Would you trade KCP straight up for Mitch McGary?

[Eoghan]

Pretty tough one. I'm inclined to play it safe as Detroit can't really risk losing a wing defender while they already have a decent stable of bigs. Ultimately though, I'm a McGary fan and I talked myself into voting yes.

I see Ilyasova as a stop-gap and Aron Baynes and Joel Anthony as... Aron Baynes and Joel Anthony. Ersan's the better fit now but McGary can surpass him with his great passing and court vision. McGary has the potential to be an elite set-up guy and Drummond is an elite finisher. McGary plays very smart and with Reggie, Stanley and Drummond getting the lion's share of the offense I think McGary would be excellent as an unselfish cog. Defensively, he's not great. But he's not terrible either, he's generally in the right place at the right time and he's not afraid to hard-foul a guy, sneaky shot blocker.

So if I thought I could move Jennings and a superfluous big to find a 2/3 that can replace KCP somewhat, I would make the trade.

[Pharaoh]

I think KCP on the wing is worth more than another back up big

KCP, combined with SJ on the defensive end could be awesome! 2 way players are hard to find and KCP has shown flashes of being extremely good.

[Blkbrd671]

I think KCP on the wing is worth more than another back up big

KCP, combined with SJ on the defensive end could be awesome! 2 way players are hard to find and KCP has shown flashes of being extremely good.

Defense is almost forgotten about when evaluting players and even at that, its still not valued. Its 50% of the game and theirs more of a correlation between defense and championships than offense.

[A_dub06]

I'm actually surprised this was suggested. KCP is more valuable to us although at this point I wouldn't say one is better than the other. I feel it would be foolish to trade for an equal prospect while creating an obvious hole at the 2 (unless you want SJ primarily played there which I certainly don't).

[tmorgan]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

I actually really like Ilyasova, but he's definitely a health risk. So is McGary, but he's much younger, too. I think he'll get it together and prove himself a valuable bench big this season, and will be starting somewhere a few years down the road (maybe OKC if Durant leaves and they decide to rebuild so Ibaka leaves, too).

[Blkbrd671]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

I actually really like Ilyasova, but he's definitely a health risk. So is McGary, but he's much younger, too. I think he'll get it together and prove himself a valuable bench big this season, and will be starting somewhere a few years down the road (maybe OKC if Durant leaves and they decide to rebuild so Ibaka leaves, too).

I don't think illy's as much of a health risk as most are making it out to be, i think its more a product of bad luck than, he has a long term injuries.

Also i don't think anyones against acquiring mcgary, its acquiring him at the expense of KCP. Really doesn't make sense imo.

[Blkbrd671]

I'm actually surprised this was suggested. KCP is more valuable to us although at this point I wouldn't say one is better than the other. I feel it would be foolish to trade for an equal prospect while creating an obvious hole at the 2 (unless you want SJ primarily played there which I certainly don't).

Equal prospects? How can you even evaluate when mcgary hasn't played many games?

[Spider156]

KCP plays strong defense, runs the floor, good shooter. He's proved he can play at a high level. The only knock there is on him is consistency. I think his ball handling skills need work if he's going to be more dynamic than a catch and shoot player. However, I believe it's more important to be great at shooting than good at dribbling knowing we have Jackson and Johnson that can handle the ball handling. I think Johnson's underrated skill is his ball handling which I also think will be the one thing to take him and us to the next level. Yes Stan runs a PG dominant offense but I think Stanley can become the next go to player on the team.

I don't think KCP will become any better than the player he is now. To rephrase that, I think he'll be a very solid player and I think eventually he'll gain the consistency to produce in every game. In that sense, he'll be a better player but I don't think we'll see a transformation in his game only increased consistency/production. You can win a championship with him starting at SG.

[GFeld]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

i wouldn't go after McGary anyway, he just doesn't fit. i would go on a trade for a guy like Mirotic, which fit perfect to Stan system.
if McGary wasn't from Michigan, would you suggest this trade?

[tmorgan]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

i wouldn't go after McGary anyway, he just doesn't fit. i would go on a trade for a guy like Mirotic, which fit perfect to Stan system.
if McGary wasn't from Michigan, would you suggest this trade?

