OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[mj234eva]

Yeah I've read it. Some of it seems bizarre and goofy, but I didn't see anything that makes me dismiss the whole account.

That's good for you. I read it as well, and felt the opposite. I suppose others have as well, that's why there's that "vibe" in this thread, I think.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Yeah I've read it. Some of it seems bizarre and goofy, but I didn't see anything that makes me dismiss the whole account.

That's good for you. I read it as well, and felt the opposite. I suppose others have as well, that's why there's that "vibe" in this thread, I think.

The vibe started before the complaint details emerged.

[BoozerRoNo]

In the complaint.



Hilarious that they try to speak for Derrick as to why he ended the relationship.

People can change their minds about messing with someone just like people break up and get back together. Also, she volunteered this information about what Rose said in a text this let's us know she isn't going to hide ALL evidence that might even help Rose. This could tell us how honest she is being especially if they can recover her text and phone records. If she can prove that Ryan Allen called her like she claims these guys weren't done with her Just because Rose text her and said they were.

Well, she alleges that he invited her to his place, a month later. Why? We do not know. Her side is claiming that it was because they planned to drug and rape her.

If she is telling the truth that she was drugged and raped by those three she can come to that conclusion in her complaint because according to her they did drug her there and went to her house and raped her. If she stayed with them after they slipped a drug in her drink what else were those going to do sit there and watch a movie while she's passed out drugged or not at full strengh?

[mj234eva]

Yeah I've read it. Some of it seems bizarre and goofy, but I didn't see anything that makes me dismiss the whole account.

That's good for you. I read it as well, and felt the opposite. I suppose others have as well, that's why there's that "vibe" in this thread, I think.

The vibe started before the complaint details emerged.

The little details that where released seemed a bit far fetched, in my opinion. I suppose others too. Again, if you felt differently, that's good for you.

[johnnyvann840]

People can change their minds about messing with someone just like people break up and get back together. Also, she volunteered this information about what Rose said in a text this let's us know she isn't going to hide ALL evidence that might even help Rose. This could tell us how honest she is being especially if they can recover her text and phone records. If she can prove that Ryan Allen called her like she claims these guys weren't done with her Just because Rose text her and said they were.

Well, she alleges that he invited her to his place, a month later. Why? We do not know. Her side is claiming that it was because they planned to drug and rape her.

If she is telling the truth that she was drugged and raped by those three she can come to that conclusion in her complaint because according to her they did drug her there and went to her house and raped her. If she stayed with them after they slipped a drug in her drink what else were 3 men going to do sit there and watch a movie while she's passed out drugged or not at full strengh?

Really no way possible for her to ever prove they "drugged her".

The one possible bomb that is in the complaint is the alleged phone call from Randall Hampton where he allegedly said.. "sorry, I didn't know they drugged you that night, I thought you wanted it". paraphrasing but that is the gist. This was supposedly heard on speakerphone by her friend or coworker. That could be the biggest problem Derrick could have in his defense if the friend is credible and believable. Even if she's lying and in on the scam. It's one thing when it's he said she said, but what amounts to basically a confession from one of the defendants, and you have another person saying they heard it..it's a problem and a witness to a confession.

But, again, very hard to prove.. It could be Hampton's credibility vs. the co-workers... he could say.. I never said those things,,, she could say... "yes he did, I heard it loud and clear".

Despite all my posts calling BS on this whole thing, that part of it worries me a little. Because, yeah, if there is any truth to any of the drugging and raping, which I still very much doubt....but, if true, They should all go to prison... if not, she should for just as long as they would have.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

That's good for you. I read it as well, and felt the opposite. I suppose others have as well, that's why there's that "vibe" in this thread, I think.

The vibe started before the complaint details emerged.

The little details that where released seemed a bit far fetched, in my opinion. I suppose others too. Again, if you felt differently, that's good for you.

If folks had said the details seemed a little "far fetched" and left it at that, that'd be one thing, but the snap judgments being thrown around here went much, much further --- and that, as I said, was before the complaint was even released. If you don't see it, that's good for you.

