Bellator 142, Sep. 19: McGeary/Tito, 1 Night LHW Tourney

[cowboyronnie]

One of the worst part about bellator is the terrible, let me bang bro, just bleed crowds. Fights with like 10 knockdowns, doesn't matter, still booing.
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San Jose, yeah? Never been but infamous as the land of dudebros.

[cowboyronnie]

Just watching this now.

God damn, no one more unlikeable than Tito. McGeary seems like a real ****, I wish him nothing but ill. But he really needs to step-up here. If you take on Tito, you owe justice and humanity to deliver a vicious beating. Please please eff that dude up, Liam.

[cowboyronnie]

The kickboxing portions were meh to me and dragged. It would have been better if they had actual good glory fighters in the ring imo, I mean they only had one legit glory fight right?

I wouldn't know them from Jo Blo (but I thought the HW fight was for the title). Even with the best, I probably would have fast-forwarded if there wasn't a quick ko. I have a short-attention span for non MMA combat sports. In my brain I just can't accept you're not allowed to take a fight to the ground. Just like in my brain I can't accept that a jj practitioner or wrestler can't strike, or a boxer can't kick or do just about anything else besides punch in one direction with big puffy gloves on. It seems so arbitrary and incomplete after watching MMA. I used to be able to enjoy boxing and occasionally kickboxing, but MMA really killed those sports for me. BJJ and wrestling are fun to do, but not to watch, IMO.

Or that an MMA fighter can't eye-gouge or break fingers or headbutt or stomp your head after you go out.

watching snuff films killed MMA for me.

[cowboyronnie]

100% rooting for Tito here. Just because I'm the type of dude who likes to watch the world burn.

Contrarian assh0le

LOL, Tito's deference to McGeary was all about Tito. The subtext to everythign he said was him being great.

He's such a prick.

[Bernman]

:roll: Or that an MMA fighter can't eye-gouge or break fingers or headbutt or stomp your head after you go out.

watching snuff films killed MMA for me.

Allowing wrestling, subs, gnp, kicking, and knees between consenting parties isn't in any way analagous to murder and rape here. The former are reasonable inclusions in a sport fight to answer the question who is better. I don't see how purely punching people (and not even with backhands) with puffy gloves goes very far in determining that. Watch and be entertained by what you want, and you shouldn't take it personal that I don't, but it doesn't do anything for me anymore once I found the one sport that I need to satisfy my curiosity. That's the max I'll watch, if that even continues in the future. Like I shared I had my crisis of conscience with even one combat sport. The irony here is I'm not getting off on blood lust, like a person who watched all combat sports could be. I have the opposite mentality of a person with blood lust. They're watching everything where people get destroyed. I just like sports, and MMA is the ultimate one in the fight realm, which doesn't exceed the bounds of unreasonableness. We suspect it ends up ruining many a life in the long run, but we already know that about boxing and kickboxing.

[cowboyronnie]

:roll: Or that an MMA fighter can't eye-gouge or break fingers or headbutt or stomp your head after you go out.

watching snuff films killed MMA for me.

Allowing wrestling, subs, gnp, kicking, and knees between consenting parties isn't in any way analagous to murder and rape here. The former are reasonable inclusions in a sport fight to answer the question who is better. I don't see how purely punching people (and not even with backhands) with puffy gloves goes very far in determining that. Watch and be entertained by what you want, and you shouldn't take it personal that I don't, but it doesn't do anything for me anymore once I found the one sport that I need to satisfy my curiosity. That's the max I'll watch, if that even continues in the future. Like I shared I had my crisis of conscience with even one combat sport. The irony here is I'm not getting off on blood lust, like a person who watched all combat sports could be. I have the opposite mentality of a person with blood lust. They're watching everything where people get destroyed. I just like sports, and MMA is the ultimate one in the fight realm, which doesn't exceed the bounds of unreasonableness. We suspect it ends up ruining many a life in the long run, but we already know that about boxing and kickboxing.

Dividing an athlete's ability to master any discipline by 3-5.

Liam McGeary, for example, has terrible kickboxing. And has been practicing the "sport" for only a few years. The fact he could shoot a half-assed takedown on prime Mike Tyson and beat him an MMA fight, makes him no more "ultimate" a sportsman. Nor MMA more ultimate a sport.

McGeary is world-class at nothing. And, yet, world-class at MMA. Says everything. Being a brown belt at three things makes you a striped-black in MMA. How ridiculous is that? McGeary has 6 years experience, for Christ's sake.

A collegiate steeplechaser could beat Usain Bolt at the steeplechase. Mediocre, undeveloped athletes.

