#2111 » by Macho » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:15 am

Wow TSN going all out for this,
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Post#2112 » by Mattd97 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:30 pm

SharoneWright wrote:Image
Coverage runs Aug. 31 – Sept. 12 on TSN, beginning with the tournament opener featuring Cuba vs. Venezuela on Monday, Aug. 31 at 12:55 p.m. ET on TSN2. Canada’s preliminary round games are as follows (see below for complete broadcast schedule):

Canada Argentina – Tuesday, Sept. 1 at 3 p.m. ET on TSN4 and TSN5
Cuba Canada – Wednesday, Sept. 2 at 3 p.m. ET on TSN4 and TSN5
Canada Venezuela – Thursday, Sept. 3 at 6:55 p.m. ET on TSN4
Puerto Rico Canada – Friday, Sept. 4 at 6:55 p.m. ET on TSN4 and TSN5

Play-by-play commentating duties will be shared by Rod Black and Dan Shulman, alongside analyst Leo Rautins, with Jack Armstrong contributing analysis live from the TSN Studio.

http://www.basketball.ca/en/news-article/tsn-announces-fiba-americas-broadcast-schedule


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Post#2113 » by Indiana Jones » Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:55 pm

SharoneWright wrote:Check out the player profile/roster page for the Tuto,,,, all in perfect alphabetical order, with Olivier Hanlan tacked on like an loose appendage there at the end. :nonono:

http://www.basketball.ca/en/team_programs/mens-team


It's kinda sad given that he's one of the more accomplished Canadian collegiate players ever.
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Post#2114 » by frumble » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:43 pm

bokbok wrote:
Samurai_Raps wrote:I think this shows the lengths to which the programs has risen. We have just won 4 games in a row, won the tourney, and I don't think we played particularly well or tight.


plus this isn't Canada's best roster, no Olynyk or Thompson.


Yes, but in fairness our competitors were missing key players. We had higher participation of our top players than did the other teams at Tuto Marchand, and will have better participation than the other teams at the FIBAs.

SharoneWright wrote:Check out the player profile/roster page for the Tuto,,,, all in perfect alphabetical order, with Olivier Hanlan tacked on like an loose appendage there at the end. :nonono:

http://www.basketball.ca/en/team_programs/mens-team


I hadn't noticed that.

But I still think Hanlan will make the roster. No team would go into a tournament with 10 games in 12 days, and no injury replacements, with only four guards, right? To carry a 6th big (6.5 if you consider that Doornekamp has played plenty of PF in his career)? That would be a ridiculous and unnecessary risk to take.
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Post#2115 » by jonny three time » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:13 pm

I hope they take Hanlan for insurance as well, but it might not be really needed. Let's say a PG got hurt, slide Heslip to backup 1, have Wiggins play mostly at the 2, then have Doornekamp and Ejim take up most of the minutes at the 3.

There's a certain amount of politics that goes into these things. If they like Doornekamp for this tourney, see Ejim as the eventual backup SF replacement for him, and they don't want to cut an NBA player who fills a specialty role (Sacre), Hanlan might be a guy who theyre willing to risk offending. With Ennis, Murray and probably Brooks coming into the fold and Scrubb already being preferred to Hanlan, they might not see him as a long term fit.

For this tournament alone though, it's better to have the 5th guard, just that they might value other guys long term commitment to the program more.
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Post#2116 » by frumble » Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:31 pm

jonny three time wrote:I hope they take Hanlan for insurance as well, but it might not be really needed. Let's say a PG got hurt, slide Heslip to backup 1, have Wiggins play mostly at the 2, then have Doornekamp and Ejim take up most of the minutes at the 3.


That scenario would be a disaster. Heslip has barely played PG in his career, and has not looked good doing it. If he were a viable PG, he would have been used as a PG at Baylor, in summer league, by Canada, or in Europe. The fact that he hasn't is telling.

Similarly, Canada has never used Ejim at the 3, despite the lack of 3 options and the logjam at PF. If they saw him as a viable 3 they would have at least tried him there. The fact that they haven't is telling.

Maybe we get by with 4 guards sharing 2 spots. Maybe no one gets hurt, no one gets into foul trouble, and no one gets tired.

But why take the risk? And for what payoff? To carry a 6th or 7th big who is far less likely to be needed than a 5th guard would be?


jonny three time wrote:There's a certain amount of politics that goes into these things. If they like Doornekamp for this tourney, see Ejim as the eventual backup SF replacement for him, and they don't want to cut an NBA player who fills a specialty role (Sacre), Hanlan might be a guy who theyre willing to risk offending. With Ennis, Murray and probably Brooks coming into the fold and Scrubb already being preferred to Hanlan, they might not see him as a long term fit.

For this tournament alone though, it's better to have the 5th guard, just that they might value other guys long term commitment to the program more.