[truth18]

I still think there are more legitimate reasons to be wary of this woman's credibility and her representatives' credibility than the actual account. I also feel there is a lot of confusing stuff and oddly phrased language in her account, as well as some strangely inconsistent portions like the "sex therapist" stuff.

But even though I feel that way, I know that evil is often odd, hard to describe accurately, and can sound entirely unbelievably. Personally, I can't discount her based SOLELY on her version of things sounding made up. That sets up a slippery slope for more ignorant people than us to dismiss other rapes that sound a bit "out there".

War would probably also sound "out there" if we described it to some sentient whales or AIs. They might not believe that we destroy ourselves with radiation and tools designed to eject hot metals into other human beings with the highest efficiency possible. Very illogical and crazy sounding concepts.

False accusations are very rare. Thus, I am uncomfortable bringing this woman down unless I can point to even vague "evidence" and "facts". I can do that with other elements of the case, without adding to the culture of denial present in our society.

Perhaps its just a personal thing though, maybe it isn't as big a deal as I think it is. At least on the Bulls forum here, the majority of you are likely not going to take the same attitude for other extreme sounding rape, or strange sounding testimony in general, I know that, but in the world?

A lot of people say Zimmerman did nothing wrong. A lot of people think Brady did something wrong.

Its quite obvious Zimmerman is a crazy person who murdered Trayvon based on his behavior, past and present, and his general personality. Read the case, and its also pretty clear no one should have been shot that day/Zimmerman was lying about some details. But based on the facts, a largely unfair verdict was given.

That doesn't mean he didn't murder someone in cold blood.

The Wells report is a joke and has been refuted by everyone from our own managment/org, to various independent sources that are not Patriots fans and are not affiliated with the club. Even most fans on other forums that hate our team admit the report was extremely faulty.

Yet, Brady has to be out for four games, and we had to pay an insanely large fine. Its all highly possible someone else in the org, Bellichick, someone Brady instructed to illegally alter the balls, some idiot, or even a disgruntled Colts employee may have deflated them. Its possible it was the heat/some sort of bureaucratic mistake.

But we're not going to be able to judge based on what Brady/Zimmerman/Rose/this Woman have to say about the issues. It will come down to real things we can point at. Things like Brady texting guys with the implication he was giving the gifts for "something". Things like Zimmerman's wounds being ruled as "medically insignificant" by the medical examiner during the trial or a witness' account of hearing Martin scream "help" with a subsequent gunshot following.

Things like no criminal charges ever being charged, firing or losing your initial two lawyers. More will come out and is coming out, like text messages/social media stuff, but its complete hearsay regarding the rape/the details of the relationship from her end. It could very well all be true but Rose wasn't the one that raped her. It could all be false.

But more often than not these things are real, and I have to respect them as such. If only for the other women/victims.

#hopefullythatmadesomesense

TLDR:

The vibe started before the complaint details emerged.

The little details that where released seemed a bit far fetched, in my opinion. I suppose others too. Again, if you felt differently, that's good for you.

If folks had said the details seemed a little "far fetched" and left it at that, that'd be one thing, but the snap judgments being thrown around here went much, much further --- and that, as I said, was before the complaint was even released. If you don't see it, that's good for you.

This.

[RedBulls23]

Some of you are being Rose homers like he's going up against the Cavs or something. It's hilarious. Disturbing too but I'm focusing on hilarious.

Have you read the complaint? It focuses on hilarious.

Yeah I've read it. Some of it seems bizarre and goofy, but I didn't see anything that makes me dismiss the whole account.

This story has been out there for, what, 72 hours, and the capes already want this woman to disappear? Relax. It's going to be uncomfortable for a while. If the claims are as baseless as we all hope she'll be gone eventually. But this rush to judgment in support of a guy you don't know from Adam is odd. I'm not talking to you specifically but rather the vibe in this thread.

That's what always happens and partly why many women don't come out right away.

