OT: TMZ - Rose being sued/accused of drugging and gang raping former GF

[johnnyvann840]

The whole question here is whether Derrick and his closest friends and assistants are these monsters who drug and rape women or just a bunch of kids with a lot money and a strange fetish for group sex... these allegations in the complaint of Derrick saying "he just like my brother... it won't change our relationship (if you have sex with both of us at the same time)"

We don't know if that's the real context of the text message though. Taken in and of itself, it doesn't say or imply anything about group sex.

Same with the phone call a month afterwards - you don't get much context from the quote itself. I would assume that when he talks about how NBA players frequently have group sex, he means with multiple women. I also think that if he actually committed as brutal a crime as she alleges, he wouldn't be calling her and acting like he didn't know.

that's why I say these "allegations".... they clearly imply in the complaint that it was about that. But, I agree with you. Even if it was, unless he said so and somebody heard it (which they are basically implying), or it was recorded it would be another thing nearly impossible to prove, anyway. But, yeah, the whole thing just seems so ridiculous. This entire group of guys are just evil to the core is what this woman is saying. I just can't buy it. and there are 13 defendants. How many people is she even saying raped her? Or she has no idea and they are going by the condoms allegedly left there?

[bullsRlife]

For all we know, "drugged" could really be, they were all just hanging out at Rose's house, and they were smoking weed, and drinking liquor.

The word, "drugged" seems like she was roofied. I bet a good amount of money she just got high off some herb, and drank some alcohal.

[TimRobbins]

It's probably because they're blackmailing those guys before anything comes out, and they sign some confidentiality agreements where they can't say anything about the incident.

I have no idea what this is based on.

[drbg43]

this is a possible scenario... not saying it's what happened, but...in theory...

Derrick and the other defendants may very well have had group sex with her at her apartment that night..... maybe they didn't drug her and maybe they all (except one of them who drugged her) thought she wanted it.. she claims Randall Hampton even called her and said that he thought she "wanted it" and that they were just having fun and that they always do that.

We may find out that Derrick and his crew had group sex with a lot more women than her. This is what the plaintiff is saying that her friend even told her. She's just saying that she was drugged so therefore never "wanted it" or consented to it. If she's lying, that is the entire basis of the money grab. Buyers remorse after she got all wasted and did something she regretted and also got dumped by Derrick and is scorned. If she's lying and it sounds like she is.

The whole question here is whether Derrick and his closest friends and assistants are these monsters who drug and rape women or just a bunch of kids with a lot money and a strange fetish for group sex... these allegations in the complaint of Derrick saying "he just like my brother... it won't change our relationship (if you have sex with both of us at the same time)" The question is whether or not these guys are sick like Cosby and think it's cool or OK to drug women and have their way with them... Cave men, if you will, with powdered drinks and pills instead of wooden clubs. I just cannot believe that. Maybe one of them is and slipped her something and the other really didn't know. This cab driver who allegedly had to help her to her apartment would be another bomb here. Because if she was THAT wasted and they didn't drug her but still took advantage of her.. that's pretty sick, anyway... and rape

Any one of your scenarios reflects badly on Rose and his character.

I think the most likely scenario where Rose is at fault is that they banged her while she was "too drunk", wtvr that threshold is. She thinks she has a case because she was gone and the cab driver saw her, so she claims being drugged and it not being consentual either. If they actually did drug her, well that's messed up obviously.

The question I have is, how can you prove that she was drugged, or how drunk she was?

[johnnyvann840]

I think the most likely scenario where Rose is at fault is that they banged her while she was "too drunk", wtvr that threshold is. She thinks she has a case because she was gone and the cab driver saw her, so she claims being drugged and it not being consensual either. If they actually did drug her, well that's messed up obviously.

The question I have is, how can you prove that she was drugged, or how drunk she was?

Agree. The thing is that I've seen men/women who could be really hammered, even blacked out and still be walking and talking and functioning pretty well and have no recollection of any of it the next day... then you tell them what they did and they are like... "no way. Did I really do that?"

[RememberLu]

I'm seriously going through Bulls basketball withdrawal right now.

My WSox are ****
The Bears are ****

I need to see Portis, Mirotic, Doug, et. al play again.

[musiqsoulchild]

I think the most likely scenario where Rose is at fault is that they banged her while she was "too drunk", wtvr that threshold is. She thinks she has a case because she was gone and the cab driver saw her, so she claims being drugged and it not being consensual either. If they actually did drug her, well that's messed up obviously.

