OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[Damas]

Rose just doesn't come off as that kind of way to me. He seems like a guy who loves his girl and baby. For this women to randomly spring this up in late August is ridiculous. I know how the rape victim is traumatized and all but the idea to put this out 2 months before the season starts comes off as strange.

[musiqsoulchild]

Let's assume that arose and the plaintiff had sex that night. And had group sex.

Let's even assume she was inebriated and drugged.

Will the plaintiff then have to prove the drugs were not taken of her own volition to link that to bring unable to give consent?

I think that will decide the he-said, she-said. If Rose's team can show that the plaintiff has a history of voluntarily getting drunk and taking drugs - that might help Rose some.

Again, none of this has any bearing on wether Rose is ACTUALLY innocent. We are only talking about legal thresholds of innocence/guilt.

[GetBuLLish]

Let's assume that arose and the plaintiff had sex that night. And had group sex.

Let's even assume she was inebriated and drugged.

Will the plaintiff then have to prove the drugs were not taken of her own volition to link that to bring unable to give consent?

I think that will decide the he-said, she-said. If Rose's team can show that the plaintiff has a history of voluntarily getting drunk and taking drugs - that might help Rose some.

Again, none of this has any bearing on wether Rose is ACTUALLY innocent. We are only talking about legal thresholds of innocence/guilt.

If you make those assumptions, this case would have settled before any of us would have ever heard of this. The plaintiff would have gotten millions of dollars and her first attorney would have gotten a nice chunk of that.

[Red Larrivee]

Rose just doesn't come off as that kind of way to me. He seems like a guy who loves his girl and baby. For this women to randomly spring this up in late August is ridiculous. I know how the rape victim is traumatized and all but the idea to put this out 2 months before the season starts comes off as strange.

There are plenty of men who can love a women and still have sex with other women on the side, especially millionaire athletes who get women effortlessly. I don't think it makes them any less of a human being; it's just how things are these days. Anyone can be a nice, family-oriented man on camera.

[musiqsoulchild]

Let's assume that arose and the plaintiff had sex that night. And had group sex.

Let's even assume she was inebriated and drugged.

Will the plaintiff then have to prove the drugs were not taken of her own volition to link that to bring unable to give consent?

I think that will decide the he-said, she-said. If Rose's team can show that the plaintiff has a history of voluntarily getting drunk and taking drugs - that might help Rose some.

Again, none of this has any bearing on wether Rose is ACTUALLY innocent. We are only talking about legal thresholds of innocence/guilt.

If you make those assumptions, this case would have settled before any of us would have ever heard of this. The plaintiff would have gotten millions of dollars and her first attorney would have gotten a nice chunk of that.

There are 4 assumptions I made:

1) She was drunk and drugged ( past history of the plaintiff can prove/disprove this. Most people here are already assuming she is a characterless person anyway, smh)

2) Rose and plaintiff had sex ( already conceded by Rose's lawyers)

3) Rose and his buddies had sex with her ( not denied by Rose's lawyers. I think they used the word NON-EXCLUSIVE intentionally)

My worst case assumption just takes the above 3 easily provable/disprovable assumptions and has them all occur on the same night.

Thats not such a big assumption if say for example, parties with drugs, alchohol, Sex/Group sex occured 10-12 times a month ( I am using the frequency of 1X per month that is used in the language to show the relationship between Rose and plaintiff.

A lot of this will depend on how GOOD plaintiff's lawyer is. It would suck if a media personality lawyerlike Gloria Allred picked up the case. That would suck.

[GetBuLLish]

My worst case assumption just takes the above 3 easily provable/disprovable assumptions and has them all occur on the same night.

Yes, I understand that. And what I'm telling is this: There is no chance in hell Rose and Co.'s defense will be, "She voluntarily took drugs and then consented to the three of us simultaneously having sex with her."

If that's what happened, this case would have settled.

And if that's what happened, the plaintiff's first lawyer would have kept her case at all costs. Same with the second lawyer.

[johnnyvann840]

You do realize that Kobe did rape that woman, right?

you were there?

Kobe paid her off, and admitted, in a written statement, that he "understands she didn't see the sex as consensual". I can't believe people still think she was making it up.

People siding with the attacker, just because they are rich and famous is terrible.

you conveniently left out a very important part of the statement and what I happen to believe is the truth...

here is the whole segment of the official statement at settlement....

....Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter....

[johnnyvann840]

this is a possible scenario... not saying it's what happened, but...in theory...