Even with the Bill Cosby people were defending him just because he was Bill Cosby. I remember a group of women I was listening to at work talk about it, and were even saying some mess up stuff in defending Cosby.

[mj234eva]

If she is telling the truth that she was drugged and raped by those three she can come to that conclusion in her complaint because according to her they did drug her there and went to her house and raped her. If she stayed with them after they slipped a drug in her drink what else were those going to do sit there and watch a movie while she's passed out drugged or not at full strengh?

Now explain way why when Rose texted her, he told her to bring a friend. Yet, it seems that they had no interest in assaulting anyone else, but the accused. Would love you hear your theory on that.

[jumpstart]

Its Saturday night, and what are we doing with our time!? Arguing about Derrick Rose. smh

[mj234eva]

If folks had said the details seemed a little "far fetched" and left it at that, that'd be one thing, but the snap judgments being thrown around here went much, much further --- and that, as I said, was before the complaint was even released. If you don't see it, that's good for you.

I can speak for myself, and that's EXACTLY what I said.

[truth18]

Its Saturday night, and what are we doing with our time!? Arguing about Derrick Rose. smh

I'm catching up on work tonight and literally the entire rest of realgm is dead. That late August discussion drought. There is nothing else to discuss.

If folks had said the details seemed a little "far fetched" and left it at that, that'd be one thing, but the snap judgments being thrown around here went much, much further --- and that, as I said, was before the complaint was even released. If you don't see it, that's good for you.

I can speak for myself, and that's EXACTLY what I said.

Word. I think if that needs to be said, it should be said cautiously like you did. Mad props.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

If folks had said the details seemed a little "far fetched" and left it at that, that'd be one thing, but the snap judgments being thrown around here went much, much further --- and that, as I said, was before the complaint was even released. If you don't see it, that's good for you.

I can speak for myself, and that's EXACTLY what I said.

Then you aren't the problem.

[art_barbie]

its very sad to see some of the posts in this thread. It sounds like a few people here hate women. "slut" shaming and blaming women for being young, naive, drunk, or drugged is beyond appalling. Appalling.

Let me share a story. I'm going to spare anyone names because its not necessary. A couple of years ago a friend of mine took me along with her to a birthday party of a local professional athlete. We were early there was like 5 women there and one guy who brought them. I spoke with them briefly because they were the only ones there at the time, I did not ask directly because it wasn't necessary, these other girls were either strippers or escorts...a few more guys showed up with some more girls that did not seem like strippers or escorts...just normal girls-all of them likely 18-22 years old...about 15 minutes had passed. The athlete showed up and went upstairs...some drugs began to get passed around. Molly and Coke. At least 3 rounds of shots went around as well-all of this happening in about 15 minutes I was there.

Then a guy I did not know emerged who began to basically say loudly..."ok girls-tie to start sucking d*** or get the f*** out. My friend and I left immediately. The strippers or escorts began doing exactly that...and the other girls looked very uncomfortable...not sure what they did but I left. I didn't take any of the drugs nor shots so my mind wasn't cloudy. If I had who knows what would have happened to me?

(And yes this complete experience in full detail as well as many other experiences will be in my book that I'm working on)

But my point is, what if your sister ended up at this party? Was already tipsy? then did some molly and coke? And more shots? Her judgement just like anybody's judgement would be piss poor. Incapable of making a decent decision. And very difficult to say no, say anything really. And do you know how easy it is to get to accept and invite to a "famous" persons house for a party? Young, naive girls go to these all the time and some version of this happens all the time. And most of the girls there are down with this. And there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you "want." But some aren't. Some are just there because they get told so and so "likes you," "want to meet you" is having a party and really wants you to to be there. So they show up, get drunk, get offered drugs, and if not offered drugs might get roofy'd instead. And if they dont want sex, they are in almost no state to even say the word "no." Or they might say "no" but not firmly enough because they are high or drunk. These women need to be protected by the law and by the general public.

