Bradley Beal - Part II

[nuposse04]

Just so I know I'm not in the wrong... BF has an article saying the wiz SHOULD wait until next season because signing Beal to a max now would hinder their ability to sign KD to a max.... even if we max'd Beal now...wouldn't we still have space to offer Durant a max?

Nope. If the Wiz give Beal a maximum extension, it starts NEXT offseason, not this year. So, it would be a max salary based on the new cap, which would be greater than his cap hold by about several million. The Wiz could then re-sign Beal to a contract for something more than the cap hold (up to the max), AFTER signing Durant to a max deal.

We have every incentive in the world to sign him under this cap as oppose to the other one...at least that is what common sense tells me...

In terms of getting a better dollar value on Beal, yes. In terms of being able to also sign a max-salary free agent, maybe not.

So then we're basically at the behest of Beal's monetary desires then? Crap, lol.

[Higga]

I want to see Beal stay healthy a whole year before giving him the max.

[nate33]

So then we're basically at the behest of Beal's monetary desires then? Crap, lol.

Weren't we always?

[nate33]

I want to see Beal stay healthy a whole year before giving him the max.

I assume that's EG's stance too.

We have his RFA rights. There is no reason whatsoever to give him a max contract right now. If Beal wants a commitment from the Wizards that takes injury risk off the table, Beal needs to take less money.

[Higga]

Yeah restricted makes it pretty tough for him to leave. We'll match any reasonable offer and obviously if he has a big season we'll max him up no problem.

I want to see playoff Beal over an 82 game season. 20+ PPG and just taking games over offensively. We get that kinda Beal with Wall who can still improve IMO and we could be poor man's Golden State(not as good as them of course don't have the coach or big man depth but easy 50 wins).

[verbal8]

We have every incentive in the world to sign him under this cap as oppose to the other one...at least that is what common sense tells me...

In terms of getting a better dollar value on Beal, yes. In terms of being able to also sign a max-salary free agent, maybe not.

Unless Beal is willing to sign at his cap hold their isn't much reason for the Wizards to extend him before he hits restricted free agency.

The closest the Wizards could come to compensating for low offer would a 3 year deal with the final a player option. It does put Beal in Free Agency under a higher cap in the middle of this prime, but it isn't worth the money Beal would have to give up.

[dobrojim]

Yeah restricted makes it pretty tough for him to leave. We'll match any reasonable offer and obviously if he has a big season we'll max him up no problem.

I want to see playoff Beal over an 82 game season. 20+ PPG and just taking games over offensively. We get that kinda Beal with Wall who can still improve IMO and we could be poor man's Golden State(not as good as them of course don't have the coach or big man depth but easy 50 wins).

I wanna see 82 (or at least 75) games of lockdown D like he played on Korver.

[DCZards]

Bradley Beal leads NBA players with hopes of making big fourth-year leap

"Another guy entering his pivotal fourth season is Wizards two-guard Bradley Beal. Unlike Kidd-Gilchrist, Washington’s young stud is already an elite shooter, and perhaps on the cusp of his first All-Star berth following a breakout performance in the 2015 playoffs."

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/08/24/nba-rookie-contracts-jimmy-butler-bradley-beal-dion-waiters-bulls-wizards-thunder?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nba

[tontoz]

Beal is not an elite shooter. He is an elite 3 point shooter. He is terrible shooting jumpers inside the arc, which he does way too often.

Glad they are making him play out the season before deciding whether or not to resign him.

[Illmatic12]

ESPN Summer forecast.. First time All-Star for BB?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/imbaelesscuh/status/636958471758348289[/tweet]


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13511077/2015-summer-forecast-most-likely-first-all-stars

[Brapman]

Beal seems like a guy who has never lived up to the expectations, his reputation, and the scouting reports on him. Does youth and injury explain his inconsistent play? Perhaps.

In any event, this is a huge season for him and the Wizards. If he doesn't breakthrough, I can see the Wizards moving on from him, and his star permanently falling. I'm not sure what I expect to happen - whether he explodes or not. The talent is definitely there, but I don't trust the sum of his parts.

[Dat2U]

Beal seems like a guy who has never lived up to the expectations, his reputation, and the scouting reports on him. Does youth and injury explain his inconsistent play? Perhaps.

In any event, this is a huge season for him and the Wizards. If he doesn't breakthrough, I can see the Wizards moving on from him, and his star permanently falling. I'm not sure what I expect to happen - whether he explodes or not. The talent is definitely there, but I don't trust the sum of his parts.

Absolutely.

He just recently turned 22 and came off a great run in the playoffs. He'll also benefit from better spacing as much as Wall will.

[Sluggerface]

I'm going to stop questioning whether or not Beal breaks through this year. I think a 21 game playoff sample size with a career playoff BPM of 4.2 is a decent amount to get a feel for a guy. He was the 4th ranked player in the country coming out of high school, 3rd pick in the draft, Team USA pipeline, etc. Something's gotta give here.

[nate33]

Beal seems like a guy who has never lived up to the expectations, his reputation, and the scouting reports on him. Does youth and injury explain his inconsistent play? Perhaps.

In any event, this is a huge season for him and the Wizards. If he doesn't breakthrough, I can see the Wizards moving on from him, and his star permanently falling. I'm not sure what I expect to happen - whether he explodes or not. The talent is definitely there, but I don't trust the sum of his parts.

There's very little chance that the Wizards "move on" from him. But if he has a lackluster season, it could well mean that nobody extends him a full max offer and he ends up getting paid something more like $12-15M a year instead of $22M a year.

[Higga]

22 is still way too young. Even if he's "lackluster", I wouldn't just give up on him, just means we wouldn't max him out(doubt anyone else would either).