The question I have is, how can you prove that she was drugged, or how drunk she was?

Agree. The thing is that I've seen men/women who could be really hammered, even blacked out and still be walking and talking and functioning pretty well and have no recollection of any of it the next day... then you tell them what they did and they are like... "no way. Did I really do that?"

I am fairly certain the law views that as rape.

[RSCD3_]

I think the most likely scenario where Rose is at fault is that they banged her while she was "too drunk", wtvr that threshold is. She thinks she has a case because she was gone and the cab driver saw her, so she claims being drugged and it not being consensual either. If they actually did drug her, well that's messed up obviously.

The question I have is, how can you prove that she was drugged, or how drunk she was?

Agree. The thing is that I've seen men/women who could be really hammered, even blacked out and still be walking and talking and functioning pretty well and have no recollection of any of it the next day... then you tell them what they did and they are like... "no way. Did I really do that?"

I am fairly certain the law views that
as rape.

Agree if you're that drunk you can't consent to sex. If you're both blacked out it cancels out but if your sober enough to contemplate your actions and have sex with a barely conscientious or clearly drunk woman it's rape.



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[DuckIII]

For all we know, "drugged" could really be, they were all just hanging out at Rose's house, and they were smoking weed, and drinking liquor.

The word, "drugged" seems like she was roofied. I bet a good amount of money she just got high off some herb, and drank some alcohal.

I'm pretty sure the complaint alleges that her drink was drugged

[johnnyvann840]

I think the most likely scenario where Rose is at fault is that they banged her while she was "too drunk", wtvr that threshold is. She thinks she has a case because she was gone and the cab driver saw her, so she claims being drugged and it not being consensual either. If they actually did drug her, well that's messed up obviously.

The question I have is, how can you prove that she was drugged, or how drunk she was?

Agree. The thing is that I've seen men/women who could be really hammered, even blacked out and still be walking and talking and functioning pretty well and have no recollection of any of it the next day... then you tell them what they did and they are like... "no way. Did I really do that?"

I am fairly certain the law views that as rape.

No. I'm talking about being drunk enough to black out but not even appear THAT drunk to others.

OK, I'll tell you a story. About 13 years ago, I was dating a college girl. She liked to drink but I wouldn't call her an alcoholic. Anyway, we went to D.C. for this conference for her. She went and asked me to come and I did. We were having a great time but I got really sick. Fever, headache, body aches, hot cold.... just sick. Anyway I stayed in our Georgetown hotel and she went out with a bunch of people. Came back late, was pretty hammered.. got in bed with me and wanted to mess around. I said no several times, tried to stop her because I really felt like I was going to puke.. She was persistent, I gave in and let her just do it. Next morning, she remembers none of it but apologizes over and over to me.. Did she rape me? Technically, yes.. but not really. I didn't care that much.

My point is that she took a cab back to the hotel she found our room... she was coherent enough that a lot of men, if they didn't know her, would have easily had sex with her that night and not thought they were taking advantage of anybody... and she would not have remembered it.

[johnnyvann840]

Agree if you're that drunk you can't consent to sex. If you're both blacked out it cancels out but if your sober enough to contemplate your actions and have sex with a barely conscientious or clearly drunk woman it's rape.

The thing is, like I just explained above, is that some people can be that drunk and even initiate the sex and not even appear to be THAT drunk to somebody else but be drunk enough to black out. I knew a guy in college who was a big big drinker and I swear he would black out all the time and some people wouldn;t even know he was that drunk.. just think he's obnoxious

[Ctownbulls]

Honestly, it feels like this story has kind of died already. You would think, if this story or the complaint had any legs that it would be a daily discussion on every media outlet just like every other abuse or scandal in other sports. This has basically become a non-story in less than a week.

[musiqsoulchild]

Agree. The thing is that I've seen men/women who could be really hammered, even blacked out and still be walking and talking and functioning pretty well and have no recollection of any of it the next day... then you tell them what they did and they are like... "no way. Did I really do that?"

I am fairly certain the law views that as rape.

No. I'm talking about being drunk enough to black out but not even appear THAT drunk to others.

