German National Football Team Thread (Nationalmannschaft)

Kaiser30 · Post #361 » by **Kaiser30** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:59 pm

Foye wrote:I don't think I will ever find out why Zieler is a better keeper than Leno, Horn, Karius, Fährmann and Trapp according to Löw.

Trapp? Now that's someone I have forgotten a bit because I'm more or less completely set on Neuer, ter Stegen and Leno as our best possible trio. But to be fair, he plays for PSG and in UCL now, so he should definitely be a strong candidate and - as you said - there is no reason Zieler should be nominated instead of one of the others you have mentioned.

cgf · Post #362 » by **cgf** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:37 pm

Reus, Mueller, Kruse, Volland, Schurrle, Bellarabi, Herrmann, Draxler, Sane, Brandt...yeah no amount of injuries should require us to use poldi. He gets brought along exclusively for moral and to interact with fans.

No_20 · Post #363 » by **No_20** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 9:02 pm

The city of Frankfurt will be Polish on Friday.

Polish people live and die for this game.

No_20 · Post #364 » by **No_20** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 5:16 pm

http://tv.dfb.de/video/botschaft-der-mannschaft/12031/

Off course they had to include an East German in the spot.

Det the Threat · Post #365 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 12:08 pm

No_20 wrote:http://tv.dfb.de/video/botschaft-der-mannschaft/12031/

Off course they had to include an East German in the spot.

And the problem with that is?
Or are you just throwing a whole region(and people) under the bus thanks to stereotypes and ignorance?

DD12 · Post #366 » by **DD12** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 3:12 pm

No_20 wrote:The city of Frankfurt will be Polish on Friday.

Polish people live and die for this game.

I thought Germans are used to this because of Turks. It is not the first time Germans play at the "road" in their own house.

cgf · Post #367 » by **cgf** » Thu Sep 3, 2015 3:31 pm

Det the Threat wrote:
No_20 wrote:http://tv.dfb.de/video/botschaft-der-mannschaft/12031/

Off course they had to include an East German in the spot.

And the problem with that is?
Or are you just throwing a whole region(and people) under the bus thanks to stereotypes and ignorance?

I can't fault a hamburger for being jealous of us. 8-)

Kaiser30 · Post #368 » by **Kaiser30** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 8:49 am

Encouraging performance by Jonas Hector yesterday. Also Can had a solid debut.

On another note: Podolski with another meaningless cap getting subbed-in in garbage time because of his polish descent. I just hope he doesn't get 24 more caps because he's simply not worthy of beating Lothar's record. :noway:

Hijinks · Post #369 » by **Hijinks** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 9:45 am

Kaiser30 wrote:Encouraging performance by Jonas Hector yesterday. Also Can had a solid debut.

On another note: Podolski with another meaningless cap getting subbed-in in garbage time because of his polish descent. I just hope he doesn't get 24 more caps because he's simply not worthy of beating Lothar's record.

at this point, he is the human victory cigar. even if he gets that record, nobody will lift him on loddars level. and that record would've to have an asterisk, because of the inflation of games.

No_20 · Post #370 » by **No_20** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 11:15 am

Kaiser30 wrote:Encouraging performance by Jonas Hector yesterday. Also Can had a solid debut.

On another note: Podolski with another meaningless cap getting subbed-in in garbage time because of his polish descent. I just hope he doesn't get 24 more caps because he's simply not worthy of beating Lothar's record.

Podolski is a way better human being than Matthäus though.

Kaiser30 · Post #371 » by **Kaiser30** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 11:39 am

No_20 wrote:Podolski is a way better human being than Matthäus though.

I don't care because getting caps and even playing a record amount of caps should be an indicator of a player's impact and there is no denying that Lothar was a world class and durable player while Podolski has been a marginal player for years now and even at his peak he was nowhere near as good as Lothar.

As I said after nominations, I was fine with him getting a spot on the team again, but he doesn't deserve any playing time over a guy like Volland and especially not getting subbed-in as a mascot.

