2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

Post #1061 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:13 pm

Not really interested in Henson, I'd rather have someone who is at least a plausible scoring option.

LofJ · Post #1062 » by **LofJ** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:18 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Not really interested in Henson, I'd rather have someone who is at least a plausible scoring option.

The options in free agency next summer aren't great. There's Horford, Whiteside, Hibbert, Noah, Mozgov, and Jefferson. Only Hibbert and Whiteside will be under 30. If we're not planning on holding onto Jefferson it's not a bad idea to see if we can trade for a big that will still be under contract past this season. We already did that with Hawes, and it's one of the reasons why I was so pleased with that trade. We then screwed that up by not bringing Biz back though unfortunately, and it's going to cost us when we go out to either resign Al Jeff or find another big to replace him. If we can't land one of the guys above or we can't trade for another big it's probably best for us to just sign a stop gap player for 1 year and wait to test the market again in 2017 when there will be more options available.

Post #1063 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:05 pm

I don't really disagree with any of that, though I think we'll miss Biz for less than folks suggest. I just saw that you slated Henson as our starting C, which suggested to me that he was intended to be more than a stop gap. If we want to sign him to a one year deal to backup Hawes at C, I'd be ok with that. I can't imagine that he'd do that though, given the market dynamics next summer.

raferfenix · Post #1064 » by **raferfenix** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:50 pm

LofJ wrote:What do you guys think about moving Marvin Williams and our 2016 1st protected 1-15 to Milwaukee for John Henson and Bayless? We'd have too many players in the frontcourt to get everyone minutes and we'd have to cut Roberts, but this move would be more about the post-Al Jeff future than this season.

Kemba/Lin
Batum/Lamb
MKG/Hairston
Kaminsky/Zeller
Henson/Hawes

Word earlier this Summer from Marc Stein was the Bucks were close to an extension with John Henson. But we haven't heard much since.

Question: How do you see Cody Zeller's trade value these days? And do you think the Bucks could or would try to put a package together for him?

In the scenario above the Hornets trading a lottery protected first is significant value, but I don't think the Bucks would value Marvin Williams so much. We would also need some manner of backup center since Miles Plumlee (who didn't really get into Kidd's rotation after the deadline deal last year) would be the only other 5 we would have.

Maybe a 3 way deal would work better if the pieces above were still the main parts.

HornetJail · Post #1065 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:05 pm

I would leave a Zeller/Henson swap alone, personally. I like Zeller's fit here. Since the FO is clearly looking for bigs that can space the floor and actually let a terrific defensive big walk for nothing to get them, I don't see Henson having much of a role here.

Snidely FC · Post #1066 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 2:26 am

If Kemba doesn't come out firing on all cylinders, I'd call Pres. Jackson in NY and offer:

Kemba to NYK for Jose Calderon + Jerian Grant

This team is limited by Kemba's limitations (2nd worst starting PG shooting % behind only Deron Williams; petite with no length). He's 25, and with more talented players finally around him it's time for him to breakout. If he misfires, then I pull the plug on him leading this team.

Let Jeremy LIn and Calderon (shot 41% from 3 in '15, 7 ml/2 yrs) split PG mins while bringing Grant (6'5, 6'8 wingspan, 22 years old) along as PG of the future.

(I'm gonna go put on my fire retardant shirt. Fire away)

Liver_Pooty · Post #1067 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 2:44 am

Snidely FC wrote:If Kemba doesn't come out firing on all cylinders, I'd call Pres. Jackson in NY and offer:

Kemba to NYK for Jose Calderon + Jerian Grant

This team is limited by Kemba's limitations (2nd worst starting PG shooting % behind only Deron Williams; petite with no length). He's 25, and with more talented players finally around him it's time for him to breakout. If he misfires, then I pull the plug on him leading this team.

Let Jeremy LIn and Calderon (shot 41% from 3 in '15, 7 ml/2 yrs) split PG mins while bringing Grant (6'5, 6'8 wingspan, 22 years old) along as PG of the future.

(I'm gonna go put on my fire retardant shirt. Fire away)

BigSlam definitely supports this.

Snidely FC · Post #1068 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 3:25 pm

Saw a headline on Google News saying Trade Rumor: Zeller + draft picks to Philly for Embiid. I'm not providing a link because the site had an obnoxious ad pop-up and the source turned out to be ESPN's Trade Machine!! Anyway, what would people think of that? Zeller + 2 second rounders for Embiid? Is Embiid worth the risk?

dmutombo321 · Post #1069 » by **dmutombo321** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 3:54 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Saw a headline on Google News saying Trade Rumor: Zeller + draft picks to Philly for Embiid. I'm not providing a link because the site had an obnoxious ad pop-up and the source turned out to be ESPN's Trade Machine!! Anyway, what would people think of that? Zeller + 2 second rounders for Embiid? Is Embiid worth the risk?

Possibly, if he can get healthy he's going to be an immediate top 5 center. But Zeller is a servicable PF so that's a hell of a gamble.

75% chance Embiid is an Oden and washes out due to injuries. But theres also that other 25% chance he gets healthy.