Yes, I honestly would. I don't think everyone realizes how truly skilled McGary is, and how athletic he is as well. Definitely an above-average athlete for an NBA 4 (nowhere near elite... that's not what I'm saying), and he's a very good passer and sees the floor. He can also shoot a little, his defense is OK, and he's a helluva teammate (super enthusiastic).

He's a good player. He'll get his chance eventually.

And just so we're clear, it's not Michigan bias. I didn't want Burke -- I knew he'd suck. I didn't want THJ -- I knew he was a chucker with a weak all-around game. I knew GRob wasn't ready and wouldn't amount to much, and I'm pretty skeptical of Levert, too -- wouldn't touch him in the first round. I *did* want Stauskas, but I knew he'd take at least a few years to become a solid player. I still think that.

[tmorgan]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

i wouldn't go after McGary anyway, he just doesn't fit. i would go on a trade for a guy like Mirotic, which fit perfect to Stan system.
if McGary wasn't from Michigan, would you suggest this trade?

Yes, I honestly would. I don't think everyone realizes how truly skilled McGary is, and how athletic he is as well. Definitely an above-average athlete for an NBA 4 (nowhere near elite... that's not what I'm saying), and he's a very good passer and sees the floor. He can also shoot a little, his defense is OK, and he's a helluva teammate (super enthusiastic).

He's a good player. He'll get his chance eventually.

And just so we're clear, it's not Michigan bias. I didn't want Burke -- I knew he'd suck. I didn't want THJ -- I knew he was a chucker with a weak all-around game. I knew GRob wasn't ready and wouldn't amount to much, and I'm pretty skeptical of Levert, too -- wouldn't touch him in the first round. I *did* want Stauskas, but I knew he'd take at least a few years to become a solid player. I still think that.

Oh, and I forgot to add -- of course I'd prefer Mirotic. You couldn't get Mirotic for KCP, even if the Bulls had a gaping hole at the 2 (which they don't).

[Blkbrd671]

KCP plays strong defense, runs the floor, good shooter. He's proved he can play at a high level. The only knock there is on him is consistency. I think his ball handling skills need work if he's going to be more dynamic than a catch and shoot player. However, I believe it's more important to be great at shooting than good at dribbling knowing we have Jackson and Johnson that can handle the ball handling. I think Johnson's underrated skill is his ball handling which I also think will be the one thing to take him and us to the next level. Yes Stan runs a PG dominant offense but I think Stanley can become the next go to player on the team.

I don't think KCP will become any better than the player he is now. To rephrase that, I think he'll be a very solid player and I think eventually he'll gain the consistency to produce in every game. In that sense, he'll be a better player but I don't think we'll see a transformation in his game only increased consistency/production. You can win a championship with him starting at SG.

i think KCP showed clear progress last year. I think what your eluding to is that he'll become better at what he already does but he's pretty much the player he's going to be the same type of player for the remainder of his career in terms of skillset. I'd disagree, soley on the fact that KCP showed a improved handle last year, and i mean significant, he attacked the rim more at the end of the season and seems to be settling in. and his defensive technique was much improved, though it could be better.

If what your indicating does happen, i still think that the answers no to mcgary. I'd be more inclined to lean towards this trade at dec 15 if KCP continues to struggle and Mcgary shows obvious potential. I still question his defense on the perimeter, as a viable long term solution.

[A_dub06]

I'm actually surprised this was suggested. KCP is more valuable to us although at this point I wouldn't say one is better than the other. I feel it would be foolish to trade for an equal prospect while creating an obvious hole at the 2 (unless you want SJ primarily played there which I certainly don't).

Equal prospects? How can you even evaluate when mcgary hasn't played many games?

"I wouldn't say one is better than the other" - opinion


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[Pharaoh]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

I actually really like Ilyasova, but he's definitely a health risk. So is McGary, but he's much younger, too. I think he'll get it together and prove himself a valuable bench big this season, and will be starting somewhere a few years down the road (maybe OKC if Durant leaves and they decide to rebuild so Ibaka leaves, too).

I wouldn't trade away a player I see as a core piece because Illy was injured.

IF that scenario happened I'd probably start Morris at the 4 & SJ at the 3 spot...

Or roll out Dre & Baynes with Morris at the 3 with SJ off the bench

Or go with Tolly and Morris with SJ off the bench

I see no scenario where I would trade KCP for McGary because I view KCP as part of the core 4, the Four Horsemen, a starter on a very good team.

