Bradley Beal - Part II

[DCZards]

One final comment, at least from me, on Wall vs. Reggie Jackson. Sports Illustrated has Wall ranked the #13 overall player in the NBA. Jackson is ranked #94. Here's what SI writes about Jackson.

"Finding something that Jackson, 25, has mastered requires real straining: he’s not an efficient outside shooter, he’s not an above-average finisher in the basket area, he’s not a standout when it comes to drawing fouls, he’s not a plus defender, and he’s not the world’s most natural playmaker for others."

[doclinkin]

Two cautions: 1. Avoid overpaying injury-prone players. (Arenas' deal was something I forewarned against). 2. Avoid paying Beal more than Wall--John already balked on Reggie Jackson getting paid what he did.*

*I think Jackson will prove Wall wrong and he will pay Detroit huge dividends. Jackson is going to blow up and maybe overtake John is my prediction.

Maxing out Beal will very likely preclude John Wall wanting more $$. Team chemistry could be compromised.


"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

If we were to go off your opinion alone, most of the guards in the NBA would have passed John by now.

Let's give a quick refresher on guys who would be better than John according to what you've thought the last few years.

Damian Lillard
Kyrie Irving
Eric Bledsoe
Jeff Teague
Reggie Jackson
Brandon Jennings
Kemba Walker
Jeremy Lin
Kendall Marshall
Michael Carter-Williams
Brandon Knight

I'm sure I missed a few.

Nate Wolters

)

[dobrojim]

while it could happen, I'm skeptical that JWall is going to become resentful if some other
player or players start making more than him. His agent is another story.

Let's remember how happy John was when he got the extension. I'm going to trust
John to keep that in mind going forward. He'll get another bite at the apple eventually.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Two cautions: 1. Avoid overpaying injury-prone players. (Arenas' deal was something I forewarned against). 2. Avoid paying Beal more than Wall--John already balked on Reggie Jackson getting paid what he did.*

*I think Jackson will prove Wall wrong and he will pay Detroit huge dividends. Jackson is going to blow up and maybe overtake John is my prediction.

So if I'm reading you correctly, ccj, you expect Reggie Jackson to "blow up" and become one of the top 5-7 PGs in the NBA.

Jackson averaged 19.7 points and 10.3 assists per 36 minutes, the last 1/3 of the season with Detroit. His PER was 19.8.

I'm not going out on a limb saying he will pay dividends for Detroit. Wall won't be much better IMO. Yes, you read correctly but don't turn this thread about Beal into a fanboy attack thread. My point is Wall deserves more money than Beal.


"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Two cautions: 1. Avoid overpaying injury-prone players. (Arenas' deal was something I forewarned against). 2. Avoid paying Beal more than Wall--John already balked on Reggie Jackson getting paid what he did.*

*I think Jackson will prove Wall wrong and he will pay Detroit huge dividends. Jackson is going to blow up and maybe overtake John is my prediction.

Maxing out Beal will very likely preclude John Wall wanting more $$. Team chemistry could be compromised.


"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

If we were to go off your opinion alone, most of the guards in the NBA would have passed John by now.

Let's give a quick refresher on guys who would be better than John according to what you've thought the last few years.

Damian Lillard
Kyrie Irving
Eric Bledsoe
Jeff Teague
Reggie Jackson
Brandon Jennings
Kemba Walker
Jeremy Lin
Kendall Marshall
Michael Carter-Williams
Brandon Knight

I'm sure I missed a few.

Boogie Cousins is considerably better.

Kirk Cousins IS starting ahead of RG3.

Teague beat Wall in the playoffs and his team had the second best record in the NBA.

You're making up crap and most of the names.

My posts about Beal were great and I say something that WILL be right in time, only you won't say so later.

When the Bucks beat the Wizards this year check MCW vs Wall.

When the Pistons end up with more wins than the Wizards, let's talk.

You pile on but quite frankly what did you say about either Cousins?

Kevin posted about how close Bledsoe and Wall are, but if he says there isn't much difference you're scared and defer. I said it and on that one I'm close if not right.

Also.

All you guys will say I was being negative about Wall because you just couldn't wait to TRY and clown. Predictable. You are hating on me. Especially DCZ. But it's predictable.

I was flat wrong about Lin, Marshall, and Knight. I never said Kemba. Irving when healthy is better. Lillard shoots better.

