Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

LukasBMW · Post #1241 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:46 am

Lol. Come on people. Bennett can't get playing time on the Wolves. The Wolves. He's a bust. Beasley would mop the floor with him.

As for buying out Keef, we don't have to. If he's convicted, we can void his deal. If he's not convicted, we can trade him.

Saberestar · Post #1242 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:05 am

After returning to Phoenix last week, Markieff Morris stayed in town and was spotted working out at GCU, where Dan Majerle is head coach.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcoro/status/646105023009583104

Years90Suns · Post #1243 » by **Years90Suns** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:02 am

Safety Pickle wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Some of the Suns promotional tactics the past few years have been embarrassing. The worst was that guarantee you have fun or get your money back game in the 2012/13 season. This offseason, so much emphasis is being put on new uniforms, the change of the court, and the WeArePHX thing. It is pointless. You want fans? Put a good product on the court that fans can get excited about. Instead of fans preparing for a new season, everyone is wondering what Markieff is going to do on media day. It is awful. These promotions are the sign of a desperate organization struggling with its fan base. This has been the worst five year stretch in franchise history. Chances are good that the Suns will miss the playoffs once again this coming season. There are also ZERO fan favorites on the team. I am sure half the fans out there would not care if any of these players are traded. Dark time for the Suns.

I think that is why many fans, including myself, are put off by this video with Nash narrating. It shows so many great players that left the team on bad terms. Worst of all is that its release coincided with the announcement that Nash took a job with the Warriors. So all these players everyone loved from the SSOL teams and KJ/Barkley years have zero affiliation with the team. Why bring it up? Stop living in the past. Videos like that do not get me excited for the season. They make me relive how many terrible moves this team has made for the past ten years letting those players go.

Nash didn't leave on bad terms, neither did Amare. What great players are you talking about?

Former players involved in the organization are not always a good idea.
They were great players, but that is not a guarantee that they will be good at translating their experience into something profitable for the franchise.
Not all former players are good at player developing, staff positions or even stats analysis or simply, stats writing or whatever.

I love Charles, but I do not think he would be good for the organization.
And... as we are seeing with Hornacek, I do not think all good former players are good for coaching. Much less as head coaches.

RunDogGun · Post #1244 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:06 am

LukasBMW wrote:Lol. Come on people. Bennett can't get playing time on the Wolves. The Wolves. He's a bust. Beasley would mop the floor with him.

As for buying out Keef, we don't have to. If he's convicted, we can void his deal. If he's not convicted, we can trade him.

You do realize that they started Thad Young for 48 games and traded him for Garnett. The day after the trade deadline, they played us. Bennett started that game and was injured after eight minutes of play. He only returned for a few games the rest of the season.

But I'm sure you knew all of that before you laughed at us, right? :roll:

NavLDO · Post #1245 » by **NavLDO** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:44 pm

Spoiler:

letsgosuns wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Everyone keeps mentioning how they don't get all the hate, but I don't see a bunch of hate. I just see a bunch of people saying they don't get all the hate. I mean, we know how Burning Heart feels, but he hasn't been around in a while. Other than that, where is all this hate you all speak of? I think one person said he's dead to them.

Umm...

SunsFanSSOL wrote:No. Nash's kids lived with his ex-wife (they allegedly got divorced because Nash cheated on her with an ASU student who is his current girlfriend and she cheated on Nash with JRich) in Phoenix. Nash asked to be traded to the Lakers so "he could be close to his kids in Phoenix" (BS he wanted to contend with Kobe). His ex tried to move to LA so the kids would be even closer. Nash went to court to try to block the kids from moving to LA and lost. Now they live in LA with him part time. Nash will never be affiliated with the Suns again, his ROH ceremony will probably be the first and last time he is in Phoenix on Suns related business. I bet to film that video they took their whole crew to him in LA instead of him coming to Phoenix. Nash has no loyalty to the Suns and all his old buddies are gone.

That video is pathetic and makes me embarrassed as a Suns fan to be honest especially given the timing of the video with the Nash/Warriors hire. Suns look like a joke once again parading around a guy saying "We are PHX" (stupid slogan btw) who has no loyalty to the team and even works for another team. None of the big 3 from the SSOL era (Nash, Amare or Marion) will even be affiliated with this organization again the way other teams appreciate their greats. I hate the Warriors more than the Lakers, all they are is a rip off of the Suns that works and is beloved by everyone in the media and shoved in our faces 24/7. Nash isn't going to be on the bench with the Warriors, he will barely even show up to any games. All he's going to do is drop in on practices every now and then and help them out in the off-season like he's been doing with Clarkson and Russell or like Hakeem does with every player. He could have done the same for the Suns, he probably just didn't want to.

