New Playoff Seeding Format

mercury · Post #1 » by **mercury** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 2:41 am

About time... http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/09/08/nba-playoff-reseeding/71908164/

Shady_ · Post #2 » by **Shady_** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 3:22 am

Meh, they need to get rid of conferences and have teams battle for playoff spots 1 through 16.

I'm tired of seeing the same teams play each other over and over again in the east and west. It would be refreshing seeing different teams play each other in the playoffs.

joedumars1 · Post #3 » by **joedumars1** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 3:52 am

Shady_ wrote:Meh, they need to get rid of conferences and have teams battle for playoff spots 1 through 16.

I'm tired of seeing the same teams play each other over and over again in the east and west. It would be refreshing seeing different teams play each other in the playoffs.

If that happened we might not see the playoffs for a very long time with how stacked the west is

Shady_ · Post #4 » by **Shady_** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 3:58 am

joedumars1 wrote:
Shady_ wrote:Meh, they need to get rid of conferences and have teams battle for playoff spots 1 through 16.

I'm tired of seeing the same teams play each other over and over again in the east and west. It would be refreshing seeing different teams play each other in the playoffs.
If that happened we might not see the playoffs for a very long time with how stacked the west is

I would be fine with that, if that happend, The best / better teams need to be in the playoffs. West teams that didn't make the playoffs this year deserved a spot over like half the East teams that only got in for being in such a weak conference.

joedumars1 · Post #5 » by **joedumars1** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:04 am

Shady_ wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:
Shady_ wrote:Meh, they need to get rid of conferences and have teams battle for playoff spots 1 through 16.

I'm tired of seeing the same teams play each other over and over again in the east and west. It would be refreshing seeing different teams play each other in the playoffs.
If that happened we might not see the playoffs for a very long time with how stacked the west is

I would be fine with that, better teams need to be in the playoffs. West teams that didn't make the playoffs this year deserved a spot over like half the East teams that only got in for being in such a weak conference.

I think it would make it a lot tougher to have a team grow together that way. If it was that way it might take 3 plus years for this Pistons team to make the Playoffs, just be be a one and done. Do you think Dre would be happy with that? Do you think he would want to stick around? I would hate if they did that.

I think how it is set up now this Pistons team should make the playoffs this year, maybe win 2-3 games in the series. I would expect them to grow from making the playoffs and want it even more the next year.

Shady_ · Post #6 » by **Shady_** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:16 am

joedumars1 wrote:
Shady_ wrote:
joedumars1 wrote: If that happened we might not see the playoffs for a very long time with how stacked the west is

I would be fine with that, better teams need to be in the playoffs. West teams that didn't make the playoffs this year deserved a spot over like half the East teams that only got in for being in such a weak conference.

I think it would make it a lot tougher to have a team grow together that way. If it was that way it might take 3 plus years for this Pistons team to make the Playoffs, just be be a one and done. Do you think Dre would be happy with that? Do you think he would want to stick around? I would hate if they did that.

I think how it is set up now this Pistons team should make the playoffs this year, maybe win 2-3 games in the series. I would expect them to grow from making the playoffs and want it even more the next year.

So you're only looking at this from a Pistons side. I'm a Pistons fan too but I also care about the NBA as a whole and having all the teams battling for 16 spots would be new and exciting.

Also 16 Spots is alot and Pistons would have more than enough chances to get one of those spots.

joedumars1 · Post #7 » by **joedumars1** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:41 am

Shady_ wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:
Shady_ wrote:
I would be fine with that, better teams need to be in the playoffs. West teams that didn't make the playoffs this year deserved a spot over like half the East teams that only got in for being in such a weak conference.

I think it would make it a lot tougher to have a team grow together that way. If it was that way it might take 3 plus years for this Pistons team to make the Playoffs, just be be a one and done. Do you think Dre would be happy with that? Do you think he would want to stick around? I would hate if they did that.

I think how it is set up now this Pistons team should make the playoffs this year, maybe win 2-3 games in the series. I would expect them to grow from making the playoffs and want it even more the next year.

So you're only looking at this from a Pistons side. I'm a Pistons fan too but I also care about the NBA as a whole and having all the teams battling for 16 spots would be new and exciting.

Also 16 Spots is alot and Pistons would have more than enough chances to get one of those spots.

I'm looking as a whole too. It would be bad imo. How many teams from the east would've made the playoffs with that format last year 3-4? Haven't looked it up. It would be difficult for the rest of them east teams to make the playoffs. Their best players would probably go to a different team before they make playoffs. I think it would be horrible just horrible. Maybe someone else will explain better than me, but I think bad idea

Shady_ · Post #8 » by **Shady_** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 4:58 am

joedumars1 wrote:
Shady_ wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:I think it would make it a lot tougher to have a team grow together that way. If it was that way it might take 3 plus years for this Pistons team to make the Playoffs, just be be a one and done. Do you think Dre would be happy with that? Do you think he would want to stick around? I would hate if they did that.

