Cousins

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

"Kirk Cousins sucks" is blowing up Twitter



"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Second interception I think I want to accept that this guy is not going to do anything but bring grief.

The only silver lining is I don't care for Jay Gruden. Kirk looking bad is a reflection on Gruden.

Nothing Cousins does will draw criticism like Gruden has ready for Griffin.



"Do not despise these small beginnings, for the Lord rejoices to see the work begin,"
"Be the change you want to be."

[queridiculo]

Cousins isn't any good, but the guy that deserves the blame here is Gruden.

He's made a mess out of the QB situation from day one, and once again, managed to make a bad situation worse after RG3s injury.

Instead of keeping his options open and saying he's going with Cousins for now, he's painted himself into a corner by claiming he's their guy when clearly none of the options at his disposal had done anything to distinguish themselves with their play.

[AFM]

Kirk Cousins indeed does suck. Worst interception rate in NFL history

His picks last night were mind blowingly awful

[AFM]

Come on guys

AInt nobody visiting a realgm NFL forum

[Dat2U]

I think he can be a good starter if given time to develop, but you gotta put pieces around him. We've done a good job this year improving our running game and D. Cousins won't ever be an elite carry the team by himself type QB like a Brady or Rodgers but I think he can be on that Flacco/Wilson/Eli Manning level and those guys have won rings.

There is no way Cousins is becoming any of those quarterbacks. He can't change the football game. He will never be on teams game plan. The Running game is the Redskins strength not the Quarterback.

Kind of a ridiculous statement. Do you think Tom Brady possesses any physical attribute that makes him HOF calber? He doesn't. He kills teams almost entirely with his brain, and trying to project how a QB like Cousins will develop is really difficult. QBs continue to improve well into their 30s, and the main problem with Cousins is turnovers -- as in decisions he makes with the ball. His problems are theoretically correctable, and that's the reason he's playing.

Odds are against him being really good, but it's always possible. Nobody actually has a clue when it comes to evaluating QB prospects.

No, the ridiculous statement is placing Tom Brady's name in the same sentence as the guy that currently is listed as the Redskins starting quarterback.

Watching Cousins at Michigan State you could see it. It's called decision making ability. Yes, that's something you can analyze and break down. Cousins always has had iffy decision making... especially as the situations got tighter. One of his biggest mistakes in college was a bad interception while driving for a potential game winning TD in the last minutes of game that decided a trip to the Rose Bowl. And that's shown up throughout his college and pro career.

Theoretically correctable but that would apply to anyone's decision making ability. The NFL isn't about what's theoretically possible, it's about what you can actually do right here and now.

[Higga]

I think its very much a possibility that Cousins doesn't have the mental fortitude to be a top notch starting QB. 90% of the game is half mental as Yogi Berra would say(RIP).

[gtn130]

There is no way Cousins is becoming any of those quarterbacks. He can't change the football game. He will never be on teams game plan. The Running game is the Redskins strength not the Quarterback.

Kind of a ridiculous statement. Do you think Tom Brady possesses any physical attribute that makes him HOF calber? He doesn't. He kills teams almost entirely with his brain, and trying to project how a QB like Cousins will develop is really difficult. QBs continue to improve well into their 30s, and the main problem with Cousins is turnovers -- as in decisions he makes with the ball. His problems are theoretically correctable, and that's the reason he's playing.

Odds are against him being really good, but it's always possible. Nobody actually has a clue when it comes to evaluating QB prospects.

No, the ridiculous statement is placing Tom Brady's name in the same sentence as the guy that currently is listed as the Redskins starting quarterback.

Watching Cousins at Michigan State you could see it. It's called decision making ability. Yes, that's something you can analyze and break down. Cousins always has had iffy decision making... especially as the situations got tighter. One of his biggest mistakes in college was a bad interception while driving for a potential game winning TD in the last minutes of game that decided a trip to the Rose Bowl. And that's shown up throughout his college and pro career.

Theoretically correctable but that would apply to anyone's decision making ability. The NFL isn't about what's theoretically possible, it's about what you can actually do right here and now.

How on earth can you think I'm comparing the two? I'm merely pointing out that QBs with mediocre physical talent can succeed. The most extreme example of that is Tom Brady. My actual argument with regard to Cousins is that speaking with absolute certainty is kinda silly when QBs develop well into their 30s and it's a position that is mostly mental at the NFL level.

Cousins isn't good. He was horrible last night. But he can improve like many QBs have, and I don't think it's unfathomable that Cousins could be a passable NFL starter at some point in his career (probably not with Washington).

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Yesterday was indeed a clunker for him. Even on balls caught he was uncharacteristically inaccurate.