I don't believe McGary fits alongside Dre. I don't believe he fits the system

[Redeemed]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

I actually really like Ilyasova, but he's definitely a health risk. So is McGary, but he's much younger, too. I think he'll get it together and prove himself a valuable bench big this season, and will be starting somewhere a few years down the road (maybe OKC if Durant leaves and they decide to rebuild so Ibaka leaves, too).

I wouldn't trade away a player I see as a core piece because Illy was injured.

IF that scenario happened I'd probably start Morris at the 4 & SJ at the 3 spot...

Or roll out Dre & Baynes with Morris at the 3 with SJ off the bench

Or go with Tolly and Morris with SJ off the bench

I see no scenario where I would trade KCP for McGary because I view KCP as part of the core 4, the Four Horsemen, a starter on a very good team.

I don't believe McGary fits alongside Dre. I don't believe he fits the system

^^THIS

[coordinator0]

Suppose the worst happens and we find out on opening night that Ersan needs back surgery. Would that change anyone's mind?

I actually really like Ilyasova, but he's definitely a health risk. So is McGary, but he's much younger, too. I think he'll get it together and prove himself a valuable bench big this season, and will be starting somewhere a few years down the road (maybe OKC if Durant leaves and they decide to rebuild so Ibaka leaves, too).

For me that wouldn't make much of a difference. I agree with Spider165 about Caldwell-Pope's not getting much more dynamic than what it already is, but just adding consistency to it as me matures would still be huge. Wings who play defense and shoot threes are something I value a lot so that plays into it, but adding that with a playmaking wing like Johnson figures to be is an ideal pairing.

If Ilyasova goes down the need for a body at power forward still wouldn't make McGary any better of a fit. With this team's makeup and their unlikely ability to add the bigger fish in free agency I think they need more of a versatile scorer at power forward than anything else. McGary is in that team glue guy mold in my opinion and not much of a complementary scorer (or defender for that matter). A piece that can help a team win for sure, but not a fit for the Pistons with who they seem to be building around and the system they're doing it in.

[tmorgan]

Fair enough. I disagree, but bow to popular sentiment.

[Blkbrd671]

"I wouldn't say one is better than the other" - opinion

I'd like to see that evaluation

[Spider156]

KCP plays strong defense, runs the floor, good shooter. He's proved he can play at a high level. The only knock there is on him is consistency. I think his ball handling skills need work if he's going to be more dynamic than a catch and shoot player. However, I believe it's more important to be great at shooting than good at dribbling knowing we have Jackson and Johnson that can handle the ball handling. I think Johnson's underrated skill is his ball handling which I also think will be the one thing to take him and us to the next level. Yes Stan runs a PG dominant offense but I think Stanley can become the next go to player on the team.

I don't think KCP will become any better than the player he is now. To rephrase that, I think he'll be a very solid player and I think eventually he'll gain the consistency to produce in every game. In that sense, he'll be a better player but I don't think we'll see a transformation in his game only increased consistency/production. You can win a championship with him starting at SG.

i think KCP showed clear progress last year. I think what your eluding to is that he'll become better at what he already does but he's pretty much the player he's going to be the same type of player for the remainder of his career in terms of skillset. I'd disagree, soley on the fact that KCP showed a improved handle last year, and i mean significant, he attacked the rim more at the end of the season and seems to be settling in. and his defensive technique was much improved, though it could be better.

If what your indicating does happen, i still think that the answers no to mcgary. I'd be more inclined to lean towards this trade at dec 15 if KCP continues to struggle and Mcgary shows obvious potential. I still question his defense on the perimeter, as a viable long term solution.

I think this season will show his growth more than the last. This year he'll have 3 shooters around him (Jackson isn't a bad shooter). That alone should open up the lanes for him too. So we'll see where he is as far as driving in and finishing, not necessarily at the rim. I think Jackson and Johnson will do a good job of that going forward. I think KCP's defense is great as it is. The thing with defense is the whole is greater than the sum of the parts meaning team defense makes a big difference. If you have good team defense, you'll have better one on one coverage but not the other way around. So in my opinion, I think KCP's defense will be as good as the team's defense.