Future draft classes

No-Man · Post #1361 » by **No-Man** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 6:08 pm

Really? I mean even if they both come back their rotation will be something like, Ulis, Briscoe, Hawkins, Mulder, Matthews and maybe Gabriel playing SF, like, Fox will be a guy with a big role regardless.
I think one of Briscoe/Ulis will jump ****, maybe even both.

EricAnderson · Post #1362 » by **EricAnderson** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 6:29 pm

Fischella wrote:UK might end up pretty dry, I mean Wynyard and Humphries will be there and they have SKJ and Gabriel, but it seems that maximum they will add another G, Monk or, Fox most likely.
Monk could go Newman on them staying local, Alkins looks like NCSt. is a strong option, Simmons and Maker are between UK and another college as well...

Most likely...

Briscoe or Ulis-Hawkins
Fox-Mulder
Matthews-Gabriel
Wynyard-Willis
Humphries-SKJ

That's what they would end up with I guess, maybe Alkins or Simmons will go to UK too, and maybe both Briscoe and Ulis declare.

Uk is favored to get both Monk and Fox if that happens that still a hell of a class. It just seems that for the first time Cal in the past year or so has lost out on more guys then his whole time previous at uk..

Duke is recruiting just as well if not better then uk and whoever thought Cal would lose a player to Msu.

No-Man · Post #1363 » by **No-Man** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 6:34 pm

It is not that he has lost them, he is just not the best at that anymore, Coach K is, since he got engaged on one&dones and understood the system he has consistently beat Calipari badly.
And rightfully so, he coaches in a better program, university and is a much (light years) better coach.
I think Monk will end up in Arkansas and stay home, like Newman committed to Mississippi St.
Alkins seems to be focused on NCSt. and Simmons could be a darkhorse but has favored Ohio St. heavily until now.
They might get Kobi and Fox, that's about it.
Duke is going to have one of best classes of all time, Giles, Tatum, Jackson, DeLaurier and Bolden most likely.

EricAnderson · Post #1364 » by **EricAnderson** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 6:44 pm

Fischella wrote:It is not that he has lost them, he is just not the best at that anymore, Coach K is, since he got engaged on one&dones and understood the system he has consistently beat Calipari badly.
And rightfully so, he coaches in a better program, university and is a much (light years) better coach.
I think Monk will end up in Arkansas and stay home, like Newman committed to Mississippi St.
Alkins seems to be focused on NCSt. and Simmons could be a darkhorse but has favored Ohio St. heavily until now.
They might get Kobi and Fox, that's about it.
Duke is going to have one of best classes of all time, Giles, Tatum, Jackson, DeLaurier and Bolden most likely.

Uk is still getting great classes Cal just isn't getting everyone he wants like he's been and like you said K is recruiting even better now and whoever thought Cal would lose a player to Izzo

Plus if you look at the 2017 class they're not predicted to get any of the top 5 and only 1 out of tre top 10

So while I don't think we should hold a collection for Cal he's still getting real good classes he's not dominating recruiting like he's been

Post #1365 » by **Marcus** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 6:45 pm

Fischella wrote:Really? I mean even if they both come back their rotation will be something like, Ulis, Briscoe, Hawkins, Mulder, Matthews and maybe Gabriel playing SF, like, Fox will be a guy with a big role regardless.
I think one of Briscoe/Ulis will jump ****, maybe even both.

I think Briscoe is gone after this year. Playing at UK should help him find at least a first round slot in 2016. Size, toned up, playing a more pure PG game now. I'm just leary on his adjusting his finishing game to combat the athleticism he'll run into on the next two levels. He had problems in HS as is.

Ulis i'm guessing will ride out all 4 years if he doesn't bounce this year. As long as one of the guard spots are open I guess Fox is fine situationally.

No-Man · Post #1366 » by **No-Man** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 6:54 pm

I am not a believer when it comes to Briscoe, I dont know how he is going to fit with the make up of the Wildcats, Murray is going to be featured as the guy and Ulis is a better PG than him, he is useless without the ball and he is likely not going to have it much.
Maybe he will get a late 1st promise out of potential and hype, but I highly doubt it.
Ulis is going to be a top PG in NCAA, he might even be college basketball best PG next season (Jackson, Trimble, Taylor, Paige, VanVleet, Barber, Dunn, Quarterman,... will be up there), he might come back for his Junior year, but if he gets 2nd round consideration he should move on, IThomas, Nate Robinson success will help him.

