Ranking Pistons Players

[pistontr]

DETROIT PISTONS
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13723434/team-team
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13780981/nba-nbarank-121-130


30. Andre Drummond
81. Reggie Jackson
121. Brandon Jennings
131. Ersan Ilyasova
150. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
191. Marcus Morris
199. Jodie Meeks
206. Stanley Johnson
286. Anthony Tolliver
303. Aron Baynes
304. Danny Granger
339. Steve Blake
341. Reggie Bullock
384. Spencer Dinwiddie


I think that Aron Baynes is underrated.

[hoophabit]

It's ESPN, so who really cares? Want a reflection of what happened last year with very little predictive effort? Please consult ESPN. Baynes has an opportunity to convince us that it wasn't just him benefiting from playing within the Spur's system. I hope he does.

[Spider156]

I wonder if they have Green ranked higher than Cousins. I'd laugh at that.

ESPN's ranking system is as legitimate as the next fan's ranking system. Full of bias and speculation.

Our roster is full of players that want an opportunity to prove themselves. Think about it.

Jackson needs to prove he deserves to be a starter and the contract he just earned.
KCP is still on his rookie contract and wants to prove he can start as a SG in the NBA and play consistent basketball.
Jennings wants to prove he can come back from a hard injury
Dinwiddie wants to prove he's a solid contributor, role player off the bench and he deserves to be in the NBA
Meeks wants to prove he's better than last year and can play more efficiently for himself and his future. He's professional.
Morris wants to prove he can play better without his brother and is a starter
Johnson wants to prove he's the best player in his draft class and apparently wants to be one of the best in the league
Ilyasova wants to prove he's still the player he was and he wants to win. Professional player. There's a reason SVG likes him.
Drummond wants to prove he's an All Star
Baynes wants to prove he deserves the contract he just got. He's also professional. I expect him to play well. I don't doubt players like him. I can just tell by how he carries himself on the court.

SVG put together a high character team. The only person that's on people's mind is Morris. I think Sheed has been good for him. I think time without his brother will also be good for him. He'll get his chance to prove himself. Maybe he can grow here. Great contract!!

[Snakebites]

Rankings for Jennings, Pope, and Ily should come relatively soon. They aren't top 100. Jackson in all probability will not be top 50. Drummond should rank about where he did last year.

We had 4 top 100 players last year and still started 5-23. It doesn't change reality.

[Snakebites]

Winslow ranked 45 spots ahead of Johnson.....

[tmorgan]

Winslow ranked 45 spots ahead of Johnson.....

I hope you aren't saying that just because it fits your previous (and my previous, to be honest) narrative.

There's been no indication that Winslow looks like a better NBA player, and certainly not right now. Johnson looked better in the OSL, he's received far more praise, and he's likely to have a bigger role (ok, that last part is tenuous, given the injury-prone vets Winslow is playing behind).

[princeofpalace]

Winslow ranked 45 spots ahead of Johnson.....

I hope you aren't saying that just because it fits your previous (and my previous, to be honest) narrative.

There's been no indication that Winslow looks like a better NBA player, and certainly not right now. Johnson looked better in the OSL, he's received far more praise, and he's likely to have a bigger role (ok, that last part is tenuous, given the injury-prone vets Winslow is playing behind).

ESPN ranked Winslow at 161

[tmorgan]

Winslow ranked 45 spots ahead of Johnson.....

I hope you aren't saying that just because it fits your previous (and my previous, to be honest) narrative.

There's been no indication that Winslow looks like a better NBA player, and certainly not right now. Johnson looked better in the OSL, he's received far more praise, and he's likely to have a bigger role (ok, that last part is tenuous, given the injury-prone vets Winslow is playing behind).

ESPN ranked Winslow at 161

I know that. Perhaps a better wording would have been "I hope you aren't bringing this up because...".

[detroitKG]

Of course ESPN is going to stick to its guns and ride it's golden boy. They'd look stupid if they didnt. I mean our organization made such a huge mistake taking Johnson over Winslow. Lol

[Snakebites]

Winslow ranked 45 spots ahead of Johnson.....

