This team vs the 93 team?

RalphWiggum · Post #1 » by **RalphWiggum** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 9:10 am

You gotta pick one, who do you wager on in a 7 game series?

I love this team to death but I'd have to go 93.

I don't feel like baseball has superior athletes like you could maybe make the case for in other sports over the last 20 years. White, Alomar, Molitor, Carter, Olerud with IMO a better more pressure prepared pitching staff makes me lean 93.

I'm about to get crushed on this site but for me the deciding factor other than White's defence in centre over Pillar's (White basket catches balls Pillar dives for ) is Molitor over Donaldson. I can't see JD playing at the level Molitor did and that is not a knock on JD at all. Molitor went alien when it mattered most. The guy was a hitting machine.

None of this is to say I don't think we'll win it all as this year. All things breaking even we are the best team in this post season.

PS I've been drinking again!

Randle McMurphy · Post #2 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 10:14 am

37 year old DH Molitor over Josh Donaldson? :crazy:

Raps in 4 · Post #3 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 1:03 pm

Hoopstarr · Post #4 » by **Hoopstarr** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 3:02 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:37 year old DH Molitor over Josh Donaldson?

Molitor's 93 postseason
.447 .527 .851 1.378, 3 HR

If JD comes anywhere near that we're golden

Skin Blues · Post #5 » by **Skin Blues** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 3:09 pm

Well if we're using past results rather than just comparing the quality of the teams, I'll take the '93 Jays because they won 4 games in the ALCS and 4 games in the WS.

LLJ · Post #6 » by **LLJ** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 3:21 pm

Let's not jinx this. The real stress starts when the playoffs begin.

Dennis 37 · Post #7 » by **Dennis 37** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 3:43 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:37 year old DH Molitor over Josh Donaldson?

37, indeed.

Dennis 37 · Post #8 » by **Dennis 37** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 3:50 pm

The 93 team didn't go on a run the way this team has since the All Star game. I say this year's team has much more momentum going into the playoffs.

The top four starting pitchers on this team beat out the top four in 93.

Randle McMurphy · Post #9 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 4:53 pm

Hoopstarr wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:37 year old DH Molitor over Josh Donaldson?

Molitor's 93 postseason
.447 .527 .851 1.378, 3 HR

If JD comes anywhere near that we're golden

Oh, I'm well aware of what Molitor did in the playoffs. But those results aren't exactly relevant when comparing the quality of the teams (or in particular, Molitor to JD as players).

JN · Post #10 » by JN » Thu Oct 1, 2015 5:38 pm

I think you compare regular season to regular season. Otherwise, if you are going to consider playoff results, then of course its the 1993 team.

I think the position players I may give an edge to this currrent team. The one similarity between the two teams, is that they traded for a player who could have been one of the top 2-3 players on the team, but were underwhelming post trade - Tulo and Rickey Henderson.

Also remember that modern statistical analysis has diminished the contributions of the C in WAMCO quite a bit.

cram · Post #11 » by **cram** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 5:48 pm

Hoopstarr · Post #12 » by **Hoopstarr** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 5:53 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Hoopstarr wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:37 year old DH Molitor over Josh Donaldson?

Molitor's 93 postseason
.447 .527 .851 1.378, 3 HR

If JD comes anywhere near that we're golden

Oh, I'm well aware of what Molitor did in the playoffs. But those results aren't exactly relevant when comparing the quality of the teams (or in particular, Molitor to JD as players).

They are relevant since OP is talking about a hypothetical series between the 93 team as we know it and what this one could potentially do. At least that's what it sounds like.

Randle McMurphy · Post #13 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 6:28 pm

Hoopstarr wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Hoopstarr wrote:
Molitor's 93 postseason
.447 .527 .851 1.378, 3 HR

If JD comes anywhere near that we're golden

Oh, I'm well aware of what Molitor did in the playoffs. But those results aren't exactly relevant when comparing the quality of the teams (or in particular, Molitor to JD as players).

They are relevant since OP is talking about a hypothetical series between the 93 team as we know it and what this one could potentially do. At least that's what it sounds like.

That isn't the way I interpreted the thread, but if that's the case then there's no way the 2015 can win this. The best they can do is merely equal that team's accomplishments and the odds are that are about 1/8 that happens right now.

On the other hand, if we're comparing the two teams on pure quality, you can definitely make the argument that 2015 is better.

mini · Post #14 » by **mini** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 8:22 pm

Don't forget that HOF Rickey Henderson was also on that '93 team. He wasn't his usual dominant self with us but still.