Zydrunas ilgauskas comes to mind. Missed his entire rookie year and significent time during his first three years with foot surgeries. I remember having written him off and thinking he was done. But, remarkably, he finally got healthy and went on to have a lengthy career.

Even considering such a move would be contingent on having favorable expert medical advice in hand from reputable doctors

HornetJail · Post #1070 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 6:14 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Saw a headline on Google News saying Trade Rumor: Zeller + draft picks to Philly for Embiid. I'm not providing a link because the site had an obnoxious ad pop-up and the source turned out to be ESPN's Trade Machine!! Anyway, what would people think of that? Zeller + 2 second rounders for Embiid? Is Embiid worth the risk?

Just saw that. It's not a rumor by any stretch, it's some no-name guy screwing around with the trade machine. The only reason I wouldn't pull the trigger on the deal is because if Philly (the only team in the league with all the time in the world to wait for him) has thrown in the towel on Embiid, it means that his foot is truly f*cked and he'll likely never play a game. If Philly is willing to trade for a quick fix like Zeller, it means they're just trying to salvage whatever value they can before it comes out that he's toast.

Braggins · Post #1071 » by **Braggins** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:25 pm

I really hope we aren't trying to trade Zeller. I feel like hes going to be a slightly better version (more athletic) of Tiago Splitter. Not great but definitely valuable and we need someone like that on our team.

Post #1072 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:07 pm

Lowe in his Markieff Morris post today:

Morris could transform himself into a really good player for the modern, pace-and-space, switch-everything NBA, and he’s just starting a four-year, $32 million contract. In a league where contracts are short and starters will soon be earning almost $15 million on average, that deal is like gold bullion. There is not much risk in trumping a tepid trade market to take a shot on Morris.

We all know the obvious suspects by now. Toronto and Boston have so-so starting power forwards and extra picks, but I’m not sure either sees Morris as an upgrade. And not even Boston, hoarding so many picks in every draft range, is coughing up a first-rounder for Morris right now. Detroit has Marcus Morris, and a decent power forward in Ersan Ilyasova whose salary matches Markieff Morris’s almost exactly. (Perhaps the Pistons agree with Phoenix that the twins may be better off separated.) The Lakers need help everywhere, the Hornets have an easy trade package in Cody Zeller and Jeremy Lamb, and the Blazers have the cap space to absorb Morris without trading anyone. They also have a zillion other young bigs who need minutes, and there are potential fit issues in some of those other places.

Maybe not so much. I would be willing to roll the dice on Morris if it only involved Marvin and 2nds and maybe someone like PJ, but I think Cody in four years will be much more valuable than Morris so I wouldn't do that trade. The drama around here would be pretty amusing if Lamb was sent out before the season started. I'm hopeful that Lamb will be productive for us and we need wing depth, so I wouldn't want to include him in a deal.

HornetJail · Post #1073 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:19 pm

I've said it before, I have absolutely zero interest in taking on Markieff Morris. Especially not at the cost of Zeller or Frank.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1074 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:55 am

The Suns would get out like Bandits if we gave them Zeller and Lamb. Ridiculous.

Braggins · Post #1075 » by **Braggins** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:11 am

I wouldn't even do Zeller straight up for him. Markief is better than Zeller now but we desperately need Zeller's defensive skillset and hes younger and more coachable. I actually am pretty intrigued by the possibility of bringing in Markief, though. I like his versatility and I love the contract. I'd trade Al for him and filler in a heartbeat, but that seems like a highly unlikely scenario. I've pretty much given up on our ability to develop our draft picks so I really might be willing to give up a lottery protected 1st for him. Marvin + lottery protected 1st might be worth it.

Kemba/Lin/Roberts
Batum/Lamb/Daniels
MKG/PJ
Kief/Zeller/Hansbrough
Al/Frank/Hawes

HornetJail · Post #1076 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:58 am

Markieff Morris is the Gerald Henderson of power forwards, minus the ability to be a leader, a professional, and not be a jackass. I've never bought the Markieff hype, even before it became evident that he was a total nut job. We have two power forwards that will likely end up better than him, and traded a third one this offseason already. Pass.

Post #1077 » by **JDR720** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:06 am

have they already forgot we just spent an entire season trying to get rid of a cancer? we aren't trading for another,

LofJ · Post #1078 » by **LofJ** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:59 pm

This won't happen, but I'd freak if it did:

Marvin Williams to Toronto
for
James Johnson and Bismack Biyombo

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6615703

HornetJail · Post #1079 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:27 pm

LofJ wrote:This won't happen, but I'd freak if it did:

Marvin Williams to Toronto
for
James Johnson and Bismack Biyombo

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6615703

they probably wouldn't trade either one for Marvin, let alone both.

LofJ · Post #1080 » by **LofJ** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:48 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
LofJ wrote:This won't happen, but I'd freak if it did:

Marvin Williams to Toronto
for
James Johnson and Bismack Biyombo

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6615703

they probably wouldn't trade either one for Marvin, let alone both.

We'd look like fools, but I'd throw in a lottery protected 1st as well.