Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[letsgosuns]

I do not believe in the two point guard system. I see no way it can work. Logically it makes no sense. Can anyone name one champion in the history of league that won with a two point guard system? I cannot. Why Hornacek implements it, I will never know. Hornacek was an excellent player but his coaching leaves more than a lot to be desired. And Idk whose idea it is to have the dual point guard lineup, Hornacek or McDonough, but either way it is an awful idea moving forward. Plus, the three point guard lineup from last year is arguably the dumbest idea in the history of the league. Why not put three centers out there. It was beyond stupid. Last season was wasted for basically an experiment by the coaching staff.

Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. Maybe Dragic was right. How can anyone trust this organization anymore. They kiss Markieff's ass while he badmouths them. They keep on signing more and more players and people scratch their heads at the signings. There is constant roster turnover every year dating back to the past several years. What is the direction of the team? Stay mediocre until a disgruntled star becomes available? Is that seriously what McDonough and co. are banking on?

I am calling right now, if the team does not get rid of Markieff immediately, the season is over before it begins. Most fans, (not some fans on here), including myself, hate him and want him gone at all costs. To hell with his game. That guy is going to happily destroy the season and McDonough and the rest of the staff appear willing to let it happen. The entire situation is insane. I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Absolutely hilarious. Boy, you and FrankLo are two peas in a pod. What don't you understand about building a team? He inherited a 25-57 team, and after two seasons with lots of player movement, he's trying to find the 'right mix'. It's not as if he spent 5 years trying this and that and has gotten nowhere. I'll 'beat that drum' one more time--it's been 2 seasons, and again, it was a 25-57 team full of mis-matched pieces. For comparison...

Gentry inherited a 28-23 team in 2009...
D'Antoni inherited a team that was 44-38 the year before he took over, which at hat point, we were 8-13. Then he got Nash before the start of the next season, and the rest is history.
Skiles took over a 13-7 team in 1999, the year prior they were 27-23
Ainge took over an 0-8 squad, but they were a .500 team the year prior

Lance Blanks--took over a 54-28 team from the year before
Steve Kerr--took over a 61-21 team from the year before

So, I think if Blanks got three years, and Kerr got four years, with both taking over a 'winning' franchise, that McD deserves AT LEAST 3 years to attempt to turn around a 25-57 squad with the likes of Beasley, W. Johnson, Scola, K. Marshall, and Shannon Brown on the team. We had Dragic, Tucker, Frye, Gortat, and Morris as halfway decent players, but not an All-Star in the bunch.

So again, can we give the guy a chance beyond 2 years before we start burning him at the stake? If we finish this season with similar results, and assuming we don't have injuries to key players like Bledsoe, Len, Chandler, and Knight, which cause us to finish near .500, at that point, then yes, I could understand the negativity, but until then, I would suggest we all refrain from the bashing.

It is more about Sarver than anyone else now. I like McDonough but going back to the day that Sarver let the 2010 WCF team unravel is why I said going back several years now. Letting Kerr leave and choosing that horrific dual headed GM of Blanks and Babby was an atrocious decision. That entire debacle has driven the Suns into mediocrity and I do not see it getting any better soon. I used to like Sarver with some things but looking back to when he bought the team, there have been a lot of good people in the organization that left on their own or were forced out.

Remember the delegation that signed Steve Nash: "Nash had met with Cuban in Dallas on Wednesday morning and then was greeted by a traveling Suns delegation that included chairman Jerry Colangelo, son and team president Bryan Colangelo, new owner Robert Sarver, coach Mike D'Antoni, former NBA player and Suns minority owner Steve Kerr, former Suns player and current scout Rex Chapman and forward Amare Stoudemire, a client of Duffy's."

Colangelos left. D'antoni gone. Kerr gone. Chapman quit back then. Stoudemire is gone. Nash is obviously gone. I am not going to go into every person that Sarver let go because there are too many. Then look at all the players he brought in to begin with. Do you think Colangelo would have signed a player like Michael Beasley in the first place? No way. This team has sucked for years and I see no reason why I should believe it will change. History is not on Sarver's side. He has proven to make decisions that do not benefit the team. It is getting harder for me to root for this team by the day. And me saying that is unheard of. They have been far and away my favorite sports team of any sport for as long as I can remember.

