Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

tdjm · Post #761 » by **tdjm** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:15 am

Pretty frustrating that the Suns FO has essentially implied that their goal is to parlay lesser players into a greater one, and they keep having ideal trade chips for that purpose slip out through the cracks. IT being moved in isolation and desperation at the deadline nets little, but look at how he engineered a dramatic reversal of Boston's fortunes. He's a real NBA player, with a real on-court value. The Suns over the last 2 years have been substantially worse when Keef sits, and some of the biggest beatdowns they have suffered have been when he gets into early foul trouble. That is a sign that he is a real NBA player, with tangible on court value. Now he'll also be moved for little, most likely.

Those guys are essential to have, not as franchise cornerstones, but as the first, second, third etc. best items in a trade. Even if McDonough still gets good value for Keef in isolation (unlikely), what is lost is the fact that he could be a crucial piece of a bigger, more impactful trade due to his play, his salary being ideal for matching contracts, etc.

Perhaps McDonough needs to switch his focus if he's unable to manage things well enough to pull it off.

bigfoot · Post #762 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:18 am

matt131 wrote:@paulcoro: RT @Keefmorris: My future will not be in Phoenix.... #thatisall #backtothegrind #FOE

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The NBA should be levying fines for this type of behavior. Has any other NBA player done something like this?? It really sets a bad precedent for the rest of the league. Hope the league fines and suspends his azz. The only way this has any level of acceptability is if the Suns front office has already told him not to show up to arena for voluntary workouts because he will be traded before the season starts.

Fo-Real · Post #763 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:21 am

Can't see a reasonable trade for him, especially if he continues to kill his own trade value.

bigfoot · Post #764 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:21 am

tdjm wrote:Pretty frustrating that the Suns FO has essentially implied that their goal is to parlay lesser players into a greater one, and they keep having ideal trade chips for that purpose slip out through the cracks. IT being moved in isolation and desperation at the deadline nets little, but look at how he engineered a dramatic reversal of Boston's fortunes. He's a real NBA player, with a real on-court value. The Suns over the last 2 years have been substantially worse when Keef sits, and some of the biggest beatdowns they have suffered have been when he gets into early foul trouble. That is a sign that he is a real NBA player, with tangible on court value. Now he'll also be moved for little, most likely.

Those guys are essential to have, not as franchise cornerstones, but as the first, second, third etc. best items in a trade. Even if McDonough still gets good value for Keef in isolation, what is lost is the fact that he could be a crucial piece of a bigger, more impactful trade due to his play, his salary being ideal for matching contracts, etc.

Perhaps McDonough needs to switch his focus if he's unable to manage things well enough to pull it off.

Yes but the Suns should hold fast. Even if that means paying Kief and telling him to stay home. If it takes until February to get a good deal so be it.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #765 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:28 am

Suns should just trade Markieff for TT. He's the best option available and can learn from Tyson.

Fo-Real · Post #766 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:33 am

With the players the suns have brought in, they might be setting themselves up for a strictly draft picks and garbage trade. Tele, Leuer, and the last two camp bodies they just signed might be their cover your @ss moves in anticipation of not getting anything for a player who continues to KILL HIS VALUE!!

Mulhollanddrive · Post #767 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:35 am

Rather Markieff do nothing on 8m than Thompson at 18m.

If we keep Markieff and just sit him, watch his value go up as teams go 5-10 to start the season (only takes a couple of Milwaukee, Detroit, NO, Chicago etc who have stretch 4s)

SunsFanSSOL · Post #768 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:41 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Rather Markieff do nothing on 8m than Thompson at 18m.

If we keep Markieff and just sit him, watch his value go up as teams go 5-10 to start the season (only takes a couple of Milwaukee, Detroit, NO, Chicago etc who have stretch 4s)

His value won't go up. If he plays, he will taint the locker room and make things worse. If he sits, his value will go down even more. Suns are in danger of losing talent that we can't afford to lose. Rich Paul may be a pain but he doesn't take things personal like Markieff. If we were to trade TT or Bledsoe down the line, I'm sure he'd have no problem with it as long as they go to a good situation.

Cutter · Post #769 » by **Cutter** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:41 am

bigfoot wrote:
matt131 wrote:@paulcoro: RT @Keefmorris: My future will not be in Phoenix.... #thatisall #backtothegrind #FOE

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The NBA should be levying fines for this type of behavior. Has any other NBA player done something like this?? It really sets a bad precedent for the rest of the league. Hope the league fines and suspends his azz. The only way this has any level of acceptability is if the Suns front office has already told him not to show up to arena for voluntary workouts because he will be traded before the season starts.

Great perspective. I hadn't thought of this. This is totally unacceptable to publicly says these type of things. It might have happened before, but I can't remember a player being this aggressive about wanting off of a team. There should be fines levied by the league for this behavior. If not, the inmates quickly start running the asylum.