OK, I'll tell you a story. About 13 years ago, I was dating a college girl. She liked to drink but I wouldn't call her an alcoholic. Anyway, we went to D.C. for this conference for her. She went and asked me to come and I did. We were having a great time but I got really sick. Fever, headache, body aches, hot cold.... just sick. Anyway I stayed in our Georgetown hotel and she went out with a bunch of people. Came back late, was pretty hammered.. got in bed with me and wanted to mess around. I said no several times, tried to stop her because I really felt like I was going to puke.. She was persistent, I gave in and let her just do it. Next morning, she remembers none of it but apologizes over and over to me.. Did she rape me? Technically, yes.. but not really. I didn't care that much.

My point is that she took a cab back to the hotel she found our room... she was coherent enough that a lot of men, if they didn't know her, would have easily had sex with her that night and not thought they were taking advantage of anybody... and she would not have remembered it.

Thanks for sharing Johhnyvan.

13 years ago - I really dont know much about where American law /precedent/previous rulings etc were.

But in todays USA, if that happened to you and you went to the cops - she would be charged with rape.

This is all pretty complex - as is rape - because essentially someone else has used your body against your wishes. Its the same basic definition as slavery, trafficking, abuse, kidnapping - your body is yours only. Unless you have given FULLY informed consent.

[mj234eva]

I think the most likely scenario where Rose is at fault is that they banged her while she was "too drunk", wtvr that threshold is. She thinks she has a case because she was gone and the cab driver saw her, so she claims being drugged and it not being consensual either. If they actually did drug her, well that's messed up obviously.

The question I have is, how can you prove that she was drugged, or how drunk she was?

Agree. The thing is that I've seen men/women who could be really hammered, even blacked out and still be walking and talking and functioning pretty well and have no recollection of any of it the next day... then you tell them what they did and they are like... "no way. Did I really do that?"

I am fairly certain the law views that as rape.

I was raped by my [at the time] girlfriend then (whatevers!). I went out partying, came home, all I remember was falling asleep. Next day, she tells me I went "at" it with her something serious. I couldn't believe it.

[mj234eva]

But in todays USA, if that happened to you and you went to the cops - she would be charged with rape.

This is all pretty complex - as is rape - because essentially someone else has used your body against your wishes. Its the same basic definition as slavery, trafficking, abuse, kidnapping - your body is yours only. Unless you have given FULLY informed consent.

He didn't have to give "in."

[Hangtime84]

I'm seriously going through Bulls basketball withdrawal right now.

My WSox are ****
The Bears are ****

I need to see Portis, Mirotic, Doug, et. al play again.

Eurobasket coming soon

[musiqsoulchild]

Agree. The thing is that I've seen men/women who could be really hammered, even blacked out and still be walking and talking and functioning pretty well and have no recollection of any of it the next day... then you tell them what they did and they are like... "no way. Did I really do that?"

I am fairly certain the law views that as rape.

I was raped by my [at the time] girlfriend then (whatevers!). I went out partying, came home, all I remember was falling asleep. Next day, she tells me I went "at" it with her something serious. I couldn't believe it.

No man - that doesnt qualify.

If she or you had said that you are NOT interested and the other partner still went ahead - THAT is rape.

[Keller61]

Honestly, it feels like this story has kind of died already. You would think, if this story or the complaint had any legs that it would be a daily discussion on every media outlet just like every other abuse or scandal in other sports. This has basically become a non-story in less than a week.

I wouldn't say it has died, but definitely calmed down. I don't feel as distressed over it as I did a few days ago. It will heat up again though. Rose will have to respond, teammates will be asked about it, etc.

[mj234eva]

I am fairly certain the law views that as rape.

I was raped by my [at the time] girlfriend then (whatevers!). I went out partying, came home, all I remember was falling asleep. Next day, she tells me I went "at" it with her something serious. I couldn't believe it.

No man - that doesnt qualify.

If she or you had said that you are NOT interested and the other partner still went ahead - THAT is rape.

No, I was too drunk to consent technically, so that would qualify.

[DuckIII]

Honestly, it feels like this story has kind of died already. You would think, if this story or the complaint had any legs that it would be a daily discussion on every media outlet just like every other abuse or scandal in other sports. This has basically become a non-story in less than a week.

That's because there are no criminal charges. There's no ongoing investigation. Its a civil suit, in which there will just be small spikes of activity here and there. Its not conducive to daily coverage. That won't mean it doesn't have legs as ongoing story down the road. For example, if it ever gets to the point of giving depositions (which I doubt), I'd be shocked if it weren't a leading story for a bit.