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

I do not believe in the two point guard system. I see no way it can work. Logically it makes no sense. Can anyone name one champion in the history of league that won with a two point guard system? I cannot. Why Hornacek implements it, I will never know. Hornacek was an excellent player but his coaching leaves more than a lot to be desired. And Idk whose idea it is to have the dual point guard lineup, Hornacek or McDonough, but either way it is an awful idea moving forward. Plus, the three point guard lineup from last year is arguably the dumbest idea in the history of the league. Why not put three centers out there. It was beyond stupid. Last season was wasted for basically an experiment by the coaching staff.

Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. Maybe Dragic was right. How can anyone trust this organization anymore. They kiss Markieff's ass while he badmouths them. They keep on signing more and more players and people scratch their heads at the signings. There is constant roster turnover every year dating back to the past several years. What is the direction of the team? Stay mediocre until a disgruntled star becomes available? Is that seriously what McDonough and co. are banking on?

I am calling right now, if the team does not get rid of Markieff immediately, the season is over before it begins. Most fans, (not some fans on here), including myself, hate him and want him gone at all costs. To hell with his game. That guy is going to happily destroy the season and McDonough and the rest of the staff appear willing to let it happen. The entire situation is insane. I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Absolutely hilarious. Boy, you and FrankLo are two peas in a pod. What don't you understand about building a team? He inherited a 25-57 team, and after two seasons with lots of player movement, he's trying to find the 'right mix'. It's not as if he spent 5 years trying this and that and has gotten nowhere. I'll 'beat that drum' one more time--it's been 2 seasons, and again, it was a 25-57 team full of mis-matched pieces. For comparison...

Gentry inherited a 28-23 team in 2009...
D'Antoni inherited a team that was 44-38 the year before he took over, which at hat point, we were 8-13. Then he got Nash before the start of the next season, and the rest is history.
Skiles took over a 13-7 team in 1999, the year prior they were 27-23
Ainge took over an 0-8 squad, but they were a .500 team the year prior

Lance Blanks--took over a 54-28 team from the year before
Steve Kerr--took over a 61-21 team from the year before

So, I think if Blanks got three years, and Kerr got four years, with both taking over a 'winning' franchise, that McD deserves AT LEAST 3 years to attempt to turn around a 25-57 squad with the likes of Beasley, W. Johnson, Scola, K. Marshall, and Shannon Brown on the team. We had Dragic, Tucker, Frye, Gortat, and Morris as halfway decent players, but not an All-Star in the bunch.

So again, can we give the guy a chance beyond 2 years before we start burning him at the stake? If we finish this season with similar results, and assuming we don't have injuries to key players like Bledsoe, Len, Chandler, and Knight, which cause us to finish near .500, at that point, then yes, I could understand the negativity, but until then, I would suggest we all refrain from the bashing.

It is more about Sarver than anyone else now. I like McDonough but going back to the day that Sarver let the 2010 WCF team unravel is why I said going back several years now. Letting Kerr leave and choosing that horrific dual headed GM of Blanks and Babby was an atrocious decision. That entire debacle has driven the Suns into mediocrity and I do not see it getting any better soon. I used to like Sarver with some things but looking back to when he bought the team, there have been a lot of good people in the organization that left on their own or were forced out.

Remember the delegation that signed Steve Nash: "Nash had met with Cuban in Dallas on Wednesday morning and then was greeted by a traveling Suns delegation that included chairman Jerry Colangelo, son and team president Bryan Colangelo, new owner Robert Sarver, coach Mike D'Antoni, former NBA player and Suns minority owner Steve Kerr, former Suns player and current scout Rex Chapman and forward Amare Stoudemire, a client of Duffy's."

