State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

SharoneWright · Post #3181 » by **SharoneWright** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:53 am

Sry to bring it up again, but Venezuela is small, fast, and aggressive. We could really use a 5th guard who can defend the perimeter while we pound it inside on offence. It's my only worry... that a guard gets in foul trouble or Heslip can't stay in front of his man. or both.

frumble · Post #3182 » by **frumble** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:59 am

TheFutureMM wrote:
frumble wrote:
TheFutureMM wrote:Sorry for the double post. I was hoping someone with an understanding of the new qualifying system could help me out with a question.

1. Is this the last ever FIBA America's? From what I understand they are going to do like a six window qualification from now on but that every country will be competing effectively eliminating the geographic grouping of countries.

There will still be continental championships (FIBA Americas, Euro Basket, etc.), but they will no longer be used for qualifying, and they will only be held every 4 years instead of every 2. The next one will be in summer 2017. November 2017 to February 2019 will have the six qualifying windows, World Cup will be summer 2019, and then Olympics summer 2020.

So is qualification for the 2020 Olympics going to be solely based on the outcome of the 2019 World Cup?

Some Olympic spots will be based on performance at the World Cup, and the remaining spots will be awarded based on last-chance tournaments just prior to the Olympics.

I have not seen a breakdown of how many spots will be awarded through each route, how many last chance tournaments there will be, whether they will be regional, etc.

Samurai_Raps · Post #3183 » by **Samurai_Raps** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:00 am

SharoneWright wrote:Sry to bring it up again, but Venezuela is small, fast, and aggressive. We could really use a 5th guard who can defend the perimeter while we pound it inside on offence. It's my only worry... that a guard gets in foul trouble or Heslip can't stay in front of his man. or both.

If we can't beat Venezuela with the team we have, then the reason goes deeper than not having a 5th guard. Enjoy the moment. its the least of our worries and things couldn't have worked out better.

SharoneWright · Post #3184 » by **SharoneWright** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:16 am

Samurai_Raps wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:Sry to bring it up again, but Venezuela is small, fast, and aggressive. We could really use a 5th guard who can defend the perimeter while we pound it inside on offence. It's my only worry... that a guard gets in foul trouble or Heslip can't stay in front of his man. or both.

If we can't beat Venezuela with the team we have, then the reason goes deeper than not having a 5th guard. Enjoy the moment. its the least of our worries and things couldn't have worked out better.

No doubt. I had actually just come back to edit my post that regardless of anything, we're gonna wipe the floor with those guys. The talent difference is just too great. It's gonna be nice to watch these guys earn their spot in Rio, especially the way we've stumbled at the FIBA's in years gone by. Full value.

That said, an upset loss (which won't happen) doesn't necessarily indicate any "deep" or "systemic" problems. Nationally, we've got the players/talent/depth and probably the most professional program of any team in this tournament. More likely, an upset loss would involve having 1 weakness exposed by a hot player on the other side. I obviously am of the opinion that we left a small chink in our armour with our roster construction. I don't see it being fatal, but it weighs on my mind.

slothrop8 · Post #3185 » by **slothrop8** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:05 am

Samurai_Raps wrote:its a good thing we didn't listen to that guy a few pages back that said Canada should just rest all their players for Mexico and DR since it was highly unlikely to get the 1st seed. Thats why you alway keep playing when there's still a chance.

I think that was me - and my point was we can clearly beat any team in this tournament - the only thing that can potentially derail us would be key injuries. With a spot in the semi clinched - we should manage minutes to our critical players carefully - the seed we end up with is less relevant than our health. Triano did that for the most part - I'd have played Wiggins and Joseph especially even less in those 2 games - but it has all worked out.

Lucky26 · Post #3186 » by **Lucky26** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:31 pm

slothrop8 wrote:
Samurai_Raps wrote:its a good thing we didn't listen to that guy a few pages back that said Canada should just rest all their players for Mexico and DR since it was highly unlikely to get the 1st seed. Thats why you alway keep playing when there's still a chance.