Derrick and the other defendants may very well have had group sex with her at her apartment that night..... maybe they didn't drug her and maybe they all (except one of them who drugged her) thought she wanted it.. she claims Randall Hampton even called her and said that he thought she "wanted it" and that they were just having fun and that they always do that.

We may find out that Derrick and his crew had group sex with a lot more women than her. This is what the plaintiff is saying that her friend even told her. She's just saying that she was drugged so therefore never "wanted it" or consented to it. If she's lying, that is the entire basis of the money grab. Buyers remorse after she got all wasted and did something she regretted and also got dumped by Derrick and is scorned. If she's lying and it sounds like she is.

The whole question here is whether Derrick and his closest friends and assistants are these monsters who drug and rape women or just a bunch of kids with a lot money and a strange fetish for group sex... these allegations in the complaint of Derrick saying "he just like my brother... it won't change our relationship (if you have sex with both of us at the same time)" The question is whether or not these guys are sick like Cosby and think it's cool or OK to drug women and have their way with them... Cave men, if you will, with powdered drinks and pills instead of wooden clubs. I just cannot believe that. Maybe one of them is and slipped her something and the other really didn't know. This cab driver who allegedly had to help her to her apartment would be another bomb here. Because if she was THAT wasted and they didn't drug her but still took advantage of her.. that's pretty sick, anyway... and rape

[TimRobbins]

you conveniently left out a very important part of the statement and what I happen to believe is the truth...

here is the whole segment of the official statement at settlement....

....Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter....

If you can't understand this is an admission of rape, there's not much I can say.

In any case, he was not 'falsely' accused. I'm sure you can agree with that.

[TimRobbins]

this is a possible scenario... not saying it's what happened, but...in theory...

Derrick and the other defendants may very well have had group sex with her at her apartment that night..... maybe they didn't drug her and maybe they all (except one of them who drugged her) thought she wanted it.. she claims Randall Hampton even called her and said that he thought she "wanted it" and that they were just having fun and that they always do that.

We may find out that Derrick and his crew had group sex with a lot more women than her. This is what the plaintiff is saying that her friend even told her. She's just saying that she was drugged so therefore never "wanted it" or consented to it. If she's lying, that is the entire basis of the money grab. Buyers remorse after she got all wasted and did something she regretted and also got dumped by Derrick and is scorned. If she's lying and it sounds like she is.

The whole question here is whether Derrick and his closest friends and assistants are these monsters who drug and rape women or just a bunch of kids with a lot money and a strange fetish for group sex... these allegations in the complaint of Derrick saying "he just like my brother... it won't change our relationship (if you have sex with both of us at the same time)" The question is whether or not these guys are sick like Cosby and think it's cool or OK to drug women and have their way with them... Cave men, if you will, with powdered drinks and pills instead of wooden clubs. I just cannot believe that. Maybe one of them is and slipped her something and the other really didn't know. This cab driver who allegedly had to help her to her apartment would be another bomb here. Because if she was THAT wasted and they didn't drug her but still took advantage of her.. that's pretty sick, anyway... and rape

Any one of your scenarios reflects badly on Rose and his character.

[TimRobbins]

Let's assume that arose and the plaintiff had sex that night. And had group sex.

Let's even assume she was inebriated and drugged.

Will the plaintiff then have to prove the drugs were not taken of her own volition to link that to bring unable to give consent?

I think that will decide the he-said, she-said. If Rose's team can show that the plaintiff has a history of voluntarily getting drunk and taking drugs - that might help Rose some.

Again, none of this has any bearing on wether Rose is ACTUALLY innocent. We are only talking about legal thresholds of innocence/guilt.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe the threshold for a civil case is far lower. If they had group sex with her, they are going to have a tough time to convince the judge it was consensual, IMO.

[almanbulls]

This topic is still being talked about? Wake up people, the same **** is being said for the last 30 pages. [Wasnt necessary - Smack] This isn't a big story it will die. Court system will figure it out, if he did it he will pay, if there isn't enough to do anything, he will play!

- W

[MAQ]

Rose just doesn't come off as that kind of way to me. He seems like a guy who loves his girl and baby. For this women to randomly spring this up in late August is ridiculous. I know how the rape victim is traumatized and all but the idea to put this out 2 months before the season starts comes off as strange.

I'm assuming the timing has more to do with the Adidas Rose 6 promo pictures coming out and Rose doing a tour overseas for his brand. This has a small chance to hurt Rose the basketball player and the Chicago Bulls organization. It has a very large chance of destroying what is left of Derrick Rose as a marketable brand.