Colangelos left. D'antoni gone. Kerr gone. Chapman quit back then. Stoudemire is gone. Nash is obviously gone. I am not going to go into every person that Sarver let go because there are too many. Then look at all the players he brought in to begin with. Do you think Colangelo would have signed a player like Michael Beasley in the first place? No way. This team has sucked for years and I see no reason why I should believe it will change. History is not on Sarver's side. He has proven to make decisions that do not benefit the team. It is getting harder for me to root for this team by the day. And me saying that is unheard of. They have been far and away my favorite sports team of any sport for as long as I can remember.

Your post mentioned Horny and McD multiple times, and not once about Sarver, so if it's Sarver you have the issue with, you might want to clarify, as you just did. But in any future posts, ID Sarver, because it sounded an awful lot like you were blaming McD/Horny for our problems, not Sarver.

[bigfoot]

I do not believe in the two point guard system. I see no way it can work. Logically it makes no sense. Can anyone name one champion in the history of league that won with a two point guard system? I cannot. Why Hornacek implements it, I will never know. Hornacek was an excellent player but his coaching leaves more than a lot to be desired. And Idk whose idea it is to have the dual point guard lineup, Hornacek or McDonough, but either way it is an awful idea moving forward. Plus, the three point guard lineup from last year is arguably the dumbest idea in the history of the league. Why not put three centers out there. It was beyond stupid. Last season was wasted for basically an experiment by the coaching staff.

Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. Maybe Dragic was right. How can anyone trust this organization anymore. They kiss Markieff's ass while he badmouths them. They keep on signing more and more players and people scratch their heads at the signings. There is constant roster turnover every year dating back to the past several years. What is the direction of the team? Stay mediocre until a disgruntled star becomes available? Is that seriously what McDonough and co. are banking on?

I am calling right now, if the team does not get rid of Markieff immediately, the season is over before it begins. Most fans, (not some fans on here), including myself, hate him and want him gone at all costs. To hell with his game. That guy is going to happily destroy the season and McDonough and the rest of the staff appear willing to let it happen. The entire situation is insane. I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Absolutely hilarious. Boy, you and FrankLo are two peas in a pod. What don't you understand about building a team? He inherited a 25-57 team, and after two seasons with lots of player movement, he's trying to find the 'right mix'. It's not as if he spent 5 years trying this and that and has gotten nowhere. I'll 'beat that drum' one more time--it's been 2 seasons, and again, it was a 25-57 team full of mis-matched pieces. For comparison...

Gentry inherited a 28-23 team in 2009...
D'Antoni inherited a team that was 44-38 the year before he took over, which at hat point, we were 8-13. Then he got Nash before the start of the next season, and the rest is history.
Skiles took over a 13-7 team in 1999, the year prior they were 27-23
Ainge took over an 0-8 squad, but they were a .500 team the year prior

Lance Blanks--took over a 54-28 team from the year before
Steve Kerr--took over a 61-21 team from the year before

So, I think if Blanks got three years, and Kerr got four years, with both taking over a 'winning' franchise, that McD deserves AT LEAST 3 years to attempt to turn around a 25-57 squad with the likes of Beasley, W. Johnson, Scola, K. Marshall, and Shannon Brown on the team. We had Dragic, Tucker, Frye, Gortat, and Morris as halfway decent players, but not an All-Star in the bunch.

So again, can we give the guy a chance beyond 2 years before we start burning him at the stake? If we finish this season with similar results, and assuming we don't have injuries to key players like Bledsoe, Len, Chandler, and Knight, which cause us to finish near .500, at that point, then yes, I could understand the negativity, but until then, I would suggest we all refrain from the bashing.

It is more about Sarver than anyone else now. I like McDonough but going back to the day that Sarver let the 2010 WCF team unravel is why I said going back several years now. Letting Kerr leave and choosing that horrific dual headed GM of Blanks and Babby was an atrocious decision. That entire debacle has driven the Suns into mediocrity and I do not see it getting any better soon. I used to like Sarver with some things but looking back to when he bought the team, there have been a lot of good people in the organization that left on their own or were forced out.

Remember the delegation that signed Steve Nash: "Nash had met with Cuban in Dallas on Wednesday morning and then was greeted by a traveling Suns delegation that included chairman Jerry Colangelo, son and team president Bryan Colangelo, new owner Robert Sarver, coach Mike D'Antoni, former NBA player and Suns minority owner Steve Kerr, former Suns player and current scout Rex Chapman and forward Amare Stoudemire, a client of Duffy's."