Think about your sister or daughter put into a situation like this. It happens weekly. I would not be so quick to slut shame these women and act like it is their fault for even being there. If you have a beautiful daughter this can happen to her easily. It is easy to be wooed into meeting wealthy or famous people...I mean, christ, this entire website is loaded with fanboys of the alarming variety...grown men that stand in line to get autographs and such of other men...the worship of other men is kinda scary.

I hope justice prevails whatever this outcome is and I hope whatever punishments that come of any wrong doing are very harsh. Celebrity and wealth worship needs to be curtailed.

[truth18]

its very sad to see some of the posts in this thread. It sounds like a few people here hate women. "slut" shaming and blaming women for being young, naive, drunk, or drugged is beyond appalling. Appalling.

Let me share a story. I'm going to spare anyone names because its not necessary. A couple of years ago a friend of mine took me along with her to a birthday party of a local professional athlete. We were early there was like 5 women there and one guy who brought them. I spoke with them briefly because they were the only ones there at the time, I did not ask directly because it wasn't necessary, these other girls were either strippers or escorts...a few more guys showed up with some more girls that did not seem like strippers or escorts...just normal girls-all of them likely 18-22 years old...about 15 minutes had passed. The athlete showed up and went upstairs...some drugs began to get passed around. Molly and Coke. At least 3 rounds of shots went around as well-all of this happening in about 15 minutes I was there.

Then a guy I did not know emerged who began to basically say loudly..."ok girls-tie to start sucking d*** or get the f*** out. My friend and I left immediately. The strippers or escorts began doing exactly that...and the other girls looked very uncomfortable...not sure what they did but I left. I didn't take any of the drugs nor shots so my mind wasn't cloudy. If I had who knows what would have happened to me?

(And yes this complete experience in full detail as well as many other experiences will be in my book that I'm working on)

But my point is, what if your sister ended up at this party? Was already tipsy? then did some molly and coke? And more shots? Her judgement just like anybody's judgement would be piss poor. Incapable of making a decent decision. And very difficult to say no, say anything really. And do you know how easy it is to get to accept and invite to a "famous" persons house for a party? Young, naive girls go to these all the time and some version of this happens all the time. And most of the girls there are down with this. And there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you "want." But some aren't. Some are just there because they get told so and so "likes you," "want to meet you" is having a party and really wants you to to be there. So they show up, get drunk, get offered drugs, and if not offered drugs might get roofy'd instead. And if they dont want sex, they are in almost no state to even say the word "no." Or they might say "no" but not firmly enough because they are high or drunk. These women need to be protected by the law and by the general public.

Think about your sister or daughter put into a situation like this. It happens weekly. I would not be so quick to slut shame these women and act like it is their fault for even being there. If you have a beautiful daughter this can happen to her easily. It is easy to be wooed into meeting wealthy or famous people...I mean, christ, this entire website is loaded with fanboys of the alarming variety...grown men that stand in line to get autographs and such of other men...the worship of other men is kinda scary.

I hope justice prevails whatever this outcome is and I hope whatever punishments that come of any wrong doing are very harsh. Celebrity and wealth worship needs to be curtailed.

I agree with the bold. But there are also many NOT doing that who should be commended. Way more level heads in this thread than not. If you are going to make an intense statement like that, then quote those people.

As far as the last paragraph goes, what if she is doing the wrong here? She should also receive harsh punishment for being one of the rare people to falsely accuse someone (I say that personally knowing two women who did, and an acquaintance as well). Prison time imo, just like Rose and his friends deserve if they are guilty in any way.

Also, your story has nothing to do with this situation. I have also heard some crazy stuff that is real (my only "indside" info in any sport comes from someone in the Steelers org) about Pittsburgh players and similar stuff, but that doesn't mean this actually happened. Nor does it mean it didn't.

There needs to be significantly more education at the university, high school and middle school levels about rape in our country. There needs to be more readily available resources for underdeveloped areas and their inhabitants. War on Drugs? No thanks, let's have a war on rape and sexual assault.

No one "needs to be protected by the law and the general public". We need to be protected by changing our moral code and cultural attitude towards the issues. The law needs to more efficiently serve a more aware general public.