I hope you aren't saying that just because it fits your previous (and my previous, to be honest) narrative.

There's been no indication that Winslow looks like a better NBA player, and certainly not right now. Johnson looked better in the OSL, he's received far more praise, and he's likely to have a bigger role (ok, that last part is tenuous, given the injury-prone vets Winslow is playing behind).

I'm not as easily swayed by a small sampling of games against inferior opponents, so my narrative, while its moderated a little bit, hasn't fundamentally changed.

I mean, its pretty bold to put one guy over another guy by 41 spots when they play the same position are are roughly the same age.

I'm not saying the extremeness of the position makes them more right, but I still thought it was worth mentioning.

[Pharaoh]

If SJ was at Duke would he be thought of as highly as JW?

As an Aussie I'm not caught up on the NCAA stuff

[tmorgan]

Winslow ranked 45 spots ahead of Johnson.....

I hope you aren't saying that just because it fits your previous (and my previous, to be honest) narrative.

There's been no indication that Winslow looks like a better NBA player, and certainly not right now. Johnson looked better in the OSL, he's received far more praise, and he's likely to have a bigger role (ok, that last part is tenuous, given the injury-prone vets Winslow is playing behind).

I'm not as easily swayed by a small sampling of games against inferior opponents, so my narrative, while its moderated a little bit, hasn't fundamentally changed.

I mean, its pretty bold to put one guy over another guy by 41 spots when they play the same position are are roughly the same age.

I'm not saying the extremeness of the position makes them more right, but I still thought it was worth mentioning.

Those inferior opponents didn't make Winslow's jumper look busted as hell, or Miami better at least hope they didn't. Dude isn't a good shooter on the move, and while a spot-up perimeter J is a decent skill, it better not be all they're getting out of him, even in his first year.

They both looked more than solid defensively, but Stanley actually got to the hole and finished, made a good % of his 3's, and actually created offense. Inferior comp or not, they both played against the same quality of opposition, one looked great, the other looked OK.

[pistontr]

so we have two players in top 120

[Snakebites]

so we have two players in top 120

Yep. An average team will have 4.

[tmorgan]

so we have two players in top 120

Yep. An average team will have 4.

Congrats on 25k posts, Mr. Downer.

[Snakebites]

so we have two players in top 120

Yep. An average team will have 4.

Congrats on 25k posts, Mr. Downer.

Well, in this case its just simple mathematics.

This team is (hopefully?) heading in the right direction, but it still needs to build up talent. That much is clear.

Its also worth noting that we had 4 top 100 players last year (Dre, Monroe, Jennings and LOL Smith), and we still started 5-23. It doesn't mean much.

[joedumars1]

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/10/02/detroit-bad-boys-pistons-josh-smith/73190786/



This is why i'm so optimistic. Most of us already know all this. I think it will come together.

Van Gundy, though, gave it one final shot. He gave Smith 28 games to prove himself, and all it proved that it would never work. So Van Gundy boldly waived Smith, who eventually caught on with the Houston Rockets and partially rebuilt his career.

But Smith was not the only one to rebound in a major way. Detroit was 5-23 with Smith on the team, but managed to go 27-27 the rest of the way. Detroit was outscored by 192 points in just 1,748 possessions with Smith on the floor. With Smith off the floor and eventually off the team, the Pistons outscored opponents by 110 points in 5,883 possessions.

To put that in perspective, carried through an entire season, a Pistons team with Smith on the floor was the worst in the NBA, even worse than the 17-win Knicks team that had the league's worst point differential. Without Smith, however, Detroit performed close to the 45-37 Oklahoma City Thunder.

Yes, it really was that bad.

[pistontr]

NO: 93. Kobe Bryant. "At this stage, he has turned into a parody of himself"
wow

[pistontr]

81. Reggie Jackson

[pistontr]

Andre Drummond is No. 30 in #NBArank.