I like Wall's play last playoffs and hold him in much higher esteem than I did a couple years ago. That said, he hasn't won more than 45 games and he's arguably NOT a superstar.





"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

That felt good. Bottom line is let's see.

I say Jackson will prove worthy and Wall will end up respecting his game.


"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[TGW]

Wall has made you look like a fool, CCJ. Sorry pal...you lost.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wall has made you look like a fool, CCJ. Sorry pal...you lost.

When you point a finger there are three pointing right back at you.

Still haven't forgot the lie, TGW.

You're nothing but a hater.

The ONLY statement I made before you and the other fanboys responded is I think Jackson will blow up and perhaps surpass Wall.

Nothing in that knocked Wall.

"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beal should be offered no more than 70M over 4 years.




"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

while it could happen, I'm skeptical that JWall is going to become resentful if some other
player or players start making more than him. His agent is another story.

Let's remember how happy John was when he got the extension. I'm going to trust
John to keep that in mind going forward. He'll get another bite at the apple eventually.

Jim, I respect this as a valid point.

It's certainly possible that Beal could make more than Wall yet John wouldn't be resentful.

Eventually won't be until 2019 per nate.


"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[DCZards]

Teague beat Wall in the playoffs and his team had the second best record in the NBA.

I like Wall's play last playoffs and hold him in much higher esteem than I did a couple years ago. That said, he hasn't won more than 45 games and he's arguably NOT a superstar.

Your boy Boogie Cousins hasn't even smelled the playoffs and he's yet to win 30 games in a season. And he's arguably NOT a superstar...and definitely not a leader.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Teague beat Wall in the playoffs and his team had the second best record in the NBA.

I like Wall's play last playoffs and hold him in much higher esteem than I did a couple years ago. That said, he hasn't won more than 45 games and he's arguably NOT a superstar.

Your boy Boogie Cousins hasn't even smelled the playoffs and he's yet to win 30 games in a season. And he's arguably NOT a superstar...and definitely not a leader.

Guess what, DCZ? I agree with you!

Boogie's not a superstar. I don't think he's got the bounce and fluidity of a superstar. He's a grinder IMO.

Boogie's not a leader per se, either. He's not in control of his emotions consistently to the point where he's universally respected. He's not a verbal leader, either. How you speak to people is VERY important. Words have the power to build up or to tear down. Great leaders inspire and tend to choose their words carefully, with target audience in mind. Leaders are team builders, too. Boogie has the reputation, deserved or not, of being a coach killer. And as you say, DCZ, he's yet to win 30 games and his team hasn't sniffed the playoffs. What's he leading? Turnovers or personal fouls or technicals (most based on reputation IMO).

I think like John Wall, Boogie Cousins' play DOES inspire and in that respect they're both emerging leaders. Both can ball.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Two cautions: 1. Avoid overpaying injury-prone players. (Arenas' deal was something I forewarned against). 2. Avoid paying Beal more than Wall--John already balked on Reggie Jackson getting paid what he did.*

*I think Jackson will prove Wall wrong and he will pay Detroit huge dividends. Jackson is going to blow up and maybe overtake John is my prediction.

Maxing out Beal will very likely preclude John Wall wanting more $$. Team chemistry could be compromised.


"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

If we were to go off your opinion alone, most of the guards in the NBA would have passed John by now.

Let's give a quick refresher on guys who would be better than John according to what you've thought the last few years.

Damian Lillard
Kyrie Irving
Eric Bledsoe
Jeff Teague
Reggie Jackson
Brandon Jennings
Kemba Walker
Jeremy Lin
Kendall Marshall
Michael Carter-Williams
Brandon Knight

I'm sure I missed a few.

Nate Wolters

)

If your baby producing years go the way mine did with the my ex, you're probably well on your way to producing unit deux, doc.

I still think Nate's going to find his way pon a roster but he's starting to remind me of how I felt about Mike Sweetney and Mo Almond. I just KNEW those guys would tear up the NBA.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Given the choice between Beal walking or Beal staying and being paid more than Wall (temporarily, for the next 3 years), I think Wall would prefer that Beal stay and get overpaid. I'm sure Wall understands that the sudden massive increase in the salary cap will necessarily result in the rapid escalation of salaries.

Noted.

[keynote]

In related news, the Dubs have made a 4 year/$64M offer to Beal's draft classmate Harrison Barnes.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/645753537641644032[/tweet]

The Golden State Warriors delivered forward Harrison Barnes an initial four-year, $64 million contract extension proposal, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The $16 million annual offer wasn’t accepted, but appears to be a starting point in talks that could last until the Oct. 31 deadline for rookie extensions.