Colangelos left. D'antoni gone. Kerr gone. Chapman quit back then. Stoudemire is gone. Nash is obviously gone. I am not going to go into every person that Sarver let go because there are too many. Then look at all the players he brought in to begin with. Do you think Colangelo would have signed a player like Michael Beasley in the first place? No way. This team has sucked for years and I see no reason why I should believe it will change. History is not on Sarver's side. He has proven to make decisions that do not benefit the team. It is getting harder for me to root for this team by the day. And me saying that is unheard of. They have been far and away my favorite sports team of any sport for as long as I can remember.

Holy hell batman ... Kief, McD, Sarver ... who's the next scapegoat for the Suns difficulties .. Obama?

[TeamTragic]

Everyone that bitched about not going after Steve Nash:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239323/Lakers-Suns-Also-Tried-To-Hire-Steve-Nash

He chose the Warriors over the Suns/Lakers. No surprise there.

[jcsunsfan]

Absolutely hilarious. Boy, you and FrankLo are two peas in a pod. What don't you understand about building a team? He inherited a 25-57 team, and after two seasons with lots of player movement, he's trying to find the 'right mix'. It's not as if he spent 5 years trying this and that and has gotten nowhere. I'll 'beat that drum' one more time--it's been 2 seasons, and again, it was a 25-57 team full of mis-matched pieces. For comparison...

Gentry inherited a 28-23 team in 2009...
D'Antoni inherited a team that was 44-38 the year before he took over, which at hat point, we were 8-13. Then he got Nash before the start of the next season, and the rest is history.
Skiles took over a 13-7 team in 1999, the year prior they were 27-23
Ainge took over an 0-8 squad, but they were a .500 team the year prior

Lance Blanks--took over a 54-28 team from the year before
Steve Kerr--took over a 61-21 team from the year before

So, I think if Blanks got three years, and Kerr got four years, with both taking over a 'winning' franchise, that McD deserves AT LEAST 3 years to attempt to turn around a 25-57 squad with the likes of Beasley, W. Johnson, Scola, K. Marshall, and Shannon Brown on the team. We had Dragic, Tucker, Frye, Gortat, and Morris as halfway decent players, but not an All-Star in the bunch.

So again, can we give the guy a chance beyond 2 years before we start burning him at the stake? If we finish this season with similar results, and assuming we don't have injuries to key players like Bledsoe, Len, Chandler, and Knight, which cause us to finish near .500, at that point, then yes, I could understand the negativity, but until then, I would suggest we all refrain from the bashing.

It is more about Sarver than anyone else now. I like McDonough but going back to the day that Sarver let the 2010 WCF team unravel is why I said going back several years now. Letting Kerr leave and choosing that horrific dual headed GM of Blanks and Babby was an atrocious decision. That entire debacle has driven the Suns into mediocrity and I do not see it getting any better soon. I used to like Sarver with some things but looking back to when he bought the team, there have been a lot of good people in the organization that left on their own or were forced out.

Remember the delegation that signed Steve Nash: "Nash had met with Cuban in Dallas on Wednesday morning and then was greeted by a traveling Suns delegation that included chairman Jerry Colangelo, son and team president Bryan Colangelo, new owner Robert Sarver, coach Mike D'Antoni, former NBA player and Suns minority owner Steve Kerr, former Suns player and current scout Rex Chapman and forward Amare Stoudemire, a client of Duffy's."

Colangelos left. D'antoni gone. Kerr gone. Chapman quit back then. Stoudemire is gone. Nash is obviously gone. I am not going to go into every person that Sarver let go because there are too many. Then look at all the players he brought in to begin with. Do you think Colangelo would have signed a player like Michael Beasley in the first place? No way. This team has sucked for years and I see no reason why I should believe it will change. History is not on Sarver's side. He has proven to make decisions that do not benefit the team. It is getting harder for me to root for this team by the day. And me saying that is unheard of. They have been far and away my favorite sports team of any sport for as long as I can remember.