Fo-Real · Post #770 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:51 am

He won't be fined for publicly stating his thought and wishes. H3 is angry and is trying to make the Suns trade him, even if it is at a loss to us. Athletes have done this at least since the dawn of the freeagent. It sucks but has become the norm and seemingly their right. Just like Dragic and many before them he is simply going loud about what he would rather happen. There is nothing outlandish that he has said, I hope we trade him for something we like. Maybe his words of discontent can start a bidding war, because his last rant didn't drum up much interest.

thamadkant · Post #771 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:53 am

Lol at Kieff.

Surely NBA Players Union and NBA Management have agreement that players cannot demand trades through social media like how Kieff is doing it.

It absolutely kills any potential "fair" trades or any trades for that matter.

And people here defended this guy....

15/6 is EASY to replace.....

Fo-Real · Post #772 » by **Fo-Real** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 2:53 am

And please don't talk about inmates or asylums, my mom was crazy and my brother did time, it's not funny.......... KIDDING......... TOO SOON???

RaisingArizona · Post #773 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 3:31 am

I'm offended by everyone's language here. Please apologize.

Post #774 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 3:48 am

Fo-Real wrote:Kief can't leave his twitter open and his phone on the couch when Marcus is drinking. He be picking up his Bros phone and tweeting if you don't watch him. Lol

I actually had the same thought...that Marcus grabbed his twitter account.

RaisingArizona · Post #775 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 3:49 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Kief can't leave his twitter open and his phone on the couch when Marcus is drinking. He be picking up his Bros phone and tweeting if you don't watch him. Lol

I actually had the same thought...that Marcus grabbed his twitter account.

I did too but I thought everyone would laugh at me and call me :crazy:

Post #776 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 3:51 am

tdjm wrote:Pretty frustrating that the Suns FO has essentially implied that their goal is to parlay lesser players into a greater one, and they keep having ideal trade chips for that purpose slip out through the cracks. IT being moved in isolation and desperation at the deadline nets little, but look at how he engineered a dramatic reversal of Boston's fortunes. He's a real NBA player, with a real on-court value. The Suns over the last 2 years have been substantially worse when Keef sits, and some of the biggest beatdowns they have suffered have been when he gets into early foul trouble. That is a sign that he is a real NBA player, with tangible on court value. Now he'll also be moved for little, most likely.

Those guys are essential to have, not as franchise cornerstones, but as the first, second, third etc. best items in a trade. Even if McDonough still gets good value for Keef in isolation (unlikely), what is lost is the fact that he could be a crucial piece of a bigger, more impactful trade due to his play, his salary being ideal for matching contracts, etc.

Perhaps McDonough needs to switch his focus if he's unable to manage things well enough to pull it off.

Do I want to keep him after this? No, of course not. But I still am not trading him for scraps. Even if he doesn't play at all, if we can't add a player in a trade that makes our team better...better than Teletovic starting, let this guy sit at home and pout and ruin his career.

ZERO need to take on any contracts with negative value. His may be negative value to us, but it would not be negative value to a team he would want to play for, and teams know that. They want us to fold. We hold, and stare them in the face until they show us what they really have to offer us.

Moochthemonkey · Post #777 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 4:03 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Kief can't leave his twitter open and his phone on the couch when Marcus is drinking. He be picking up his Bros phone and tweeting if you don't watch him. Lol

I actually had the same thought...that Marcus grabbed his twitter account.

Post #778 » by **Miklo** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 4:04 am

What a piece of crap, I'm definitely with those who say fine him

Him and his brother are exactly what is wrong with today's NBA, good riddance once we get the second half of that cancer off the roster

TeamTragic · Post #779 » by **TeamTragic** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 4:05 am

tdjm wrote:Pretty frustrating that the Suns FO has essentially implied that their goal is to parlay lesser players into a greater one, and they keep having ideal trade chips for that purpose slip out through the cracks. IT being moved in isolation and desperation at the deadline nets little, but look at how he engineered a dramatic reversal of Boston's fortunes. He's a real NBA player, with a real on-court value. The Suns over the last 2 years have been substantially worse when Keef sits, and some of the biggest beatdowns they have suffered have been when he gets into early foul trouble. That is a sign that he is a real NBA player, with tangible on court value. Now he'll also be moved for little, most likely.

Those guys are essential to have, not as franchise cornerstones, but as the first, second, third etc. best items in a trade. Even if McDonough still gets good value for Keef in isolation (unlikely), what is lost is the fact that he could be a crucial piece of a bigger, more impactful trade due to his play, his salary being ideal for matching contracts, etc.

Perhaps McDonough needs to switch his focus if he's unable to manage things well enough to pull it off.

I think IT is a good player. Is he a great player and does he fit this team? NO. Selfish players don't win championships. Let's not pretend that Boston has better talent than Phoenix #teamchemistry

Post #780 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 4:15 am

Miklo wrote:What a piece of crap, I'm definitely with those who say fine him

Him and his brother are exactly what is wrong with today's NBA, good riddance once we get the second half of that cancer off the roster

Good to see you around these parts now and then Miklo!