Your comment about attention-span is the real source of MMA's popularity.

[cowboyronnie]

I wonder about that Davis punch, yeah? He's never KOd anyone. I think it's sort of that he throws super disciplined, straight punches usually but happened to have to reach for that one, and therefore whip it from the hip. I think it's sort of a combination of that and Carmont being a 170er (yeah?).

[cowboyronnie]

Tito has 18 wins, 12 losses. Subtract those back-to-back Ken wins as WWE-caliber matchmaking and the Schlemenko win. I'm not good at math but that's getting him to a mediocre record.

Let's also subtract every win achieved while Mercury is in retrograde or during months that started on a weekend. Just cos, wtf. Without math, I'd bet he's _.500. Phil Baroni with better management.

[Bernman]

Dividing an athlete's ability to master any discipline by 3-5.

Liam McGeary, for example, has terrible kickboxing. And has been practicing the "sport" for only a few years. The fact he could shoot a half-assed takedown on prime Mike Tyson and beat him an MMA fight, makes him no more "ultimate" a sportsman. Nor MMA more ultimate a sport.

McGeary is world-class at nothing. And, yet, world-class at MMA. Says everything. Being a brown belt at three things makes you a striped-black in MMA. How ridiculous is that? McGeary has 6 years experience, for Christ's sake.

A collegiate steeplechaser could beat Usain Bolt at the steeplechase. Mediocre, undeveloped athletes.

Your comment about attention-span is the real source of MMA's popularity.

I have no attention span for other combat sports because I don't really care. I used to have attention span for boxing because I used to care, before MMA. Has nothing to do with a general short attention span. Do you have a lengthy attention span for things you don't care about? I doubt it, because there would be no point.

I don't see anything wrong with not having to be elite in any discipline to be really good in MMA. It's about the totality of your athletic, skill, and intangible gifts. In real life, with reasonable limitations, that's what would determine who honorably won a fight. Ball kicking isn't honorable between men and if you stomp someone's head into the ground it's likely you're going to prison. Prison is for losers in life.

Anyways, don't agree about the assessment of McGeary's skills in individual disciplines. Are you basing McGeary's muay thai ability on 30 seconds in one fight? He does put together precise enuogh boxing combos, set up kicks, work knees well from the plum, and elbows from the clinch from previous fights. All his techniques are sharp as well. And judging stand-up in MMA vs. say Glory is apples and oranges when factoring in the threat both ways of grappling. I also think McGeary has a nasty bottom game wherever. He's a huge threat from being side mounted, that's unique. Some people are innate or ingrained geniuses in a certain type of thinking or movement. They can be in a sport or field for 6 years or less and do things a person who spent a whole lifetime at it can't. It's no different from Olajuwon in basketball or a 4-year old piano prodigy. It doesn't invalidate those disciplines. I'm quite sure there are quick study boxers and kickboxers also.

[REDDzone]

100% rooting for Tito here. Just because I'm the type of dude who likes to watch the world burn.

Contrarian assh0le

LOL, Tito's deference to McGeary was all about Tito. The subtext to everythign he said was him being great.

He's such a prick.

There is something charming about Tito to me, man. IDK what it is. I'm not sure that I've ever seen or heard of someone so oblivious. Ariel and other media talk about him like he is someone who is just great at marketing and all this, I really do think this is who he really is and he is just so out there / out of touch and doesn't get it.

They talk the same way about Nick, like its all an act, some marketing ploy to bring in fans that either love them or hate them. Its just who these guys are in real life imo. The Chaels and Conors of the world, the dudes who appeal to the wwf fans, that is a more recent phenomenon.

[REDDzone]

I wonder about that Davis punch, yeah? He's never KOd anyone. I think it's sort of that he throws super disciplined, straight punches usually but happened to have to reach for that one, and therefore whip it from the hip. I think it's sort of a combination of that and Carmont being a 170er (yeah?).

True 185er. Lol 170 would just be ridiculous vs Davis.

[REDDzone]

Tito has 18 wins, 12 losses. Subtract those back-to-back Ken wins as WWE-caliber matchmaking and the Schlemenko win. I'm not good at math but that's getting him to a mediocre record.

Let's also subtract every win achieved while Mercury is in retrograde or during months that started on a weekend. Just cos, wtf. Without math, I'd bet he's _.500. Phil Baroni with better management.

Yet at the same time there has to be some respect there for his longevity. He first appeared in UFC 13 and subbed Bader at UFC 132. IDK.

[ShowtimeFan]

McGeary is ok with me, I mean he has beaten everyone they put in front of him

[Jasen777]

TV numbers were a little disappointing.