Holy hell batman ... Kief, McD, Sarver ... who's the next scapegoat for the Suns difficulties .. Obama?

"Scapegoat" is the correct operative word. Its the "gotta blame someone" syndrome. How about each person be responsible for the specific decisions they have made and call the rest "the breaks"? It takes time, effort, and a bit of luck to build a team.

Making an omelete analogy is good. Oh, and its good to post BEFORE happy hour.

[plonden]

Everyone that bitched about not going after Steve Nash:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239323/Lakers-Suns-Also-Tried-To-Hire-Steve-Nash

He chose the Warriors over the Suns/Lakers. No surprise there.

Not quite right. He had already committed to Golden State when the Suns pitched him. It was too late.

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[Frank Lee]

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Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. ...... I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Absolutely hilarious. Boy, you and FrankLo are two peas in a pod. What don't you understand about building a team? .....

So again, can we give the guy a chance beyond 2 years before we start burning him at the stake? If we finish this season with similar results, and assuming we don't have injuries to key players like Bledsoe, Len, Chandler, and Knight, which cause us to finish near .500, at that point, then yes, I could understand the negativity, but until then, I would suggest we all refrain from the bashing.

Losing confidence and respect is hardly bashing... its a personal feeling. As far as I have seen , there has been very little discussion about sacking McDo... just reminders that he is not Kid Midas. I would suggest there are more peas in this pod than what you care to acknowledge. BTW, this has been anything but a smooth rebuild... oh, but we need to be nicey nice with the young GM.



Keep in mind, not all of us are not in line to motorboat McDo's asscheeks. and suggesting someone to refrain from 'bashing', especially when they explain themselves is homer-esqe censorship.





Hey Nevets .... you have an itinerary ?

[nevetsov]

Hey Nevets .... you have an itinerary ?

At this stage:
Sun 25th Oct: Palm Springs (with family)
Mon 26th - Wed 28th Oct: PHX + Suns vs DAL (with family)
Thu 29th Oct: Havasu Falls
Fri 30th - Sun 1st Nov: PHX + Suns vs POR
Mon 2nd - Fri 6th Nov: TBD (maybe New Orleans?)
Fri 6th - Mon 9th Nov: TBD (maybe UT/ SLC?)
Mon 9th - Fri 13th Nov: Vegas

[bwgood77]

Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. Maybe Dragic was right. How can anyone trust this organization anymore.

I am calling right now, if the team does not get rid of Markieff immediately, the season is over before it begins. Most fans, (not some fans on here), including myself, hate him and want him gone at all costs. To hell with his game. That guy is going to happily destroy the season and McDonough and the rest of the staff appear willing to let it happen. The entire situation is insane. I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Two questions: (These are both hypothetical so an answer of "that would not happen" isn't an answer that works here.)

1. Would you prefer we finish 53-29 and get the 6th seed with Markieff or finish 35-47 and 11th in the west without Markieff?

2. If LMA signed with Phoenix this off season would you be fine with the FO or still think they are terrible? If you would be fine with the FO had LMA signed, does that mean your opinion of the entire FO rests on the decision of one player?

[TeamTragic]

Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. Maybe Dragic was right. How can anyone trust this organization anymore.

I am calling right now, if the team does not get rid of Markieff immediately, the season is over before it begins. Most fans, (not some fans on here), including myself, hate him and want him gone at all costs. To hell with his game. That guy is going to happily destroy the season and McDonough and the rest of the staff appear willing to let it happen. The entire situation is insane. I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Two questions: (These are both hypothetical so an answer of "that would not happen" isn't an answer that works here.)

1. Would you prefer we finish 53-29 and get the 6th seed with Markieff or finish 35-47 and 11th in the west without Markieff?

2. If LMA signed with Phoenix this off season would you be fine with the FO or still think they are terrible? If you would be fine with the FO had LMA signed, does that mean your opinion of the entire FO rests on the decision of one player?

I'm going to give my thoughts here if you don't mind:

1. Winning and getting into the play-offs over everything else (yes - even with Kieff on the roster)
2. I'm perfectly fine with the FO - right now. If they have same issues this season as they did last season then get the pink slips ready.