...and then there is...

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Nash has never been loyal. He left a consistent 50+ win Mavs team with his best friend Dirk to join a 29 win Suns team because we offered him more money. Barkley would have been a better option for the video, he still calls the Suns his team and lives in PHX.

...and as you mentioned...

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Nash was dead to me the minute he went to the Lakers.

...plus...

letsgosuns wrote:Like SunsFanSSOL, I was also disappointed Nash went to the Lakers. I could not believe it when it happened. I remember thinking he was going to go back to Dallas or go to NY with Amare. When I saw the breaking news at the time that he was signing with the Lakers I was flabbergasted. Since then, I never felt the same way about Nash. I really do not care about him ever coming back and working with the Suns. Yes he provided the organization with some of the greatest years in franchise history, but he never won more than two WCF games. I still consider Barkley the all-time greatest Sun and it is honestly not even close.

So, that's three separate quotes by one poster, and a 4th from another...hence, all the 'hate'...just because it was one poster, when said three separate times, that, to me, is a lot of 'hate'.

You are confusing being disappointed that Nash went to the Lakers with hate. Just like I said in that post, I was disappointed that Nash went to the Lakers. I understand it was his right as a player to go wherever he wanted. However, it was also my right as a fan to be disappointed he chose the Lakers. And it is true, I never felt the same way about Nash after that, but you saying I hate him is totally off base. I just never thought he would be the kind of player to sign with the ultimate rival and chase a ring, which is what he did. That Lakers team even prior to acquiring Howard was an absolute powerhouse team on paper and title contender if healthy. Kobe and Gasol were still unstoppable then. Also those things I stated are facts. Nash never made it out of the WCF. Barkley at least took the Suns to the finals. Plus I believe the city was behind the Barkley Suns teams more than any other Suns teams.

As far as me not caring if Nash ever comes back and works with the Suns, so what. I do not care if he comes back to the Suns. What is the big deal. What does that have to do with hate? All I said was I do not care if he comes back or not. I did not say I do not want him coming back. I would welcome him if he came back. I just do not care if it happens.

TBH, I wasn't really using 'hate' in the truest sense of the word...it's a phrase...no ones says "I don't know what all the disappointment is about"...so yes, 'hate' is a strong word to use, but my point was just as you alluded--I really don't understand why fans hold any kind of grudge, disappointment, hate, etc. over him going to the Lakers. But just because I don't 'understand' or 'agree', doesn't mean I'm right; so I do get that fact.

garrick · Post #1246 » by **garrick** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:25 pm

According to the wiretap only three teams have salary space for Benett's 5.8 mil salary and we are not one of them.
Is it even possible to even sign him if we can't unload Markeif? How far under the cap are we?

Guest · Post #1247 » by **Guest** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:32 pm

[quote="garrick"]According to the wiretap only three teams have salary space for Benett's 5.8 mil salary and we are not one of them.
Is it even possible to even sign him if we can't unload Markeif? How far under the cap are we?[/quote]
We're 4 million over the cap, so even if we trade Keef for nothing, we wouldn't be able to claim Bennett off waivers, but I don't think any team is stupid enough to claim him off waivers anyway. If he clears waivers, I wouldn't mind signing him for next to nothing to take a shot on him. Personally, I don't consider any first round draft pick a bust until they've played at least 3-4 years.

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JacobHoward · Post #1248 » by **JacobHoward** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:32 pm

garrick wrote:According to the wiretap only three teams have salary space for Benett's 5.8 mil salary and we are not one of them.
Is it even possible to even sign him if we can't unload Markeif? How far under the cap are we?

We're 4 million over the cap, so even if we trade Keef for nothing, we wouldn't be able to claim Bennett off waivers, but I don't think any team is stupid enough to claim him off waivers anyway. If he clears waivers, I wouldn't mind signing him for next to nothing to take a shot on him. Personally, I don't consider any first round draft pick a bust until they've played at least 3-4 years.

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Frank Lee · Post #1249 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:54 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:What are the possibilities of buying MoBro out? And what are the cap hits if so?

Why? He is not a bad player, just immature and pissed. I'm sure other teams would take on his contract, even if he is coming off the bench.

On the heals of paying off Beasley and Childress, I just don't see us eating $32 million.

You buy him out you don't eat 32 mil, but I think it still counts on the cap.... from my understanding.