Post #1367 » by **Marcus** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 7:01 pm

Fischella wrote:I am not a believer when it comes to Briscoe, I dont know how he is going to fit with the make up of the Wildcats, Murray is going to be featured as the guy and Ulis is a better PG than him, he is useless without the ball and he is likely not going to have it much.
Maybe he will get a late 1st promise out of potential and hype, but I highly doubt it.
Ulis is going to be a top PG in NCAA, he might even be college basketball best PG next season (Jackson, Trimble, Taylor, Paige, VanVleet, Barber, Dunn, Quarterman,... will be up there), he might come back for his Junior year, but if he gets 2nd round consideration he should move on, IThomas, Nate Robinson success will help him.

Completely forgot about Murray. Yeah Briscoe might be the odd man out there then. Just as well, withot added bounce or a floater game it didn't look all that great for him anyway.

Post #1368 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 9:08 pm

Duke is killing the recruiting game cause of Capel from what I've heard

Post #1369 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 9:18 pm

Marcus wrote:I'm just leary on his adjusting his finishing game to combat the athleticism he'll run into on the next two levels. He had problems in HS as is.

Same thing has been said about plenty of below-the-rim guards like Kyrie, Steph and Nash before, but he has the touch/english/feel for the backboard and wide frame to close space a la Lowry to combat any deficit he has athletically that those previous guys did not have. Not too many guys can do this:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZayBriscoe/status/641333846923939840[/tweet]

Post #1370 » by **Marcus** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 9:42 pm

Undefeated wrote:
Marcus wrote:I'm just leary on his adjusting his finishing game to combat the athleticism he'll run into on the next two levels. He had problems in HS as is.

Same thing has been said about plenty of below-the-rim guards like Kyrie, Steph and Nash before, but he has the touch/english/feel for the backboard and wide frame to close space a la Lowry to combat any deficit he has athletically that those previous guys did not have. Not too many guys can do this:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZayBriscoe/status/641333846923939840[/tweet]

you named 3 guys with very good floater games which Zay's either needs work or use because its either non-existant or EXTREMELY underutilized and i've yet to see Briscoe use any of the kiss game touch of the aforementioned trio. I'm pulling for the kid and I hope he can make the adjustment because there's a lot about his game that I do like. just from watching him against pretty decent to very strong comp the finishing looks like a problem.

As for the vid.

OK.

If he can translate that into actual in-game play then its all gravy. All the kiss/spin in the world doesn't matter if you never get the ball to the backboard and that's what im concerned with. Seen him eat a lot of layups at the cup on his drives.

Love the size, handle, IQ, strength, quicker laterally than one would expect, love the mentality, and the work he's put in since getting to school. Still need to see a consistent jumper, a floater, and if adding that muscle helped his bounce a little. I don't need him jumping out the gym just getting off the floor quicker so that strength can play more of a part in getting into shot blockers and using this touch he's showcasing on his twitter.

Go_Hornets · Post #1371 » by **Go_Hornets** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 11:03 pm

Heard Kobe Brya...err..I mean Josh Jackson dominanted at the USA camp.

Wendell carter, fox, Mohamed bamba, and Tatum were very impressive as well

Post #1372 » by **Marcus** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 11:05 pm

Wendell Carter continues to beast out against the comp. Apparently he's killing it at the USA Basketball camp out in Colorado.

Josh Jackson
De'Aaron Fox
Jayson Tatum
Michael Porter
Mohamed Bamba (also killin it)
Jonathan Isaac
Marques Bolden
Troy Brown
Jarred Vanderbilt
Markelle Fultz
Jarrett Allen
Josh Langford

were all also in attendance and played well.

Post #1373 » by **Marcus** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 11:06 pm

Go_Hornets wrote:Heard Kobe Brya...err..I mean Josh Jackson dominanted at the USA camp.

Wendell carter, fox, Mohamed bamba, and Tatum were very impressive as well

lmao guess you were posting as I was putting my post together.