With LMA this team would have been amazing. He would have been a huge difference maker

[bwgood77]

If they have issues this season as they did last season then get the pink slips ready

I think that is part of our problem. Constant churning, not only of the players but of the front office and coaches. I'm a big believer in continuity. Many of the best franchises in sports have had continuity, and they rarely stay in bad stretches for long (Steelers, Pats, Spurs, etc).

I believe if we stick with this FO and coach and they grow together and we kept them for a long time, we would become they type of team that contends year in and year out at some point. If we give people three years and turn it all over, we are going nowhere fast.

People complain about the FO sometimes and treadmilling, and then they want to do the same thing with the FO and coaches that they are complaining about with constant changing of the roster.

You can expect roster turnover the first couple of years a new regime takes over. I think had we signed LMA and then traded Kieff (or even kept him) we would basically have our team, and could just rely mostly on adding draft picks. If we were a LMA away from being really competitive, then we are not all that far off....and we are young at every position with a couple of vets to help out at the spots where the future is REALLY young (3 years or less in nba).

[letsgosuns]

Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. Maybe Dragic was right. How can anyone trust this organization anymore.

I am calling right now, if the team does not get rid of Markieff immediately, the season is over before it begins. Most fans, (not some fans on here), including myself, hate him and want him gone at all costs. To hell with his game. That guy is going to happily destroy the season and McDonough and the rest of the staff appear willing to let it happen. The entire situation is insane. I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Two questions: (These are both hypothetical so an answer of "that would not happen" isn't an answer that works here.)

1. Would you prefer we finish 53-29 and get the 6th seed with Markieff or finish 35-47 and 11th in the west without Markieff?

2. If LMA signed with Phoenix this off season would you be fine with the FO or still think they are terrible? If you would be fine with the FO had LMA signed, does that mean your opinion of the entire FO rests on the decision of one player?

My bottom line is that I cannot root for the Suns until Markieff is off the team. So yes, I would rather root for my favorite team even if they do not make the playoffs rather than root for a team that makes the playoffs but employs a player I have hated more than any other Suns player in franchise history. Yes he has surpassed Horry for me.

I am furious with the Suns front office because they should have traded Markieff regardless if they signed Aldridge or not. He should have been traded immediately after Marcus was traded. This was foreseeable. Anybody that understands how the Morris brothers work knew for a fact this type of situation would come up with trade of Marcus and no trade of Markieff. They are attached at the hip, foot, head, leg, waist, arm, ankle, anything you name and they are virtually one person. This is an absolute disaster. I am always excited for the beginning of a new Suns season but this year I am dreading it. I do not want a circus at media day. I want positivity.

[batsmasher]

On Stein ranking thr Suns 22nd: I actually felt a bit relieved to see us that low. We played a lot worse last year with all the added expectation. Chandler is the key. If he can make the locker room work, we're a playoff team.

[drewsprocket]

This lineup lost 9 out of 10 games...just saying.

That's a phenomenal lineup. They would have gone 10-0 if Hornacek wasn't such a terrible coach.

Green font?

Yeah no. That lineup has no sense on offense together. Horny has little he can do to teach that crew to share the ball.


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[Puff]

Everyone that bitched about not going after Steve Nash:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239323/Lakers-Suns-Also-Tried-To-Hire-Steve-Nash

He chose the Warriors over the Suns/Lakers. No surprise there.

I choose to believe he chose Steve Kerr over Robert Sarver and Kobe Bryant.

That certainly is no surprise.

[Puff]

Anyway, I have zero confidence in this organization now. I have lost it completely. Maybe Dragic was right. How can anyone trust this organization anymore.

I am calling right now, if the team does not get rid of Markieff immediately, the season is over before it begins. Most fans, (not some fans on here), including myself, hate him and want him gone at all costs. To hell with his game. That guy is going to happily destroy the season and McDonough and the rest of the staff appear willing to let it happen. The entire situation is insane. I have never been less excited for a Suns season in my life.

Two questions: (These are both hypothetical so an answer of "that would not happen" isn't an answer that works here.)