I just don't see Queen LaKeefa being anything but a distraction and if this FO tries to embrace him, it will be under false pretenses. Nut up and sequester the punk. The judge is the only one in phoenix who needs to see him. No doubt the FO boys are biting their tongues considering the cryin Ryan displayed when Dragic eye poked him.

Saberestar · Post #1250 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:56 pm

Sonny Weems' dunk rips down rim in Suns workouts

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2015/09/22/sonny-weems-dunk-rips-down-rim-suns-workouts/72621132/

LukasBMW · Post #1251 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:17 pm

Apparently a few teams are interested in Bennett and we are not one of them.

I'd rather have a disgruntled Keef. Bennett is not Larry Johnson junior.

LukasBMW · Post #1252 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:20 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pvrcaxx

Frank Lee · Post #1253 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:32 pm

Kweef likely will be welcomed here by the players, and sheepishly by the coaches.... The FO will explain to him to be traded he has to ball up and remove this negative halo he has created... and get the legal issues settled. Take the suspension and STFU if he can then all parties can pursue a trade. ...if he can't, then he will be asked to stay away as in suspended by the 'team' if they have the Ballz. ... Hopefully by that time... things will be rocky in Cleveland, Knight and Weems will be playing well, and the Suns can dangle Bled and Keef for Love...... plan B ? Bled and Keff for Melo.

McDonut and the marketing department need a big splashy.

JacobHoward · Post #1254 » by **JacobHoward** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:35 pm

LukasBMW wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pvrcaxx

Hasn't Bennett's buyout been completed?

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TeamTragic · Post #1255 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:05 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Kweef likely will be welcomed here by the players, and sheepishly by the coaches.... The FO will explain to him to be traded he has to ball up and remove this negative halo he has created... and get the legal issues settled. Take the suspension and STFU if he can then all parties can pursue a trade. ...if he can't, then he will be asked to stay away as in suspended by the 'team' if they have the Ballz. ... Hopefully by that time... things will be rocky in Cleveland, Knight and Weems will be playing well, and the Suns can dangle Bled and Keef for Love...... plan B ? Bled and Keff for Melo.

McDonut and the marketing department need a big splashy.

Bled and Kieff for Melo? Why would we dump Bled to get rid of Kieff?

RunDogGun · Post #1256 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:16 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:What are the possibilities of buying MoBro out? And what are the cap hits if so?

Why? He is not a bad player, just immature and pissed. I'm sure other teams would take on his contract, even if he is coming off the bench.

On the heals of paying off Beasley and Childress, I just don't see us eating $32 million.

You buy him out you don't eat 32 mil, but I think it still counts on the cap.... from my understanding.

He has four years left on his deal, how would we not be eating so much money if we buy him out? I think he is more valuable in a trade.

RunDogGun · Post #1257 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:21 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Apparently a few teams are interested in Bennett and we are not one of them.

I'd rather have a disgruntled Keef. Bennett is not Larry Johnson junior.

Because this front office has made their wants public? I'm not saying we are going for him, or even should go for him, but your negativity towards him is silly.

RunDogGun · Post #1258 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:25 pm

LukasBMW wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pvrcaxx

They don't need anymore PFs.

RunDogGun · Post #1259 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:26 pm

JacobHoward wrote:
garrick wrote:According to the wiretap only three teams have salary space for Benett's 5.8 mil salary and we are not one of them.
Is it even possible to even sign him if we can't unload Markeif? How far under the cap are we?

We're 4 million over the cap, so even if we trade Keef for nothing, we wouldn't be able to claim Bennett off waivers, but I don't think any team is stupid enough to claim him off waivers anyway. If he clears waivers, I wouldn't mind signing him for next to nothing to take a shot on him. Personally, I don't consider any first round draft pick a bust until they've played at least 3-4 years.

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Aren't they buying him out? Why would he be on waivers?

JacobHoward · Post #1260 » by **JacobHoward** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:32 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
JacobHoward wrote:
garrick wrote:According to the wiretap only three teams have salary space for Benett's 5.8 mil salary and we are not one of them.
Is it even possible to even sign him if we can't unload Markeif? How far under the cap are we?

We're 4 million over the cap, so even if we trade Keef for nothing, we wouldn't be able to claim Bennett off waivers, but I don't think any team is stupid enough to claim him off waivers anyway. If he clears waivers, I wouldn't mind signing him for next to nothing to take a shot on him. Personally, I don't consider any first round draft pick a bust until they've played at least 3-4 years.

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Aren't they buying him out? Why would he be on waivers?

I'm not sure how it works, but in Woj's article, he said once Bennett is bought out, he'll be placed on waivers.

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