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Bjelica is listed at 209 cm in pregame introductions. Do you guys know if it's measured barefoot or with shoes on? If it's bare foot then he's actually taller than Dieng and is basically 6'11 by NBA standards.
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NewWolvesOrder wrote:Bjelica is listed at 209 cm in pregame introductions. Do you guys know if it's measured barefoot or with shoes on? If it's bare foot then he's actually taller than Dieng and is basically 6'11 by NBA standards.
In 2008 in Crvena Zvezda (20 years) he was measured barefoot 208, every team in Serbia takes measurements barefoot.
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NewWolvesOrder wrote:Bjelica is listed at 209 cm in pregame introductions. Do you guys know if it's measured barefoot or with shoes on? If it's bare foot then he's actually taller than Dieng and is basically 6'11 by NBA standards.
Nobody measures height with the players shoes on, except the NBA. It's dumb. But the agents like to pretend that 6'8" guys are 6'10", and 6'10" = 7"0.
European Heights are typically accurate.
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Saltine wrote:Nobody measures height with the players shoes on, except the NBA. It's dumb. But the agents like to pretend that 6'8" guys are 6'10", and 6'10" = 7"0.
Nobody plays in socks, so for all intents and purposes, a 6'9" guy in socks IS 6'10" - 6'11" when playing basketball.

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AQuintus wrote:Saltine wrote:Nobody measures height with the players shoes on, except the NBA. It's dumb. But the agents like to pretend that 6'8" guys are 6'10", and 6'10" = 7"0.
Nobody plays in socks, so for all intents and purposes, a 6'9" guy in socks IS 6'10" - 6'11" when playing basketball.
Seriously?
When shoes add 0.75" to 2.25" to someones height, and basketball fans all around the world want to pretend an extra inch of height is somehow very, very important... Measuring people correctly, the way the rest of mankind does it, seems like a good idea. It's completely idiotic to manufacture nonsensical measurements of height, then pretend they are all valid, because people wear shoes.
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Seriously?
When shoes add 0.75" to 2.25" to someones height,
Yes, seriously. If the shoes that they're measured in are the shoes that they wear on the court then that's their height on the court. If they're capable of playing in shoes with 5 foot soles, then they should be listed at 12 feet tall because that's how high the top of their heads are off of the ground when they're playing.

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AQuintus wrote:Saltine wrote:
Seriously?
When shoes add 0.75" to 2.25" to someones height,
Yes, seriously. If the shoes that they're measured in are the shoes that they wear on the court then that's their height on the court. If they're capable of playing in shoes with 5 foot soles, then they should be listed at 12 feet tall because that's how high the top of their heads are off of the ground when they're playing.
By that logic, NFL players should be weighed with with their armour, since no one plays without padding and NHL players measured with their skates.
We obviously won't change the way the NBA measures their players, but that doesn't make it logical or consistant with how the rest of humanity does things.
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breatnach wrote:By that logic, NFL players should be weighed with with their armour, since no one plays without padding and NHL players measured with their skates.
Maybe it should be. It's not something that should be complained about either way. Same with basketball heights with or without shoes.
We obviously won't change the way the NBA measures their players, but that doesn't make it logical or consistant with how the rest of humanity does things.
It may not be consistent, but it's plenty logical.

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AQuintus wrote:Saltine wrote:
Seriously?
When shoes add 0.75" to 2.25" to someones height,
Yes, seriously. If the shoes that they're measured in are the shoes that they wear on the court then that's their height on the court. If they're capable of playing in shoes with 5 foot soles, then they should be listed at 12 feet tall because that's how high the top of their heads are off of the ground when they're playing.
Do you think players always get measured in the same shoes they play in?
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AQuintus wrote:breatnach wrote:By that logic, NFL players should be weighed with with their armour, since no one plays without padding and NHL players measured with their skates.
Maybe it should be. It's not something that should be complained about either way. Same with basketball heights with or without shoes.We obviously won't change the way the NBA measures their players, but that doesn't make it logical or consistant with how the rest of humanity does things.
It may not be consistent, but it's plenty logical.
When people ask you how tall you are, do you tell them your height it shoes? flipflops? or winter boots?
BTW, I believe NBA lists heights in shoes because they think bigger is better.
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Worm Guts wrote:Do you think players always get measured in the same shoes they play in?
Not always. And that's the only issue I would have with 'in shoe' measurements.
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When people ask you how tall you are, do you tell them your height it shoes? flipflops? or winter boots?
I usually tell them the height on my driver's license, which is my height in shoes. Not that it matters, though, because almost nothing I do in life really involves my height. Playing basketball, on the other hand, definitely involves height.
BTW, I believe NBA lists heights in shoes because they think bigger is better.
Maybe. Or maybe they list height in shoes because the players play in shoes.
Really, though, none of this matters since standing reach is a much more relevant measurement, and in the NBA at least, that's always measured in shoes.

