Old Drafts Revisited

[I_am_1z]

Pozz, Clyde and I wanted Hopkins.

So let's jump a few replies down to the part where we are all seeing a regression in Eric Reid. Possibly it could have to do with Mangini, but he's never been great in pass coverage. Always saw him as a downhill safety. The slew of elite QBs we're facing back to back to back really exposed Reid. So, should he be benched for Ward next weekend against Aaron Rodgers?—I think so.

FIFY.

And no, he shoudn't be benched for Jimmie **** Ward.

I know this isn't basketball, where you matchup personnel towards the opponent you're facing that week, but the game ought to be played that way. Reid just can't handle elite passers, luckily there aren't many in the league. If Mangini is not willing to go this far, then at least give Ward Tartt's playing time when facing such QBs in a pass heavy offense.

[CalamityX12]

What do you mean he can't handle elite passers?

He's held his own vs Rodgers, Brady, Brees, romo before..... you're making it sound like these QBs were killing us.... under harbaugh, Arod n Brady never beat us, Brees is 1-1 I think... Peyton, that was crap last yr but can't single our Reid for that unless there's specific plays one can state.

[Ray_Dogg]

Pozz and I wanted Hopkins.

So let's jump a few replies down to the part where we are all seeing a regression in Eric Reid. Possibly it could have to do with Mangini, but he's never been great in pass coverage. Always saw him as a downhill safety. The slew of elite QBs we're facing back to back to back really exposed Reid. So, should he be benched for Ward next weekend against Aaron Rodgers?—I think so.

I wanted Hopkins too.

[Ray_Dogg]

It looks like Arik Armstead is going to be a future all-pro in the league within 2 more years of him developing.

Hope so. I'll happily eat my words if so. I did mention, when he was drafted, that he reportedly played hurt all last season; that may have been why his play didn't look like it justified the 17th pick.

I'm not gonna get excited about Massie getting worked by this kid. One of those sacks was because Bowman forced Palmer to walk into Armstead.

[Ray_Dogg]

Reid in a better scheme would be fine. I'd also move him to SS and have Ward as FS.
The Mangenius Zone hand-off to no one defense is a freaking joke.

[I_am_1z]

What do you mean he can't handle elite passers?

He's held his own vs Rodgers, Brady, Brees, romo before..... you're making it sound like these QBs were killing us.... under harbaugh, Arod n Brady never beat us, Brees is 1-1 I think... Peyton, that was crap last yr but can't single our Reid for that unless there's specific plays one can state.

Just watched most the defensive snaps for the 49ers. Eric Reid wasn't at fault as much as I thought. Bethea and him were swapping sides a whole lot. Reid was occasionally used as a blitzer. The defense played bad, but there were 3 BAD calls that extended two drives for the Cardinals where they ended up scoring. The pressure wasn't there all day, but we did have at least 10 pressures that game. Carson was hit hard, knocked down 4-5 times back there. Tartt cannot play man coverage but way more instinctive of a player than I initially thought.

The adjustments I want made now after 2nd glance

Linebackers should not be in on 3rd and long. They're clearly out of their element in coverage. More Tartt
Kenneth Acker needs to be replaced. As long as Mangini is mixing zone into his defense, Acker will continue to fail. USE REASER
More Armstead

[Ease_Ur_Storm]

I also liked Reid going into that draft but wasn't thrilled with the move up to target him that early with all the other talent available. Going into that I had many forum discussions wanting Baalke to maximize the picks at the end of the first round/top of the second in that particular draft. Was definitely one of those on board for Hopkins as well. Wasn't angry about the move up, but thought we failed to maximize our low first and high second picks. Was happy we were able to get Tank after moving down a few slots, and was very surprised he lasted that long. There was a lot of solid talent hanging around the bottom of the first round/top of the second in that draft. Overall I'm happy with Reid vs. the midget Elam, and it looked like at the time that safety talent dropped off pretty harsh after that top tier. So in the end did understand the move. If you really want him and don't think he'd slip lower into the mid-20's, you'd better get him or be stuck with a midget.

[NinerSickness]

That was a McCloughan/Singletary draft all the way.

All Mike wanted to do was hit people in the mouf, remember?

All too well unfortunately.

I want WINNERS.

The funny thing is that we have Ron Jeremy as the head coach, and he wasn't the coach who whipped his d***k out in public.

[Dodub]

I wanted the Honey Badger

[zman1]

How about WR from the drafts: have we had one become productive in the recent past other than Crabby, who still underperformed?

As to Reid, seems to me he was much more of player pre-concussions. He said he was going to back off and it shows.

[I_am_1z]

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My dislike foe Jordan Matthews revisted. Will he ever become a true #1 receiver like Allen Robinson is going to be ?

[Pattersonca65]

How about WR from the drafts: have we had one become productive in the recent past other than Crabby, who still underperformed?
As to Reid, seems to me he was much more of player pre-concussions. He said he was going to back off and it shows.

No. Baalke took Jenkins in the 1st round, total bust. Since that time Baalke seems opposed to taking a WR in the first couple of rounds. Ellington looks like he has potential but can't stay healthy.

[CrimsonCrew]

Pozz and I wanted Hopkins.

So let's jump a few replies down to the part where we are all seeing a regression in Eric Reid. Possibly it could have to do with Mangini, but he's never been great in pass coverage. Always saw him as a downhill safety. The slew of elite QBs we're facing back to back to back really exposed Reid. So, should he be benched for Ward next weekend against Aaron Rodgers?—I think so.

what rationale is there for a Ward for Reid exchange?

Reid is being killed with this defensive scheme, something is way off here... not just him, Bethea is out of wack and our LBs give up or play soft as sh*t zone.... something is flawed there...

starts with Mangini IMO.

Totally agree. We took some serious hits on D, no doubt, and pass rush in particular is a problem, but our scheme is not working at all. Our coverage is awful, our blitzes aren't getting home. I chalk a lot of that up to the coaching and coordinating. Our guys have done alright when placed in man coverage situations - except when, you know, Fitz ends up matched up on Brooks - but it seems that whenever we go to zone there are miscommunications and HUGE holes. It doesn't help that Bowman didn't look right last game, and hasn't been close to himself in coverage.

[Pattersonca65]

The past couple of games Mangini has only been outsmarting himself. There were plays were the team should have been in a pass defense and instead was in a base defense leaving a linebacker or Safety to cover Fitzgerald was finding holes in coverage and Mangini didn't adjust. I really miss Fangio. Hope Mangini can fix the D problems.

[CrimsonCrew]

The past couple of games Mangini has only been outsmarting himself. There were plays were the team should have been in a pass defense and instead was in a base defense leaving a linebacker or Safety to cover Fitzgerald was finding holes in coverage and Mangini didn't adjust. I really miss Fangio. Hope Mangini can fix the D problems.

And Fangio really misses the Niners' talent....

[Pattersonca65]

The past couple of games Mangini has only been outsmarting himself. There were plays were the team should have been in a pass defense and instead was in a base defense leaving a linebacker or Safety to cover Fitzgerald was finding holes in coverage and Mangini didn't adjust. I really miss Fangio. Hope Mangini can fix the D problems.

And Fangio really misses the Niners' talent....

He sure does. Still need talent. I think even if Fangio was still D coordinator the D could struggle. Fangio isn't going to fix lack of pass rush. But. I also think we wouldn't be seeing these breakdowns in coverage. I hope Mangini is able to correct some of it