Hijinks · Post #372 » by **Hijinks** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 1:50 pm

Kaiser30 wrote:
No_20 wrote:Podolski is a way better human being than Matthäus though.

I don't care because getting caps and even playing a record amount of caps should be an indicator of a player's impact and there is no denying that Lothar was a world class and durable player while Podolski has been a marginal player for years now and even at his peak he was nowhere near as good as Lothar.

As I said after nominations, I was fine with him getting a spot on the team again, but he doesn't deserve any playing time over a guy like Volland and especially not getting subbed-in as a mascot.

I'd argue Loddar was better in his last couple of seasons, than poldi was in his peak.

cgf · Post #373 » by **cgf** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 3:50 pm

Meh, **** Matthaus. He's an utter doucher and gets heavily over-rated just because he played at a high level forever. He's like the Brett Favre of German midfielders. Effe and Sammer both hit much higher highs.

Det the Threat · Post #374 » by **Det the Threat** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 5:27 pm

The funniest thing about Matthäus is him always talking about himself in the 3rd person.

Though, he's also really dumb and in bed with Bild, which is why he'll never land a gig with a german team in the 1st or 2nd Bundesliga.

Kaiser30 · Post #375 » by **Kaiser30** » Sun Sep 6, 2015 10:20 am

cgf wrote:Meh, **** Matthaus. He's an utter doucher and gets heavily over-rated just because he played at a high level forever. He's like the Brett Favre of German midfielders. Effe and Sammer both hit much higher highs.

Uh, I have a completely different feeling on that topic. In my opinion, Lothar as a player is now pretty much underrated and often gets disrespected because of how he has handled his life off the pitch. As Det already mentioned, he won't get a high-profile job as a coach or a different position in a club because of that. I like him as an expert on Sky though and I think it is an ideal situation for him. He obviously has sources and knowledge about the game and business but there are also other guys involved who are more articulate, so it is a free-flowing conversation and not a one-man show like Scholl, Kahn and Lehmann are doing for NT games.

The recognition of Sammer's career was unfortunately hurt by his heavy injury, because I think he could have been as durable as Lothar otherwise. But I would say it did turn out pretty well for him because other than Lothar, he has had an impressive second career so far not only winning the Bundesliga as the youngest coach in history, but also having an influence on Germany winning the world cup and Bayern becoming a top 3 team.

In case of Effe, I mostly remember him because of his incredible leadership, not because he was regularly the best player on the pitch. So I wouldn't agree that his career was on a level of Matthäus and Sammer which has also to do with the fact that his NT career was pretty much non-existent. Moreover, both Matthäus and Sammer were awarded with individual international trophies.

Det the Threat · Post #376 » by **Det the Threat** » Sun Sep 6, 2015 12:41 pm

Kaiser30 wrote:Uh, I have a completely different feeling on that topic. In my opinion, Lothar as a player is now pretty much underrated and often gets disrespected because of how he has handled his life off the pitch. As Det already mentioned, he won't get a high-profile job as a coach or a different position in a club because of that. I like him as an expert on Sky though and I think it is an ideal situation for him. He obviously has sources and knowledge about the game and business but there are also other guys involved who are more articulate, so it is a free-flowing conversation and not a one-man show like Scholl, Kahn and Lehmann are doing for NT games.

I'm not so sure about that.
Wasn't he the guy talking about a player's wife already house hunting even though she wasn't ever in that city etc.?
I also don't know much abut Lothar the business men but it's alright with him being on that Sky Saturday pannel.

Kaiser30 wrote:In case of Effe, I mostly remember him because of his incredible leadership, not because he was regularly the best player on the pitch. So I wouldn't agree that his career was on a level of Matthäus and Sammer which has also to do with the fact that his NT career was pretty much non-existent. Moreover, both Matthäus and Sammer were awarded with individual international trophies.

Effenberg was absolute World Class, especially thanks to being a huge leader.
He was always going forward, taking the blame(so others could just do their thing) and leading the team when things looked bad.
On top of it, he was a great central midfielder who could easily dictate the game from his position and always took over(even scoring some goals) if needed.