I definitely agree that there is a lot of politics that goes into this. But if they are thinking long term, we don't want to turn Hanlan away from the program. Qualifying for the 2019 worlds will depend on guys like Hanlan, Pangos, Rautins, etc. - European pros. NBA guys like Joseph, Ennis, Murray, and Stauskas will not be available for qualifying for the 2019 worlds. And qualifying for the 2020 Olympics will depend largely on performance at the 2019 worlds. If anything, good European pros will be more important to the program after 2016 than marginal NBA guys.
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Post#2117 » by arbsn » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:44 pm

frumble wrote:I definitely agree that there is a lot of politics that goes into this. But if they are thinking long term, we don't want to turn Hanlan away from the program. Qualifying for the 2019 worlds will depend on guys like Hanlan, Pangos, Rautins, etc. - European pros. NBA guys like Joseph, Ennis, Murray, and Stauskas will not be available for qualifying for the 2019 worlds. And qualifying for the 2020 Olympics will depend largely on performance at the 2019 worlds. If anything, good European pros will be more important to the program after 2016 than marginal NBA guys.


Why won't the the NBA guys be available for qualifying for the Worlds?
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Post#2118 » by Patman » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:02 pm

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frumble wrote:I definitely agree that there is a lot of politics that goes into this. But if they are thinking long term, we don't want to turn Hanlan away from the program. Qualifying for the 2019 worlds will depend on guys like Hanlan, Pangos, Rautins, etc. - European pros. NBA guys like Joseph, Ennis, Murray, and Stauskas will not be available for qualifying for the 2019 worlds. And qualifying for the 2020 Olympics will depend largely on performance at the 2019 worlds. If anything, good European pros will be more important to the program after 2016 than marginal NBA guys.


Why won't the the NBA guys be available for qualifying for the Worlds?


I think there will be qualifying games played during the NBA regular season and/or playoffs.
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Post#2119 » by frumble » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:09 pm

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Why won't the the NBA guys be available for qualifying for the Worlds?


Because qualifying will be held during six windows:
November 2017
February 2018
June 2018
September 2018
November 2018
February 2019

Five of those windows conflict with NBA season/playoffs.

So we might have the NBA guys available for September 2018, and maybe some guys from teams that didn't make (or go far in) playoffs for June 2018, but I think for November 2017, February 2018, November 2018, and February 2019 we will be reliant on the Euro pros. E.g., a team of something like:
Pangos
Hanlan
Mullings
Heslip
Rautins
Sheppard
Doornekamp
Ashaolu
Birch
Kendall
Bhullar
Bachynski

I am just throwing names out. I have no idea how many of those guys would be interested, especially given that they would know they would likely be replaced by NBA guys for the World Cup if they actually did qualify. So my list above might be a best-case scenario.

And Olympic qualifying in 2020 is based on results from 2019 World Cup, with a last chance tournament in June 2020.

So if we do not qualify for, or do well in, 2019 Worlds, we will have uphill battle to make 2020 Olympics. In that last chance tournament I am not sure how many NBA guys would be released and willing to play, given that it will conflict with end of NBA playoffs, and reluctance of teams and players to commit to two tournaments in same summer (June qualifying and August Olympics). Plus, given the 30 day limit Mojo mentioned, not sure if it would be allowed for NBA guys to compete in June qualifying, August Olympics, and associated training camps.



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Post#2120 » by Patman » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:48 pm

frumble wrote:
arbsn wrote:
Why won't the the NBA guys be available for qualifying for the Worlds?


Because qualifying will be held during six windows:
November 2017
February 2018
June 2018
September 2018
November 2018
February 2019

Five of those windows conflict with NBA season/playoffs.

So we might have the NBA guys available for September 2018, and maybe some guys from teams that didn't make (or go far in) playoffs for June 2018, but I think for November 2017, February 2018, November 2018, and February 2019 we will be reliant on the Euro pros. E.g., a team of something like:
Pangos
Hanlan
Mullings
Heslip
Rautins
Sheppard
Doornekamp
Ashaolu
Birch
Kendall
Bhullar
Bachynski

I am just throwing names out. I have no idea how many of those guys would be interested, especially given that they would know they would likely be replaced by NBA guys for the World Cup if they actually did qualify. So my list above might be a best-case scenario.

And Olympic qualifying in 2020 is based on results from 2019 World Cup, with a last chance tournament in June 2020.

So if we do not qualify for, or do well in, 2019 Worlds, we will have uphill battle to make 2020 Olympics. In that last chance tournament I am not sure how many NBA guys would be released and willing to play, given that it will conflict with end of NBA playoffs, and reluctance of teams and players to commit to two tournaments in same summer (June qualifying and August Olympics). Plus, given the 30 day limit Mojo mentioned, not sure if it would be allowed for NBA guys to compete in June qualifying, August Olympics, and associated training camps.

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/v3_even/calendar2017/schema/_original/New_system.JPG


I'm guessing the team will be a mix of NCAA guys and non-NBA pros. Guys like Murray and XRM will probably be counted on by Canada Basketball.
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