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I would just say you want to compare the players not the equipment. If playing with thicker soles is beneficial, then the whole team should have them.
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Maybe. Or maybe they list height in shoes because the players play in shoes.
Really, though, none of this matters since standing reach is a much more relevant measurement, and in the NBA at least, that's always measured in shoes.
NBA is the only organization that lists height in shoes. FIBA doesn't do it and they play in shoes too. Other sports don't do it and they play in various footwear too.
NBA people probably believe that it helps then market/sell NBA players. It's a little annoying as it brings some confusion into conversation, that's all.
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NewWolvesOrder wrote: FIBA doesn't do it and they play in shoes too.
And that's fine. It's nothing to get bent out of shape either way.
Other sports don't do it and they play in various footwear too.
In what other sports does height really matter?
NBA people probably believe that it helps then market/sell NBA players.
Or maybe they believe that it's more accurate, since, again, basketball players play in shoes.

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Worm Guts wrote:I would just say you want to compare the players not the equipment.
I think you would want to measure how far away the top of a player's head is from the ground when they are playing. If two players are identical in height when in socks, but one has taller shoes when playing, then the one with taller shoes will appear taller on the court. That matters; not a lot, of course, but enough that it probably should be included in their measurements.
If playing with thicker soles is beneficial, then the whole team should have them.
Probably. But that's assuming that everyone is equally capable of playing in taller soles, which may not be the case.

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AQuintus wrote:NewWolvesOrder wrote: FIBA doesn't do it and they play in shoes too.
And that's fine. It's nothing to get bent out of shape either way.Other sports don't do it and they play in various footwear too.
In what other sports does height really matter?NBA people probably believe that it helps then market/sell NBA players.
Or maybe they believe that it's more accurate, since, again, basketball players play in shoes.
So why does Fiba believe that measuring real height is more accurate? Again, NBA is all about profit and marketing.
And for other sports? Volleyball, Handball, and even Soccer to some degree height matters.
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NewWolvesOrder wrote:So why does Fiba believe that measuring real height is more accurate?
I don't know, and I don't particularly care. Maybe they think the <1 actual height difference on the court that shoes DO add isn't important enough to bother listing.
And for other sports? Volleyball, Handball, and even Soccer to some degree height matters.
Soccer? Not really. The others can include height in shoes or not. Like I've been saying, it's really not something to get bent out of shape over either way.

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AQuintus wrote:NewWolvesOrder wrote:So why does Fiba believe that measuring real height is more accurate?
I don't know, and I don't particularly care. Maybe they think the <1 actual height difference on the court that shoes DO add isn't important enough to bother listing. Or maybe they have a standard and don't care what kind of shoes a Kevin Love brought to measure himself inAnd for other sports? Volleyball, Handball, and even Soccer to some degree height matters.
Soccer? Not really. The others can include height in shoes or not. Like I've been saying, it's really not something to get bent out of shape over either way. In soccer height for goalkeeper, central defenders and for strikers (to some degree) is very important. And what do you know about the others? Seems pretty ignorant statement to me
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NewWolvesOrder wrote:Or maybe they have a standard and don't care what kind of shoes a Kevin Love brought to measure himself in
The NBA also has a standard. Just because it's different doesn't mean that it's wrong.
in soccer height for goalkeeper, central defenders and for strikers (to some degree) is very important.
But height isn't anywhere near as important or as relevant for those positions as it is in basketball (or volleyball and handball which are solid examples).
And what do you know about the others? Seems pretty ignorant statement to me
I know that they can list their players' heights in socks or in shoes and either way is fine.
Either way, at this point I'm just hypocritically complaining about people that complain about the NBA's decision to list heights in shoes (which IS just fine). So I'm done.

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