I think how it is set up now this Pistons team should make the playoffs this year, maybe win 2-3 games in the series. I would expect them to grow from making the playoffs and want it even more the next year.

So you're only looking at this from a Pistons side. I'm a Pistons fan too but I also care about the NBA as a whole and having all the teams battling for 16 spots would be new and exciting.

Also 16 Spots is alot and Pistons would have more than enough chances to get one of those spots.

I'm looking as a whole too. It would be bad imo. How many teams from the east would've made the playoffs with that format last year 3-4? Haven't looked it up. It would be difficult for the rest of them east teams to make the playoffs. Their best players would probably go to a different team before they make playoffs. I think it would be horrible just horrible. Maybe someone else will explain better than me, but I think bad idea

It would be their own fault for not making the playoffs, it would be their own fault for not putting a better team together. If you get rid of conferences it will put more pressure on those teams to get them to put a better team together, instead of just getting an easy ride or not so difficult ride to the playoffs.

joedumars1 · Post #9 » by **joedumars1** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 5:16 am

Shady_ wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:
Shady_ wrote:

So you're only looking at this from a Pistons side. I'm a Pistons fan too but I also care about the NBA as a whole and having all the teams battling for 16 spots would be new and exciting.

Also 16 Spots is alot and Pistons would have more than enough chances to get one of those spots.

I'm looking as a whole too. It would be bad imo. How many teams from the east would've made the playoffs with that format last year 3-4? Haven't looked it up. It would be difficult for the rest of them east teams to make the playoffs. Their best players would probably go to a different team before they make playoffs. I think it would be horrible just horrible. Maybe someone else will explain better than me, but I think bad idea

It would be their own fault for not making the playoffs, it would be their own fault for not putting a better team together. If you get rid of conferences it will put more pressure on those teams to get them to put a better team together, instead of just getting an easy or not so difficult ride to the playoffs.

I agree, but it's difficult for teams to make playoffs now let alone in that 16 best teams in the league make the playoffs. It's hard to get a Free Agent if you suck. If you draft a Superstar, hopefully you start to win before he decides to leave. Drafting a Superstar is difficult too. I think it might make some fans not watch too. I wouldn't be to intrigued to watch knowing if we made the playoffs we probably match up with a West team and get smoked if the 1st rd. Eventually it probably would start to even out, but idk. Idea seems crazy to me, I don't ever expect it to be that way tho.

tmorgan · Post #10 » by **tmorgan** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 6:21 am

I'm in favor of top 16 no conferences as well. Yes, it'd move our playoff chances this year from "pretty good" to "not good at all", but it would also quickly balance the talent discrepancy that's currently plaguing the NBA. If say 11 or 12 of the 16 playoff teams came from the West, that's a lot more lottery picks for the East.

ImHeisenberg · Post #11 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 10:55 am

If they adopt a "top 16" approach, next western conference teams will complain that their schedule is harder than eastern conference teams, as teams like the Cavs pad their record wrecking teams like Philly twice as much.

I'm fine this move.

hoophabit · Post #12 » by **hoophabit** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 11:54 am

If conferences were essentially eliminated, wouldn't schedules then need to be balanced for competitive reasons? It surely would result in more travel for the teams.

ImHeisenberg · Post #13 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Wed Sep 9, 2015 1:12 pm

That would result in massive road trips. I don't know if that would be good for the players health and a comfort.

Shady_ · Post #14 » by **Shady_** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:10 pm

joedumars1 wrote:
Shady_ wrote:
joedumars1 wrote:I'm looking as a whole too. It would be bad imo. How many teams from the east would've made the playoffs with that format last year 3-4? Haven't looked it up. It would be difficult for the rest of them east teams to make the playoffs. Their best players would probably go to a different team before they make playoffs. I think it would be horrible just horrible. Maybe someone else will explain better than me, but I think bad idea

It would be their own fault for not making the playoffs, it would be their own fault for not putting a better team together. If you get rid of conferences it will put more pressure on those teams to get them to put a better team together, instead of just getting an easy or not so difficult ride to the playoffs.

I agree, but it's difficult for teams to make playoffs now let alone in that 16 best teams in the league make the playoffs. It's hard to get a Free Agent if you suck. If you draft a Superstar, hopefully you start to win before he decides to leave. Drafting a Superstar is difficult too. I think it might make some fans not watch too. I wouldn't be to intrigued to watch knowing if we made the playoffs we probably match up with a West team and get smoked if the 1st rd. Eventually it probably would start to even out, but idk. Idea seems crazy to me, I don't ever expect it to be that way tho.