[asuran]

This topic is still being talked about? Wake up people, the same **** is being said for the last 30 pages. Let this topic go to the graveyard, nothing is going to happen to Rose, even if he is guilty. Thats what should the focus be on. This isn't a big story it will die. Court system will figure it out, if he did it he will pay, if there isn't enough to do anything, he will play!

All I can say is that I will keep an open mind on this, if he did it then he'll have to take responsibilities and consequences. Until then it's up to the courts to deal with this.

To say that even if he or anyone is a serial killer and you'd want that person to play and represent your team! That is some crazy stuff! Good thing you're just a ballboy, still time to set you straight.

[meekrab]

3) Rose and his buddies had sex with her ( not denied by Rose's lawyers. I think they used the word NON-EXCLUSIVE intentionally)

Rose was with Mieka during the time these events are alleged to have occurred. Their son was born pretty much right in the middle of the affair. Non-exclusive just means Rose was still with his main girl.

[AKfanatic]

This topic is still being talked about? Wake up people, the same **** is being said for the last 30 pages. [REMOVED] This isn't a big story it will die. Court system will figure it out, if he did it he will pay, if there isn't enough to do anything, he will play!

"Yeah the guy beat my sister, stabbed me, and raped my cat...but he's a great accountant!!! That should be the focus"

[chifan1798]

This is standard operation when it comes to a legal matter. It happens all the time, as a lawyer you have to limit what your client says in the press, especially when it's a high profile person. And let's be honest, Rose is never the best with his words, so it's probably better that he doesn't respond in any detail.

Fine. He's going to have to come up with a detailed version of events at some point. The blanket denial says very little.
If I had to bet money, I'd say that the girl's story is not some sort of complete fabrication. Something probably happened that night.

Also, people need to chill with the accuser bashing. How many NBA players were accused of rape during the past decade? I can only remember Kobe and he was hardly falsely accused. It's not like there are squads of girls just shooting rape accusations all over the place. These things are very rare.

It's probably because they're blackmailing those guys before anything comes out, and they sign some confidentiality agreements where they can't say anything about the incident. Believe me, women plot to get money out of athletes. Rape isn't the number one thing they try, but if pregnancy fails, then some may take it to another level

I agree though, there shouldn't be too much accuser bashing. None of us know the real story.....but I can understand the apprehension on totally believing the incident.

[DuckIII]

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Good grief.

[Keller61]

Her friend could have asked Allen to call a cab or Allen could have just called it himself. Im sure everything isn't word for word of what happened from 2 years ago in this complaint. One way to find out is phone records but who called the cab really isn't a difference maker here.

I agree the big question is why did her friend leave her. Thats a question her friend needs to answer. But honestly, there is no evidence she knew her friend was drugged as it was slipped in a drink. she likely assumed she was feeling sick and just doing weird things. Jane Doe could likely be over exaggerating how drugged she what whether Jane Doe is over exaggerating doesnt really matter if she was drugged without consent while Allen called and was on speaker saying we didnt know about a month later, etc...

If she is lying she should be punished but these call records are very important according to Jane Doe there are many of them. There should be no reason that Allen should have Jane Doe's number and be calling her a month after the taxi cab call its not his girl unless he is feeling guilty about something like Jane Doe is claiming.

There's actually no evidence that she was even drugged. Allegedly he's yelling, cursing at her the entire time, but he was nice enough for a minute to call her a cab? I'd think that he'd be like, if you want to leave find your own f'n way home.

Also as to the bold - it says in the complaint, that "C" knew that the plaintiff was incapacitated. Regardless if she knew it was via drugging or really sick, she left her...after being so concerned about her safety.

As to that phone call, if Allen doesn't think there was anything wrong done that night, why not call? And why is it your assumption that he was maybe feeling guilty? According to the complaint, the first thing he says that "he was not aware that she was drugged that night." If you knowingly took part in an elaborate scheme to drug and rape someone, as this complaint alleges, are you placing a call to them a month later?

I find that phone call a little odd too. If it happened the way she tells it, there's no way they didn't know what they were doing.

[Keller61]

The whole question here is whether Derrick and his closest friends and assistants are these monsters who drug and rape women or just a bunch of kids with a lot money and a strange fetish for group sex... these allegations in the complaint of Derrick saying "he just like my brother... it won't change our relationship (if you have sex with both of us at the same time)"

We don't know if that's the real context of the text message though. Taken in and of itself, it doesn't say or imply anything about group sex.

Same with the phone call a month afterwards - you don't get much context from the quote itself. I would assume that when he talks about how NBA players frequently have group sex, he means with multiple women. I also think that if he actually committed as brutal a crime as she alleges, he wouldn't be calling her and acting like he didn't know.