I think our current team wins. Our infield and outfield are better (I feel). Not sure about the pitching, I'd have to look at numbers.

It'll be interesting to see how our players respond to the playoffs that's for sure.

Sherlock · Post #15 » by **Sherlock** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 9:17 pm

JN wrote:Also remember that modern statistical analysis has diminished the contributions of the C in WAMCO quite a bit.

Modern statistical analysis didn't hit a 2-2 pitch over the left field wall in what has been the most memorable and exhilarating sports moment in my (and many others') life.

Just sayin'

Skin Blues · Post #16 » by **Skin Blues** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 10:09 pm

Phil A Xiao wrote:
JN wrote:Also remember that modern statistical analysis has diminished the contributions of the C in WAMCO quite a bit.

Modern statistical analysis didn't hit a 2-2 pitch over the left field wall in what has been the most memorable and exhilarating sports moment in my (and many others') life.

Just sayin'

No, but modern statistical analysis says if he had a better OBP the World Series might have been won before he even stepped to the plate.

Post #17 » by **JaysRule15** » Fri Oct 2, 2015 2:29 am

Even if the 93 team had a slightly better lineup, the 2015 team has a significantly better starting rotation and bullpen imo. The 2015 lineup would find the 93 team's pitching to be easy hittin' lol.

JN · Post #18 » by JN » Fri Oct 2, 2015 3:49 am

Phil A Xiao wrote:
JN wrote:Also remember that modern statistical analysis has diminished the contributions of the C in WAMCO quite a bit.

Modern statistical analysis didn't hit a 2-2 pitch over the left field wall in what has been the most memorable and exhilarating sports moment in my (and many others') life.

Just sayin'

But that one at bat, really does not have any relevance as to whether that 1993 team is any better than this 2015 team, and how good Joe Carter was (a 2.0 WAR player at this point). And as I mentioned before if you do the comparison it has to be regular season only.

tecumseh18 · Post #19 » by **tecumseh18** » Sat Oct 3, 2015 10:16 am

JaysRule15 wrote:Even if the 93 team had a slightly better lineup, the 2015 team has a significantly better starting rotation and bullpen imo. The 2015 lineup would find the 93 team's pitching to be easy hittin' lol.

Oh for sure. 2015 is more comparable to 1992, with Jimmy Key and David Cone in the rotation and Terminator still at the back end. It wasn't getting into any 15-14 games with the A's or Hawks. Morris was the 1992 Buehrle. Fortunately, Buehrle is not going to have an opportunity to melt down in the playoffs the way Morris did.

I saw all three teams (1992, 1993, 2015). 2015 isn't a team, it's a superteam. ESPN just picked JD for MVP and Price for the Cy Young. Oh yeah, Tulo's back, that's nice. Nice??? Tulo's a great player in his own right. Pillar got a lotta love from ESPN last night for yet another crazy catch. OK, he's not quite Devon White, but man.

I watched the first ever Jays game in the snow. I remember 85. This team, with Stroman back and pitching like a #1A, is just ridiculous - the best Jays team, hands down. It has no excuses for not winning it all.

[edit] And here's the really amazing thing. The 1992 and 1993 Jays had the highest payroll in baseball. Not so co-incidentally, the C$ was peaking then too, allowing the Jays to bring in Morris, Winfield, Ricky, Molitor, Stewart and such. But this year's Jays are doing it when the Canadian dollar is < 75 cents. That's good general managing.

Scott Hall · Post #20 » by **Scott Hall** » Sat Oct 3, 2015 10:48 am

Martin > Borders (loved Borders)
Olerud >>> Smoak
Alomar >>>>> Goins
Fernandez > Tulo (The Tulo we've seen to this point)
Donaldson >>>>>>> Sprague
Revere > Henderson (Yes its tempting to say Rickey or claim a tie but lets be honest)
Devo > Pillar (Not that dramatic of a difference)
Bautista > Carter (This ones killer still love you Joe)
Molitor > EE
Collabello > Darnell Coles

Price >>> Hengten (Honestly don't remember Hengten winning 19 games in 93)
Stroman > Guzman (Not to far off)
Stewart > Dickey (numbers might not say that)
Estrada > Stottlemyre (the mayor of Philadelphia can still kiss my ass)
Buerhle > Morris (certainly wasn't the Jack of 1992)

I like the bullpen of 1993 better although Timlin had an era of 4.69 that year?

And Cito > Gibby