[Brapman]

Give up on him!?!

Of course not. You play him without a second thought and hope he fulfills his all-star potential. I'm just pointing out that he's not been all that yet in his far-too injured career.

[manifested]

Beal seems like a guy who has never lived up to the expectations, his reputation, and the scouting reports on him. Does youth and injury explain his inconsistent play? Perhaps.

In any event, this is a huge season for him and the Wizards. If he doesn't breakthrough, I can see the Wizards moving on from him, and his star permanently falling. I'm not sure what I expect to happen - whether he explodes or not. The talent is definitely there, but I don't trust the sum of his parts.

There's very little chance that the Wizards "move on" from him. But if he has a lackluster season, it could well mean that nobody extends him a full max offer and he ends up getting paid something more like $12-15M a year instead of $22M a year.

I think he'd have to have a pretty disastrous season to be in that $12-15 million range. Let's say he just has another year like last year or the year before. A lot of us may consider that to be lackluster because we've expected him to improve and he hasn't. But I don't think that damages his reputation around the league, which is still very high.

There will be so many teams with huge amounts of cap space next Summer and not enough top players to fill it. Second tier players, especially young ones with stretches of very good ball in playoff games, are going to get a lot of money. If he doesn't get the max, I suspect it'll be pretty close.

[Brapman]

Yeah, I wouldn't base any evaluation on how much he actually gets in contract. Lots of guys are going to get rich this summer.

This, though, IMO, is a huge season for his future as a BB star vs. BB rotation player. He's got to demonstrate that he's an all-star caliber performer, and that requires him being healthy and the second best player on the team. (Wall's your leader, for sure).

[Illmatic12]

There is close to zero chance the Wizards move on from Beal. Is he an MVP superstar? No, but you can't have a roster full of superstars. Beal is a high character young man on/off the court (was nominated for the NBA sportsmanship award, voted on by fellow players), known to be one of the team's hardest workers. As a youngster he's been our leading scorer in 4 playoff series, and looked poised beyond his years. His peers can clearly attest to his talent:

Bradley Beal. He’s a beast, man. He’s one of the better players in our league and to be that young and do the things that he can do, it’s very impressive.
-Joakim Noah (after Beal hung a 20/5/4 avg on Jimmy Butler in his first playoff series, as a 20 year old)

"Bradley Beal’s a superstar in this league,” George claimed after the 102-96 defeat, via Mike Wise of The Washington Post. “He’s on the rise.”

-Paul George, after BB averaged 19/5/5 vs him. Actually Lance guarded Beal Game 1, got roasted into oblivion and Vogel promptly switched PG onto Beal the rest of the series.


Then he avg'd 25/6/5 this year on Demarre Carroll, at age 21 (still what, 4-5 years from his prime?). But there's not much potential there, it's probably best to move on from him. Better to explore some trade options for Terrence Ross or Caldwell-Pope..



Beal's body is still growing and adjusting to the NBA routine, he's had trouble with consistency over the long regular seasons. That's something a lot of young players deal with, it's really not that shocking. Beal was 21yo last season, a guy like Klay Thompson wasn't even any good until his age 23 season. Ray Allen was 21yo as a rookie, his first decent season was age 22.


When the playoffs roll around, Beal has been healthy and displayed the game of a future star. Especially in the Hawks series when Wall went down. He ran the offense, scored in every way possible, played great defense on Korver.. you would think he'd been a perennial All-Star guard for years:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKLYZ_dVQLU[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajDvGnl-ehs[/youtube]

^Question: If your team had a 21yo SG doing that in the playoffs, would you 'move on' from him..? Hmm?? If your team had a historically prolific 3pt shooter for his age ,in the space-and-pace era, you would move on from him?

People forget how young these kids are coming into the league now. Maybe Beal's inconsistencies are NOT due to age/maturity/health, maybe you're right and he's just not any good. But we're gonna find out this year, if Beal doesn't produce that's on him.

[nate33]

Beal seems like a guy who has never lived up to the expectations, his reputation, and the scouting reports on him. Does youth and injury explain his inconsistent play? Perhaps.

In any event, this is a huge season for him and the Wizards. If he doesn't breakthrough, I can see the Wizards moving on from him, and his star permanently falling. I'm not sure what I expect to happen - whether he explodes or not. The talent is definitely there, but I don't trust the sum of his parts.

There's very little chance that the Wizards "move on" from him. But if he has a lackluster season, it could well mean that nobody extends him a full max offer and he ends up getting paid something more like $12-15M a year instead of $22M a year.

I think he'd have to have a pretty disastrous season to be in that $12-15 million range. Let's say he just has another year like last year or the year before. A lot of us may consider that to be lackluster because we've expected him to improve and he hasn't. But I don't think that damages his reputation around the league, which is still very high.

There will be so many teams with huge amounts of cap space next Summer and not enough top players to fill it. Second tier players, especially young ones with stretches of very good ball in playoff games, are going to get a lot of money. If he doesn't get the max, I suspect it'll be pretty close.

I think it's likely that he'll get the max too. But if he shows no improvement whatsoever last year, and he happens to have a playoff outing more in line with his regular season averages, then I think perceptions about him will change dramatically. Regardless of age, you can't have 3 consecutive seasons of no statistical improvement and still have people assume you're on your way to superstardom.

I think Beal has gotten a bit of a "free pass" on his lack of statistical improvement primarily because he ended each of the last two seasons with strong playoff runs which were seen by everyone and remained in our memories throughout each offseason. But ignore those playoff runs, and he really hasn't been that good. It wasn't that long ago that we all were pretty lukewarm on Beal's long term prospects. Go back and look at this thread in March (page 65 or so).