And yes, worshiping anything without some perspective is bad. So is inherently going against someone because the accuser is female and the defendant is a young, rich, black sports star. Its all sterotyping. Middle is the best place to be until we get decent facts.

[jumpstart]

Is it weird if I'm not watching the Bears in HD, when I have HD?

[truth18]

Is it weird if I'm not watching the Bears in HD, when I have HD?

More weird that you are watching the Bears at all

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Nah, I got nothing against y'all, nice Bowl win over us

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Patriots Universe Tho

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Don't ban me

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Fox should work out really well for you guys. I think he's become an under rated coach. Feel bad for all the hate Cutler has received when your coaches' have been incompetent or wrong for the personnel/luck has been firmly against you. Best of luck this year. Don't think we play each other in 2015, but should be fun whenever we meet up next.

[BoozerRoNo]

If she is telling the truth that she was drugged and raped by those three she can come to that conclusion in her complaint because according to her they did drug her there and went to her house and raped her. If she stayed with them after they slipped a drug in her drink what else were those going to do sit there and watch a movie while she's passed out drugged or not at full strengh?

Now explain way why when Rose texted her, he told her to bring a friend. Yet, it seems that they had no interest in assaulting anyone else, but the accused. Would love you hear your theory on that.

They wanted to have sex with both women. At NO. 33. and 34. Of the complaint Allen screams why are you here then take off your clothes etc.. to C. Allen also says stop talking and more they just didn't drug both women. And since friend C didn't want to have sex they ordered a cab for her to leave so they could have sex with Jane Doe but friend C didn't want to leave her by herself with 3 men because she would have been gang raped at Rose's place.

[mj234eva]

If she is telling the truth that she was drugged and raped by those three she can come to that conclusion in her complaint because according to her they did drug her there and went to her house and raped her. If she stayed with them after they slipped a drug in her drink what else were those going to do sit there and watch a movie while she's passed out drugged or not at full strengh?

Now explain way why when Rose texted her, he told her to bring a friend. Yet, it seems that they had no interest in assaulting anyone else, but the accused. Would love you hear your theory on that.

They wanted to have sex with both women. At NO. 33. and 34. Of the complaint Allen screams why are you here then take off your clothes etc.. to C. Allen also says stop talking and more they just didn't drug both women. And since friend C didn't want to have sex they ordered a cab for her to leave so they could have sex with Jane Doe

Why not? Also, did Allen HAVE to call a cab, as it is alleged he did? Why not the friend call her own cab, since apparently he was being such an a-hole. Seems odd, to me.

friend C didn't want to leave her by herself with 3 men because she would have been gang raped at Rose's place.

But she was okay with leaving her drugged up friend, to get home by herself? As it's stated the friend was dropped off first. Please don't say she wasn't by herself, either..cab driver has no reason to provide any extra help to the drugged accuser. For all the friend knows, the cab just dropped her off, and drove away.

[truth18]

Now explain way why when Rose texted her, he told her to bring a friend. Yet, it seems that they had no interest in assaulting anyone else, but the accused. Would love you hear your theory on that.

They wanted to have sex with both women. At NO. 33. and 34. Of the complaint Allen screams why are you here then take off your clothes etc.. to C. Allen also says stop talking and more they just didn't drug both women. And since friend C didn't want to have sex they ordered a cab for her to leave so they could have sex with Jane Doe

Why not? Also, did Allen HAVE to call a cab, as it is alleged he did? Why not the friend call her own cab, since apparently he was being such an a-hole. Seems odd, to me.

friend C didn't want to leave her by herself with 3 men because she would have been gang raped at Rose's place.

But she was okay with leaving her drugged up friend, to get home by herself? As it's stated the friend was dropped off first. Please don't say she wasn't by herself, either..cab driver has no reason to provide any extra help to the drugged accuser. For all the friend knows, the cab just dropped her off, and drove away.

He said: "if she is telling the truth she can come to that conclusion".

What exactly is wrong with that? He isn't saying, "She is telling the truth, therefore her conclusion makes sense"