The offer of $16 million per year annually – comparable to teammate Draymond Green's five-year, $82.5 million extension this summer – had been negotiated by Barnes' former agent, Jeff Wechsler. After that initial offer, Wechsler countered with a figure north of $16 million annually before he and Barnes parted ways, league sources said. Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports is representing Barnes now.

So, that's another data point. Barnes is an interesting comp: Beal has gaudier stats; Barnes contributed to a ring. Either way, Barnes ain't re-signing on the cheap.

[tontoz]

In related news, the Dubs have made a 4 year/$64M offer to Beal's draft classmate Harrison Barnes.

So, that's another data point. Barnes is an interesting comp: Beal has gaudier stats; Barnes contributed to a ring. Either way, Barnes ain't re-signing on the cheap.

Then they should let him walk. Barnes isn't that good. He is an ok role player in the right system. That's all. No reason for them to bid against themselves.

[nate33]

In related news, the Dubs have made a 4 year/$64M offer to Beal's draft classmate Harrison Barnes.

So, that's another data point. Barnes is an interesting comp: Beal has gaudier stats; Barnes contributed to a ring. Either way, Barnes ain't re-signing on the cheap.

Then they should let him walk. Barnes isn't that good. He is an ok role player in the right system. That's all. No reason for them to bid against themselves.

The next two offseasons are going to be really strange. Yes, you are right that in the abstract, a guy like Harrison Barnes is not worth $16M+ a year. But over the next two seasons, nearly every starting caliber player who comes up for free agency is likely to get that much because every team has $20-30M in cap room and every free agent is going to get caught in a bidding war. If Golden State lets him go, there won't be any cheap replacements available unless they pick from the bottom of the barrel - a guy like Alonzo Gee perhaps.

Sanity won't return until 2018 when the cap is expected to drop from $108M to $100M at a time when teams have just spent the last two seasons overpaying average starters. So if you have the discipline to sit out the next two offseasons in the name of fiscal restraint, that may be a prudent long term decision, but it will mean 2 seasons where you really aren't maximizing your potential to win.

Fortunately, the Wizards might emerge from the next two offseasons without too much damage. Beal is sure to get overpaid, but the rest of our money will go to Durant, who can't be overpaid even at a max salary. Porter's free agency year in 2017 will be interesting. We might lose him.

[Ruzious]

In related news, the Dubs have made a 4 year/$64M offer to Beal's draft classmate Harrison Barnes.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/645753537641644032[/tweet]

The Golden State Warriors delivered forward Harrison Barnes an initial four-year, $64 million contract extension proposal, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The $16 million annual offer wasn’t accepted, but appears to be a starting point in talks that could last until the Oct. 31 deadline for rookie extensions.

The offer of $16 million per year annually – comparable to teammate Draymond Green's five-year, $82.5 million extension this summer – had been negotiated by Barnes' former agent, Jeff Wechsler. After that initial offer, Wechsler countered with a figure north of $16 million annually before he and Barnes parted ways, league sources said. Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports is representing Barnes now.

So, that's another data point. Barnes is an interesting comp: Beal has gaudier stats; Barnes contributed to a ring. Either way, Barnes ain't re-signing on the cheap.

That's a reality check. Those checks are going to absurdly large - as opposed to large Czecks like Satoransky and Vesely. Check?

I think most teams would probably rate Beal at least as high as Barnes - probably a bit higher. So it gives you at least some idea of what it'll take to sign Beal. And what the Wiz brain-trust has to do now is determine what their best options are in the context of building a championship contender.

[Higga]

Christ thats a lot of $ for Barnes. Beal is a much better player, he's going to get a max easy(although as I said if he stays healthy he'd be deserving of it).

But man NBA ballers are gonna get stupid rich next summer. I don't mind the stars getting paid but role players are gonna be banking in $15+ Mil a year. Crazy.

[Induveca]

Christ thats a lot of $ for Barnes. Beal is a much better player, he's going to get a max easy(although as I said if he stays healthy he'd be deserving of it).

But man NBA ballers are gonna get stupid rich next summer. I don't mind the stars getting paid but role players are gonna be banking in $15+ Mil a year. Crazy.

They deserve every penny, the new television contract wouldn't have happened without them.