1. Would you prefer we finish 53-29 and get the 6th seed with Markieff or finish 35-47 and 11th in the west without Markieff?

2. If LMA signed with Phoenix this off season would you be fine with the FO or still think they are terrible? If you would be fine with the FO had LMA signed, does that mean your opinion of the entire FO rests on the decision of one player?

My bottom line is that I cannot root for the Suns until Markieff is off the team. So yes, I would rather root for my favorite team even if they do not make the playoffs rather than root for a team that makes the playoffs but employs a player I have hated more than any other Suns player in franchise history. Yes he has surpassed Horry for me.

I am furious with the Suns front office because they should have traded Markieff regardless if they signed Aldridge or not. He should have been traded immediately after Marcus was traded. This was foreseeable. Anybody that understands how the Morris brothers work knew for a fact this type of situation would come up with trade of Marcus and no trade of Markieff. They are attached at the hip, foot, head, leg, waist, arm, ankle, anything you name and they are virtually one person. This is an absolute disaster. I am always excited for the beginning of a new Suns season but this year I am dreading it. I do not want a circus at media day. I want positivity.

I certainly am with you on Markieff. However I am even more pissed that Tucker is still around. He must give Hornacek hand jobs in the shower. He certainly would have been gone long ago if Jerry were still in charge.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I don't think McDonough could afford trading 2 of our best 3 (his opinion) at lowest value within 6 months.

Keep in mind what Bledsoe may want if we have a bad season or two.

McDonough has a philosophy of overlooking off-court issues if they work hard on court (EG. He loved Rondo because of why others didn't).

You look at an organisation like the Spurs, we've had more dickheads in 2 years than they have in 20 years.

[Years90Suns]

I would trade Markieff for a sack of corn seeds. Doesn't matter.

I believe Teletovic and Leuer can offer more to today's game than Markieff. Also they would not be causing any trouble with their behaviour.

Teletovic has to show that he is in good health conditions. He is a strong PF (more than he seems to) and can run the court and jump really high. He can flat-out shoot almost from anywhere. I "suffered" him in Spain playing for Baskonia and always getting really good games against my Barça. He is an increadible shooter.

Leuer can run the court also, jumps and shoots.

Any of them has a post game, but both can pass the ball (they are no black holes as Markieff, who thinks he is the center of the universe) and live without shooting for minutes.

[lilfishi22]

I think you are correct--I'd rather Len work on becoming an Elite Center, than develop a 3pt shot. But if we end up trading Kieff, we may need Len to fill in at times, and getting minutes at the 4, is better than getting no minutes at all, and if we are spending $13M per for Chandler, he needs to be playing a starter role with 28-30 minutes, which Leaves Len just 18-20 minutes a game--I'd rather he get an additional 8-10 minutes playing alongside Chandler is all I'm really saying.

I agree that Len doesn't need to develop a 3 point shot to be successful in the NBA. As a matter of fact, if he develops into a
Tyson-esque type player, meaning excellent defensively and rebounding and average offensively I will be very happy. Len hasn't yet completely proven himself, but I think he is on the right track and developing quite nicely.

Now, if he could just develop that 3........

Same reason I couldn't endorse Amare working on his 3 in that final offseason (I think) instead of working on developing some semblance of defense which may have been the difference.

I'm all for expanding every facet of your game but there's only so much development time each player has in the off-season so they should be working on relevant parts of their game.

[b-ball forever]

This came outta nowhere, our old mascot Skita trying to make an NBA comeback with the Clippers !

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-clippers-nikoloz-20150910-story.html

The Clippers signed former NBA player Nikoloz Tskitishvili to a non-guaranteed contract Thursday, The Times has confirmed.

Tskitishvili, a former No. 5 overall pick by the Denver Nuggets in 2002, agreed to a one-year, make-good training camp contract with the Clippers.

He spent four unsuccessful seasons in the NBA, playing for Denver, Golden State, Minnesota and a final 2005-06 season in Phoenix.

Tskitishvili, 32, a 7-foot center/forward, averaged 2.9 points and 1.8 rebounds when he played in the NBA.

He spent last season playing for Champville in the Lebanese Basketball League.