But let's not get carried away. He is passable with some upside remaining

[Dat2U]

Kind of a ridiculous statement. Do you think Tom Brady possesses any physical attribute that makes him HOF calber? He doesn't. He kills teams almost entirely with his brain, and trying to project how a QB like Cousins will develop is really difficult. QBs continue to improve well into their 30s, and the main problem with Cousins is turnovers -- as in decisions he makes with the ball. His problems are theoretically correctable, and that's the reason he's playing.

Odds are against him being really good, but it's always possible. Nobody actually has a clue when it comes to evaluating QB prospects.

No, the ridiculous statement is placing Tom Brady's name in the same sentence as the guy that currently is listed as the Redskins starting quarterback.

Watching Cousins at Michigan State you could see it. It's called decision making ability. Yes, that's something you can analyze and break down. Cousins always has had iffy decision making... especially as the situations got tighter. One of his biggest mistakes in college was a bad interception while driving for a potential game winning TD in the last minutes of game that decided a trip to the Rose Bowl. And that's shown up throughout his college and pro career.

Theoretically correctable but that would apply to anyone's decision making ability. The NFL isn't about what's theoretically possible, it's about what you can actually do right here and now.

How on earth can you think I'm comparing the two? I'm merely pointing out that QBs with mediocre physical talent can succeed. The most extreme example of that is Tom Brady. My actual argument with regard to Cousins is that speaking with absolute certainty is kinda silly when QBs develop well into their 30s and it's a position that is mostly mental at the NFL level.

Cousins isn't good. He was horrible last night. But he can improve like many QBs have, and I don't think it's unfathomable that Cousins could be a passable NFL starter at some point in his career (probably not with Washington).

In that case why weren't teams more patient with JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf since it's not "unfathomable" and its "theoretically correctable" that each could have been passable NFL starters? Or how bout John Beck? What about Jason Campbell? See where I'm going with this? Your argument is basically anyone with the basic physical tools could possibly develop into a passable starter.

1. That's completely nonsensical. Can guys improve on the mental side of things? Sure. But in the great majority of cases, you are who you are and what you see is generally what you get.

2. Is the goal really to develop a "passable starter"? Does a "passable starter" win you a Superbowl? I guess, if your like the Ravens and have a historically good defense. Generally though a "passable starter" is not enough. We benched a guy that was a Pro Bowler and won a division in his rookie year to develop a "passable starter". Something is VERY wrong with this.

3. Cousins has as many INTs as Griffin in nearly half the throws. Do we really want to give him another 500+ throws to double that number?

[Dat2U]

Yesterday was indeed a clunker for him. Even on balls caught he was uncharacteristically inaccurate.

But let's not get carried away. He is passable with some upside remaining

You mean like Blaine Gabbert?

People complained about RGIII getting the benefit of the doubt, but my goodness... the media & fanboys supporting Cousins just makes no sense to me. The guy has accomplished basically nothing at this level but never mind that... let's give him as long as RGIII to figure things out.

[gtn130]

No, the ridiculous statement is placing Tom Brady's name in the same sentence as the guy that currently is listed as the Redskins starting quarterback.

Watching Cousins at Michigan State you could see it. It's called decision making ability. Yes, that's something you can analyze and break down. Cousins always has had iffy decision making... especially as the situations got tighter. One of his biggest mistakes in college was a bad interception while driving for a potential game winning TD in the last minutes of game that decided a trip to the Rose Bowl. And that's shown up throughout his college and pro career.

Theoretically correctable but that would apply to anyone's decision making ability. The NFL isn't about what's theoretically possible, it's about what you can actually do right here and now.

How on earth can you think I'm comparing the two? I'm merely pointing out that QBs with mediocre physical talent can succeed. The most extreme example of that is Tom Brady. My actual argument with regard to Cousins is that speaking with absolute certainty is kinda silly when QBs develop well into their 30s and it's a position that is mostly mental at the NFL level.

Cousins isn't good. He was horrible last night. But he can improve like many QBs have, and I don't think it's unfathomable that Cousins could be a passable NFL starter at some point in his career (probably not with Washington).

In that case why weren't teams more patient with JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf since it's not "unfathomable" and its "theoretically correctable" that each could have been passable NFL starters? Or how bout John Beck? What about Jason Campbell? See where I'm going with this? Your argument is basically anyone with the basic physical tools could possibly develop into a passable starter.

1. That's completely nonsensical. Can guys improve on the mental side of things? Sure. But in the great majority of cases, you are who you are and what you see is generally what you get.

2. Is the goal really to develop a "passable starter"? Does a "passable starter" win you a Superbowl? I guess, if your like the Ravens and have a historically good defense. Generally though a "passable starter" is not enough. We benched a guy that was a Pro Bowler and won a division in his rookie year to develop a "passable starter". Something is VERY wrong with this.