It is difficult, as it should be, bad teams shouldn't get rewarded just for being in a weak conference. The reason why the West have stronger teams is because the owners and gm's are doing a much better job than the owners and gm's in the East. If Seattle / OKC can draft Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden and if Clippers can draft Blake Griffin & Deandre Jordan and so on, then their should be no reason why teams in East couldn't do the same. Players will stay and Free Agents will come for reasons like if a team is improving / building a winning culture, money or a mix of both.

Also if we did get rid of conferences and did the 1 through 16, We would get a more true indication of the best teams in the NBA and a true NBA Champion. For example maybe the Cavs wouldn't have made it to the Finals, Maybe the Warriors wouldn't have made it to the finals and would of got knocked out by The Hawks or Bulls and so on, Who knows.

The massive road trips thing, I'm sure the NBA could and would come up with a work around for that.

bballnmike · Post #15 » by **bballnmike** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:51 pm

With no conferences and top 16 teams making it, I do think that's most fair and would help out lottery teams by ensuring the worst 16 picks actually do get the lottery picks.

What I don't like is how much traveling it would involve. Both for the sake of the players resting, but also for fans and the timezone differences when trying to watch games.

I think top 8 in each conferences is a good start for now though. See how it goes from there.

Sort · Post #16 » by **Sort** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:00 pm

Why you should eliminate conferences and go top16 is easy. Look back at last year. The match ups and the playoffs overall would have been so much more entertaining, and that is the purpose of the NBA.

DocRI · Post #17 » by **DocRI** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:02 pm

hoophabit wrote:If conferences were essentially eliminated, wouldn't schedules then need to be balanced for competitive reasons? It surely would result in more travel for the teams.

ImHeisenberg wrote:That would result in massive road trips. I don't know if that would be good for the players health and a comfort.

Which would make this a labor issue, to be negotiated in the next CBA. And the Players Union will NEVER go for it. NEVER. Like the owners won't even try to bring it up, it would be that much of a non-starter.

So we could get into semantics here, but the end result probably won't be too greatly different — the Conferences stay, and therefore the weighted schedules to minimize travel (i.e. Eastern teams play more against Eastern teams, Western versus Western) stay with them, but the 16 teams with the best records make the postseason regardless of Conference and are re-seeded accordingly. Of course, Eastern teams would still have an advantage because the top Western teams will all cannibalize each other by having to play a tougher regular season schedule.

Bottom line, IMHO — this change may not solve all ills, but no system will be perfect and this is a BIG step in the right direction. Was it fair that BKN made the playoffs last year when OKC didn't? Of course not. Was it a bigger deal that the Clippers and the Spurs had to play in the first round? Yes, and that's what this change will hopefully fix.

Warspite · Post #18 » by **Warspite** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:06 pm

Sort wrote:Why you should eliminate conferences and go top16 is easy. Look back at last year. The match ups and the playoffs overall would have been so much more entertaining, and that is the purpose of the NBA.

The purpose of the NBA is to make money.

Shadys idea would make the eastern teams D league affliates of the teams in the west. Since 80% of NBA fans live east of the Mississippi river it would result in a huge decline revenue and thus a huge decline in salary cap which would make it even harder for eastern teams to compete.

To suggest that eastern teams aren't trying and that they are all refusing to pay players is absurd. The reason the east isn't better is because there aren't enough great players and because of the Miami Heat setting the bar so high in the east that most eastern teams decided to to rebuild through the draft because they believe there are more star players in the lottery than FA.

zeebneeb · Post #19 » by **zeebneeb** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:44 am

This isn't even a topic for discussion as it is never going to happen. It's about as likely as the sun exploding say, next tuesday.

Travel issues aside (which is massive)the labor union would never allow it, and every single owner in the east would veto it.

This is the very definition of a non starter. It would not be good for the game as well. There is zero upside to it. Zero. Go back a bit and it was the west that was terrible. These things are cyclical. You have conferences for a reason.

kurtis48239 · Post #20 » by **kurtis48239** » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:23 am

You would still see the same teams year after year,with the exception of 1-2 teams.Which would almost ensure that good players from bad teams would leave for greener pastures,there would be almost no way that you are keeping good players on bad teams,unless maybe the change the rules and you can keep drafted players longer,because you wont find alot of guys wanting to come here (as we stand) if that happens,I dont think you would be seeing teams like ours in the playoffs FOR A LONGGGGGG TIME.If the west/east were more balnced,then maybe,but as for now,iam ok with how everything is.