Kaiser30 · Post #377 » by **Kaiser30** » Sun Sep 6, 2015 2:08 pm

Det the Threat wrote:I'm not so sure about that.
Wasn't he the guy talking about a player's wife already house hunting even though she wasn't ever in that city etc.?
I also don't know much abut Lothar the business men but it's alright with him being on that Sky Saturday pannel.

I was referring to the rumours about Lewy joining Bayern. Lothar called it a done deal at an early stage and despite Bayern heavily denying it, he never backed off and in the end, he was right. You could call it luck, but I give him credit for that because others simply avoid making similar statements. As a viewer, I want experts to share inside information and to break news.

Det the Threat wrote:Effenberg was absolute World Class, especially thanks to being a huge leader.
He was always going forward, taking the blame(so others could just do their thing) and leading the team when things looked bad.
On top of it, he was a great central midfielder who could easily dictate the game from his position and always took over(even scoring some goals) if needed.

Just to make it clear, I highly respect Effe, he was a top class player and even better leader. But in my opinion, his level of play was not up to the level of Matthäus and Sammer. Although possibly only slightly lower.

cgf · Post #378 » by **cgf** » Sun Sep 6, 2015 5:58 pm

You wanna know who else knew Lewy was joining Bayern when Matthaus "called it"? Each of us here. That was like No20 "calling" de Bruyne's move to Citeh. He's the one who's top level gets over-rated because of the length of his career. For peak performance Sammer and Effe were higher.

And you under-rate Effenberg. He was absolutely spectacular on the pitch as well as as a leader. A lot of people do because of his refusal to bury the hatchet with the DFB after the flicking off the fans incident. Now I'm gunna go watch some youtube videos of Effe dropping 30 yard passes with pinpoint precision.

Edit:
So sexy
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxDdeHYR4A4[/youtube]

Kaiser30 · Post #379 » by **Kaiser30** » Sun Sep 6, 2015 7:53 pm

cgf wrote:You wanna know who else knew Lewy was joining Bayern when Matthaus "called it"? Each of us here. That was like No20 "calling" de Bruyne's move to Citeh. He's the one who's top level gets over-rated because of the length of his career. For peak performance Sammer and Effe were higher.

There were rumours swirling around but he called it a done deal on television/on the record. That's something different. Look at No_20 calling Draxler to Juve a done deal and the comments afterwards even on RealGM. Nevertheless, he's doing a fine job there whether you give him credit for the Lewy story or not.

cgf wrote:And you under-rate Effenberg. He was absolutely spectacular on the pitch as well as as a leader. A lot of people do because of his refusal to bury the hatchet with the DFB after the flicking off the fans incident. Now I'm gunna go watch some youtube videos of Effe dropping 30 yard passes with pinpoint precision.

As a fan of Bayern, I do rate him highly, but what's the problem of rating Lothar higher? Seriously, Matthäus was the captain and motor of a world cup winning side and was awarded with the most important individual awards in 1990/1991. These are some pretty good achievements for a guy who is - according to you - overrated because he played until nearly 40. :wink:

Don't get me wrong, I also think he has made several mistakes off the pitch but I think it is a shame that people regularly make fun of him and seem to have forgotten how good and important of a player he was. Easily one of the best players we have ever had.

cgf · Post #380 » by **cgf** » Sun Sep 6, 2015 9:35 pm

The only problem is he wasn't actually a better player in 90/91 than Effenberg was in his best years or Sammer was before the knee exploded. Lothar hit a high level very early, and stayed at a high level for **** ever. And that's impressive as ****, but the heights he reached weren't as high as these other two. It's like rating any forward we've had over Gerd or KHR, we've had some other great forwards but the heights those two reached just have not been touched by any of those other great players. Ditto Beckenbauer and Netzer. Matthaus was a great player, with a truly impressive career, but he was not one of the best players we've ever had at any point in that illustrious career.

Thus my calling him the Brett Favre or Martin Brodeur of german football.

His post playing career isn't even a factor in this. He just was never that unreal on the pitch. He was great, but no where near Netzer, and from his own era Effenberg and Sammer reached higher peaks.