3. Cousins has as many INTs as Griffin in nearly half the throws. Do we really want to give him another 500+ throws to double that number?

Those are horrid examples.

JaMarcus Russell was an idiot and was borderline illiterate. He was also fat and had the work ethic and maturity level of a child.

John Beck couldn't make the throws. Cousins is at least capable of making most NFL throws.

Campbell could have easily ended up being good, and he WAS given ample time to learn how to play. He started what 50+ games in his career?

Ryan Leaf had obvious red flags after he was drafted that Cousins does not have.

With Cousins, Washington has a guy who can make the throws and is perceived to be intelligent. He has reasonable awareness inside the pocket and can move around a little bit to make plays. In other words, he's not JaMarcus Russell, and it's worth giving him more than a handful of games to try and figure things out.

I'm not defending starting him over RG3. I don't think it makes much sense, but I don't agree with the idea that it's a foregone conclusion that Cousins will never be good. He has just enough potential to see that he could be good down the road. Currently he isn't good, and I would say it's unlikely that he ends up being good, but he isn't drawing dead like Colt McCoy or John Beck.

[Ruzious]

It's too soon to decide on Cousins. He's had all of 3 games as The Man. The man we faced - Brother Eli was ordinary at best for his first 4 seasons

He needs to stop throwing to spots that are into coverage - where he's anticipating his receiver to be - especially when the receiver is Garcon - who has a tendency to round out his routes - which allows the defender to have a MUCH easier track to the ball. Really, the biggest problem might be that Garcon is the #1 receiver - he's a very ordinary WR. Cousins was 5 for 12 with an int throwing to Garcon. Compare that to 6 for 6 throwing to rookie Crowder and 2 for 2 to Ross - basically a rookie. Start by cutting down the attempts to Garcon to 5 or so a game. It's still useful to throw some to him - if for no other reason than to keep the defense honest. Of course, having Jackson back will make a big difference.

[TGW]

Cousins is 3-9 as a starter, so we're only 4 games away from having a 16-game sample size. Can't throw away last season like it didn't happen.

He's shown absolutely nothing to prove he is the best option on the roster.

[Hidden Eye]

Cousins can't run the offense no need to defend somebody who is gonna be gone this year.

[TGW]

Yesterday was indeed a clunker for him. Even on balls caught he was uncharacteristically inaccurate.

But let's not get carried away. He is passable with some upside remaining

Actually, looking at Cousins career stats, he is definitely inaccurate. It isn't out of character at all.

[Higga]

I think Cousins at least deserves a full 16 game season. After that, we'll re evaluate.

[TGW]

I think Cousins at least deserves a full 16 game season. After that, we'll re evaluate.

IMO Cousins doesn't "deserve" anything. Maybe if he showed that he was progressing in the right direction, then the case could be made. He really hasn't done anything to deserve a shot other than being an alternative to a guy the coach doesn't like. He's already been benched for being terrible...so to say he deserves 16 games is just not reasonable IMO.

[Higga]

I think Cousins at least deserves a full 16 game season. After that, we'll re evaluate.

IMO Cousins doesn't "deserve" anything. Maybe if he showed that he was progressing in the right direction, then the case could be made. He really hasn't done anything to deserve a shot other than being an alternative to a guy the coach doesn't like. He's already been benched for being terrible...so to say he deserves 16 games is just not reasonable IMO.

Well, my reasoning is:

1. He's shown enough good that I'd like to see if he can improve over the course of a season. Its not like he's been John Beck awful all the time. The offense was at its most productive with Cousins starting last year. And its hard to really develop as a young QB when you get a couple starts here, then a few starts a year later. No real consistency there.

2. We know what we have in the other QBs. RG3 simply can not run an NFL offense and McCoy has no upside, he's a guaranteed 5-11/6-10 type starter. With Cousins there might be a chance(small chance, maybe less than 5%)that he could pan out to be a real good QB. So lets give him a season and see if by season's end he shows improvement.

Its very likely though that the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now, although I hope McLoughan takes a Ravens/Steelers like approach and continues to build up the rest of the team first instead of trying to go out of your way to get the golden goose QB.

[Ruzious]

Cousins is 3-9 as a starter, so we're only 4 games away from having a 16-game sample size. Can't throw away last season like it didn't happen.

He's shown absolutely nothing to prove he is the best option on the roster.

And 16 games isn't enough - especially when only 3 of the games have been with him as the real starter - rather than just as a fill-in.

He's the only option on the roster. Robert is a joke at this point, and Colt - while fun to watch at times - is a little guy with a wet noodle for an arm who's had plenty of opportunities in the NFL.