How the Lakers are mixing Princeton, Triangle, and Horns in their Offense

[drk3351]

Hey Lakers fans. I made a breakdown video analzing their offense in summer league and what kind of plays they ran. Let me know what you thought of their offense in SL.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRo1uIVYigQ[/youtube]

[Slava]

Good stuff again, amazing to see how many plays the two PFs ended up blowing.

[Tee212]

quality. thanks for your time! theres goona be lots of ball watching when kobe is in the lineup. i can already see various negative kobe threads.

[Sofa King]

Thanks for the video. On the basketball side, I appreciate your insights and break down of the summer league play.

On a creative side, I would like if you broke up what they did well, who did poorly running those plays all in sections for the viewer to better understand.

[DEEP3CL]

Oh boy the subject of our offense again.....

My only problem is that half the posters here didn't understand what is suppose to happen. They complain about the Princeton, complain about the Tri. Truth be told they only went to the Horns sets because you can't learn the Tri or the Princeton in 2 funky weeks and expect to execute it to a T.

The Horns sets are basic basketball sets that every team in the NBA uses, it's no major secret what teams are doing when they go to it.

You can run the Horns set out of the Princeton but not the Triangle.

But given a full training camp they'll get the offenses down some, the learning curve is about 2 years for the Triangle. The Princeton can be learned a little quicker.

Bottom line when running the Tri and Princeton is that you have to have cerebral players who understand movement off the ball, reading the defense and making the precise movements to keep the offenses fluid. A lot of what is being lost today in ball especially in the pros is movement off the ball. Think about it....when was the last time we've seen a player that resembles Reggie Miller or Ray Allen ?

Exactly....guys and coached are watering down their talent and coaching schemes to fit one style of play, which is just a basic floor spread and teams are loading up with guys that basically can just shoot from distance. These players today aren't really two prong players, they do one thing and they're satisfied with it.

When people who say players that shoot from mid range are useless and coaches that have eliminated schemes that utilize mid range shooters...you know the game has changed. Now the center position is almost useless to a coach, they only see them now as a defender first and bench them when they really begin to lean on offense only.

[FrozenIceCubes]

Question.. Not to cause drama: but didn't the Lakers last time try the Princeton offense under Mike Brown and it literally destroyed the season and caused the flow of the season To go down the drain?

[dockingsched]

When people who say players that shoot from mid range are useless and coaches that have eliminated schemes that utilize mid range shooters...you know the game has changed. Now the center position is almost useless to a coach, they only see them now as a defender first and bench them when they really begin to lean on offense only.

I've seen people talk about midrange jumpers being useless a few times, but far more I've seen people misunderstand the point being made about mid range jumpers and their efficiency versus other shots. If you're good at making a shot, no matter where on the floor, you're going to have value. Specially now a days where defense's primarily focus on forcing an offense into a mid range shot. While obviously the mid range shot isn't useless, it's important to understand why a defense would prefer to give those up above any other shot.

As far as centers, IMO coaches bench their centers not when they lean on offense only, but when they need better defense. Centers are being marginalized cause they can't keep up defensively. They limit a defense's ability to switch and cover ground. So I totally disagree with the premise that they get taken out just cause a coach wants more offense.

[DEEP3CL]

When people who say players that shoot from mid range are useless and coaches that have eliminated schemes that utilize mid range shooters...you know the game has changed. Now the center position is almost useless to a coach, they only see them now as a defender first and bench them when they really begin to lean on offense only.

I've seen people talk about midrange jumpers being useless a few times, but far more I've seen people misunderstand the point being made about mid range jumpers and their efficiency versus other shots. If you're good at making a shot, no matter where on the floor, you're going to have value. Specially now a days where defense's primarily focus on forcing an offense into a mid range shot. While obviously the mid range shot isn't useless, it's important to understand why a defense would prefer to give those up above any other shot.

As far as centers, IMO coaches bench their centers not when they lean on offense only, but when they need better defense. Centers are being marginalized cause they can't keep up defensively. They limit a defense's ability to switch and cover ground. So I totally disagree with the premise that they get taken out just cause a coach wants more offense.

I agree on the mid range part of your post, 14-16 foot shots aren't going to hurt you in the grand scheme of a game as much as a player that can hit you for 2 straight 3's. I'm just still a believer that a good to great mid range shooter can always keep a defense from totally smothering the interior.

The center issue I sort of disagree with, in terms of coaches removing them for better defense...it's a yes and no in my opinion. Removing the 5 does allow for better or more fluid switching, but at what point of the game are we looking for that ? Switches are done countless amounts of times through out the game. If it were totally about switching then the 5 wouldn't play.

But in terms of offense I still believe that today's lack of offensive versatility from centers and how they bog down today's high tempo offenses is also a reason they sit them. Look at how many NBA games within the last 5 minutes where there is no 5 on the floor ? You're fooling yourself if you think offense isn't one of the reasons they're sitting.

I mean who are we trying to fool here ? Let's be real and just come to the realization that teams other than maybe the Spurs can't depend on their 5 to provide consistent and steady offense. It's kinda of a cop out to say they can't keep up defensively when the problem is actually two prong. You have guys like Bogut, Hibbert, Chandler and Howard who are excellent interior defenders and they're not totally horrid on the pick and roll. So that debunks that supposed theory for me. Using the switching aspect is an easy out...if centers were that putrid in movement then there would be no use for them what so ever in basketball.

Bottom line centers today are benched in those last minutes due to inept offensive ability and coaches want better offensive in terms of spacing and keeping tempo.

[DEEP3CL]

Question.. Not to cause drama: but didn't the Lakers last time try the Princeton offense under Mike Brown and it literally destroyed the season and caused the flow of the season To go down the drain?

Yeah he did, but since the Princeton and Triangle have some of the same principles Brown thought the transition would be easy. Problem was he worked on defense more than anything.

So when the offense wasn't working he'd make comments like, "They're still stuck in their old habits"....to that effect. But I wouldn't say it destroyed the season, they just went to running basic NBA sets and would run some Tri when they had guys that knew it on the floor.

In the Princeton unlike the Triangle you need a playmaking guard who can make quick reads, this is why Nash wasn't good for either offense in principle though. But in a uptempo offense where reads are less concerning Nash excelled. Bottom line if Russell is the guard we think then running this offense won't be a problem once they learn it.

[Jakay]

This is also why MWP would be awesome to have on the end of the bench. The guy simply knows how to work within different systems. Totally under-appreciated skill, and worth having some vets who can explain it to the younguns.

[Ckay]

Damn I just checked your other videos and....


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_7XJ3ZF1-g[/youtube]

[Slava]

The thing about Byron is that he is a development coach, he knows it, the front office knows it and they are working with that in mind. His plan is not to create a brilliant offense that might confound everyone and win us a championship, that's not possible. He is very simply running an extended basketball camp for the rookies and younger players throughout the season so that they can learn basic NBA principles and sets and apply them to real time basketball situations to help in their development.

Once fans accept and get used to that idea, the next few years can go by very smoothly.

[SlimShady83]

So it seems they'll be running most of the offense through our two PG/SG's /?? this will be refreshing to see someone else other then Kobe - Hope Kobe comes more off the ball this year < spot up shooter?