I think that was me - and my point was we can clearly beat any team in this tournament - the only thing that can potentially derail us would be key injuries. With a spot in the semi clinched - we should manage minutes to our critical players carefully - the seed we end up with is less relevant than our health. Triano did that for the most part - I'd have played Wiggins and Joseph especially even less in those 2 games - but it has all worked out.

Point not taken.

thunderforce · Post #3187 » by **thunderforce** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:42 pm

frumble wrote:
TheFutureMM wrote:
frumble wrote:
There will still be continental championships (FIBA Americas, Euro Basket, etc.), but they will no longer be used for qualifying, and they will only be held every 4 years instead of every 2. The next one will be in summer 2017. November 2017 to February 2019 will have the six qualifying windows, World Cup will be summer 2019, and then Olympics summer 2020.

So is qualification for the 2020 Olympics going to be solely based on the outcome of the 2019 World Cup?

Some Olympic spots will be based on performance at the World Cup, and the remaining spots will be awarded based on last-chance tournaments just prior to the Olympics.

I have not seen a breakdown of how many spots will be awarded through each route, how many last chance tournaments there will be, whether they will be regional, etc.

I don't think it matters any more how they qualify , Canada has arrived and we are too good to not be in any Olympics and we are just going to keep getting better and better . When the Olympics rolls around and we do really well I could see basketball becoming a major sport in Canada .

mintsa · Post #3188 » by **mintsa** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:57 pm

When was the last time we won this tourney ??

I can only recall 1999 when Nash put a team of scrubs on his back and got us to the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

slothrop8 · Post #3189 » by **slothrop8** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:00 pm

Lucky26 wrote:
slothrop8 wrote:
Samurai_Raps wrote:its a good thing we didn't listen to that guy a few pages back that said Canada should just rest all their players for Mexico and DR since it was highly unlikely to get the 1st seed. Thats why you alway keep playing when there's still a chance.

I think that was me - and my point was we can clearly beat any team in this tournament - the only thing that can potentially derail us would be key injuries. With a spot in the semi clinched - we should manage minutes to our critical players carefully - the seed we end up with is less relevant than our health. Triano did that for the most part - I'd have played Wiggins and Joseph especially even less in those 2 games - but it has all worked out.

Point not taken.

Lol - fair enough. If things had played out slightly differently and Joseph got nicked - we could be facing Puerto Rico in an elimination game with Phil Scrubb guarding JJ Barea and no back up point guard. Being cautious once the semi spot was secured was the right percentage play - that things worked out exactly in our favour anyway is wonderful.

RaptorReloaded · Post #3190 » by **RaptorReloaded** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:22 pm

I can't wait to see what we look like with Jamal Murray.

bokbok · Post #3191 » by **bokbok** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:42 pm

...here we come Rio.

frumble · Post #3192 » by **frumble** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:01 pm

thunderforce wrote:
frumble wrote:
TheFutureMM wrote:
So is qualification for the 2020 Olympics going to be solely based on the outcome of the 2019 World Cup?

Some Olympic spots will be based on performance at the World Cup, and the remaining spots will be awarded based on last-chance tournaments just prior to the Olympics.

I have not seen a breakdown of how many spots will be awarded through each route, how many last chance tournaments there will be, whether they will be regional, etc.

I don't think it matters any more how they qualify , Canada has arrived and we are too good to not be in any Olympics and we are just going to keep getting better and better . When the Olympics rolls around and we do really well I could see basketball becoming a major sport in Canada .

The point is that it is going to be harder for Canada to qualify in the future because NBA players will not be available for most of the qualifying windows. We will need guys like Cadougan, Rautins, Shepherd, etc. to qualify for the Worlds because Joseph, Murray, Stauskas, Wiggins, etc. will be unable to participate in the qualifying games.

And if we are not in the Worlds, it will be hard to make the Olympics because, going forward, many of the Olympic spots will be awarded based on performance at the Worlds.

Too Late Crew · Post #3193 » by **Too Late Crew** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:18 pm

slothrop8 wrote:
Lucky26 wrote:
slothrop8 wrote:
I think that was me - and my point was we can clearly beat any team in this tournament - the only thing that can potentially derail us would be key injuries. With a spot in the semi clinched - we should manage minutes to our critical players carefully - the seed we end up with is less relevant than our health. Triano did that for the most part - I'd have played Wiggins and Joseph especially even less in those 2 games - but it has all worked out.