Post #1374 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Oct 5, 2015 11:42 pm

Marcus wrote:If he can translate that into actual in-game play then its all gravy. All the kiss/spin in the world doesn't matter if you never get the ball to the backboard and that's what im concerned with. Seen him eat a lot of layups at the cup on his drives.

Steph never had that underhand scoop floater that revolutionize the floater game until recently or the same foot/same hand extension layup he has today when he first entered the league and was one of the worst finishers around the basket. Nash developed his signature one-footed runner in the lane from learning/watching Dirk after seeing how effective his one-legged fadeaway was against guys more athletic than him and innovated the move for a guard and integrated that skill into his arsenal. All I'm saying is Zay's weakness finishing at and around the rim can be worked on and improved like those previous guys through timing and different footwork to distort the shot blocker. I mean, it's normal to be skeptical about his weaknesses, but players always pick up new skills and techniques which is why I'm not concerned about him.

EDIT: Long read, but good article on Malik Monk:

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/7/29/9039041/malik-monk-profile-recuiting

Post #1375 » by **Marcus** » Tue Oct 6, 2015 12:05 am

Undefeated wrote:
Marcus wrote:If he can translate that into actual in-game play then its all gravy. All the kiss/spin in the world doesn't matter if you never get the ball to the backboard and that's what im concerned with. Seen him eat a lot of layups at the cup on his drives.

Steph never had that underhand scoop floater that revolutionize the floater game until recently or the same foot/same hand extension layup he has today when he first entered the league and was one of the worst finishers around the basket. Nash developed his signature one-footed runner in the lane from learning/watching Dirk after seeing how effective his one-legged fadeaway was against guys more athletic than him and innovated the move for a guard and integrated that skill into his arsenal. All I'm saying is Zay's weakness finishing at and around the rim can be worked on and improved like those previous guys through timing and different footwork to distort the shot blocker. I mean, it's normal to be skeptical about his weaknesses, but players always pick up new skills and techniques which is why I'm not concerned about him.

EDIT: Long read, but good article on Malik Monk:

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/7/29/9039041/malik-monk-profile-recuiting

don't get me wrong, i'm definitely not saying won't or can't add to his game just saying that needs to be added or signs of it being added need to be seen. Im onboard with the Briscoe improvement train just waiting to see this thing take off.

Justwar · Post #1376 » by **Justwar** » Tue Oct 6, 2015 3:27 am

The downfall of uk is highly overrated. Giles just picked our midnight madness over dukes with several commits to sway him. And monk maybe goes to Arkansas but Mississippi st had a coaching staff with heavy Adidas connections Arkansas just has Mike Anderson. I think uk at the end puts the best class ever together

TheSuzerain · Post #1377 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue Oct 6, 2015 8:54 pm

Undefeated wrote:
Marcus wrote:I'm just leary on his adjusting his finishing game to combat the athleticism he'll run into on the next two levels. He had problems in HS as is.

Same thing has been said about plenty of below-the-rim guards like Kyrie, Steph and Nash before, but he has the touch/english/feel for the backboard and wide frame to close space a la Lowry to combat any deficit he has athletically that those previous guys did not have. Not too many guys can do this:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZayBriscoe/status/641333846923939840[/tweet]

Literally everyone in the NBA could probably do that.

Post #1378 » by **Undefeated** » Tue Oct 6, 2015 9:04 pm

No, they can't. And if they did they'd be like Kyrie. Probably only a few guys have that type of touch/english.

Justwar · Post #1379 » by **Justwar** » Tue Oct 6, 2015 9:26 pm

Plus he's cut bad weight, he's moving a lot better. He just needs to work on his decision making. A little too side to side right now when cal wants him to go downhill. You can see this all at Kentucky's yearly promotional practice Sunday on Espnu at 7pm.

Post #1380 » by **Marcus** » Tue Oct 6, 2015 9:41 pm

Justwar wrote:Plus he's cut bad weight, he's moving a lot better. He just needs to work on his decision making. A little too side to side right now when cal wants him to go downhill. You can see this all at Kentucky's yearly promotional practice Sunday on Espnu at 7pm.

yeah turning that East West to North South and using his size and momentum to more affect will be crucial.