Point not taken.

Lol - fair enough. If things had played out slightly differently and Joseph got nicked - we could be facing Puerto Rico in an elimination game with Phil Scrubb guarding JJ Barea and no back up point guard. Being cautious once the semi spot was secured was the right percentage play - that things worked out exactly in our favour anyway is wonderful.

I agree with you. Just because fortune was with Candaa and CoJo stayed healthy and it all worked out doesn't mean that the decision was the correct one. It would be no different than if we won a game by 2 points and Doornakemp went 1 for 10 but scored 2 points. Are people going to say "See it was the right decision to keep Doornekemp without his 2 points we would have lost"?

It really does seem like a silly decision not to have a 3rd PG or at least a combo guard (MS doesn't count). Neither of the bottom 2 guys (Sacre and Doornekemp ) made any meaningful contribution. We would have won every game without those 2 guys. My guess is that AD is basically being rewarded for his past National Team play by getting to play oin a "bigger" tournament. With the way qualifying will be going forward we will need these 2nd and 3rd tier guys to want top play for the National team while the tier 1 guys (NBA) get the glory when it comes time for the Olympics etc.

I still think its a very bad decision and hopefully they won't repeat it. I suppose they may actually be forced into it when Murray becomes available. You won't be able to keep him off this team if he wants to be on it he's too good and Scrubb has earned a spot so we should see 3 PG/Combo guards going forward.

On a related topic they taled a bit about Rowan Barrett's son during the game and after seeing him in the under 17 nationals (as a 15 year old) the kid is legit.

Post #3194 » by **Undefeated** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:26 pm

Ya there was a discussion about RJ earlier in this thread

Post #3195 » by **Alfred** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:28 pm

NBA teams are probably happy that team Canada has been keeping everyone's minutes under control. It will probably bode well for National commitment, knowing that team Canada isn't going to ride their player into the ground during the offseason.

DreamTeam09 · Post #3196 » by **DreamTeam09** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:56 pm

So what happened? Mexico beat Argentina by 36 so we are the first seed?

Post #3197 » by **Alfred** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:59 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:So what happened? Mexico beat Argentina by 36 so we are the first seed?

No, they beat them by 12, which means that we are the first seed, and will be playing Venezuela for a spot in the finals, and berth in the Rio Olympic games.

DreamTeam09 · Post #3198 » by **DreamTeam09** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:07 pm

Alfred wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:So what happened? Mexico beat Argentina by 36 so we are the first seed?

No, they beat them by 12, which means that we are the first seed, and will be playing Venezuela for a spot in the finals, and berth in the Rio Olympic games.

Someone wrote they had to beat them by 36 in order for us to get the 1st seed, unless I read that wrong. Oh well, let's get it Canada.

Arg beat us, we slaughters Mexico, Mexico beat Argentina? What's up with that

Valard · Post #3199 » by **Valard** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:11 pm

Count me in the minority ... but I think AD hasn't been that bad. I have no issue with him being on this team; Very unselfish, one of the better passers on the team, extremely active, knows and plays his role.

Scrubb has been impressive. He can flat out play. I keep seeing comments about scrubb having to guard barea if cojo went down and how much of a disaster it would be... why? I'm quite content giving it a go and if it isn't happening play a 2 or 3 on him. He'll I'd toss Wiggins at him in spurts. If jj barea is the reason we lose with or without cojo... we shouldn't be going to the Olympics anyways.

Valard · Post #3200 » by **Valard** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:12 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Alfred wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:So what happened? Mexico beat Argentina by 36 so we are the first seed?

No, they beat them by 12, which means that we are the first seed, and will be playing Venezuela for a spot in the finals, and berth in the Rio Olympic games.

Someone wrote they had to beat them by 36 in order for us to get the 1st seed, unless I read that wrong. Oh well, let's get it Canada.

Arg beat us, we slaughters Mexico, Mexico beat Argentina? What's up with that

We did not "slaughter" them. We had a good first half.