Stanley Johnson tries point guard - and excels

[Snakebites]

You dont say?????

No, that's a very significant point.

The first part of your post compares Pippen unfavorably to Lebron. That's fine, he's not as good as Lebron.

However, the question here is "is Pippen a top 50 player?". There are lots of players not as good as Lebron (who is top 10 at worst) that still crack the top 50.

Dirk is another player I would not argue. He's better than Pippen, too.

Pippen's still top 50. There are not 50 players in NBA history who can carry teams to finals. There aren't even 20. Hence, if you make a top 50 list, its gonna include some guys who never carried teams to championships (and that's true even in the loosest definition of the term "carry".

No, it's not. people want to talk about how great he is when that year got to the EFC, setting the bar at getting to the EFC is a joke and many other players who arnt in the top50 made the EFC, so it's fair game

Yup Dirk is better but the point was people are bragging about Pippens overall game and his stats when there were some players who had similar stats and Dirk is who a better player but doesn't have the overall skill of a Pippen yet Dirk is still better. It shows how overrated Pippen is and how the game is played isn't just about overall skill, its your impact on the court, ability to lead a team and so much more.

Pippen is not in the top 50, He used to be but not anymore. You should really think long and hard about all the great players in the 70's 80's 90's 00's and in todays game.

There are 50 players who are better and I would pick and build a team around over Pippen

Pippen is a great 2nd option and supporting player.

I don't think continuing this discussion is going to be profitable. I'm gonna tap out.

Any top 50 list is going to include players who were NEVER the best player on a championship team, will include some that weren't even close.

[sfballa13]

I think you have Pippen confused with Jordan..

Pippen is overrated, So can Stanley be Pippen?

maybe, it wouldn't be that much of a reach but the hype for SJ is outta control right now tho.

Pippen is overrated?

It wouldn't be a reach to say that Johnson would end up being as good as PIppen? I thought i heard it all on this board but this one tops everything ive read.

SJ hasnt even played a regular season game yet and you think he will be as good or better than one of the best defenders and easily in the top 50 ever in NBA history?

Did you forget that Scottie Pippen, without Jordan, took the Bulls to the ECF?

My bet is you never watched Pippen play bc thinking Stanley Johnson is going to be as good as Pippen is not only a huge reach but it's borderline absurd

Pippen averaged 16 pts, 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block, on 47% FG and 33% 3PT over a 17 year NBA career playing against some of the greatest players in NBA history including the 90s Pistons, Magic Johnson, and Larry Bird.

Saying Pippen is overrated means you dont know **** about basketball. He is one of the most highly respected players in NBA history and especially by our current generation of NBA stars including Durant, Lebron, and Kobe.

The Goodfellas laughter gif just proves seals the deal

We better delete this thread, wouldnt want it to get out on RealGM that some posters in the Pistons forum think Pippen is not top 50, what a joke for real

kid you didnt even read my post, i never said SJ would become Pippen and I like how you over looked my post when i said """but the hype for SJ is outta control right now tho.""""

/facepalm

Scott Pippen made the ECF without Jordan??? whoopi **** doo, what did he win?? nothing... your setting the bar at ECF?? really ECF??? how many times did the 04 pistons make the ECF??? should i put one of them in the top50 as well

no what a **** joke

My bet is you never watched the 90's and you just got into basketball right now or in recent years or you watched a youtube of him and fell into the hype and became a sheep of everyone saying he is in the top50

top 3 or top 5 in the 90's and top 50 what a joke and that is really disrespectful to all the other great players that played in 90's 80's 70's 00's and now days.

Don't be a sheep people and believe the hype

I actually have seen Pippen play numerous times in Chicago and in Detroit

I also never set the bar as the ECF. Pippen carried the Bulls to one game within the Finals in one of the most stacked eras the 90s NBA.

Who gives a **** if the Pistons went to 6 straight ECF? Pippen was an All-Star and the second best player on TWO, three peat teams. No one on the Pistons in the Billups-Rip-Tay-Sheed-Big Ben even comes close to the talent that Pippen was, let alone a top 50 player.

And the fact that you are saying Pippen is not only overrated but not 50 proves that you are the one that watched Youtube videos. I watched every Bulls championship run and have seen them live. Other current and former NBA players agree that Scottie Pippen is a top 50 player and one of the best defenders of all time but you know more than current and former coaches and players right?

The best part is how you say that Lebron carried a terrible Cavs team to the Finals. You cant even begin to compare current NBA to the NBA players in the 90s. Larry Bird, Bad Boy Pistons, Hakeem, Magic's Lakers?

MJ's Bulls wouldnt have won more than 1-2 rings tops without Scottie, they ended up winning SIX titles. While most people believe Jordan guarded the other team's best player in crunch time, who the fcuk was guarding them 95% of the time? Pippen.

Pippen's stats over 17 years in the NBA are great, the fact that he is one of the top defenders in NBA history and won 6 titles, solidifies him as a top 50 player.

Stop embarrassing yourself


Stop embarrassing yourself

[BadMofoPimp]

Stanley Johnson will be >>>> Pippen.

[Shady_]

Who gives a **** if the Pistons went to 6 straight ECF? Pippen was an All-Star and the second best player on TWO, three peat teams. No one on the Pistons in the Billups-Rip-Tay-Sheed-Big Ben even comes close to the talent that Pippen was, let alone a top 50 player.

of course you missed the point....

And the fact that you are saying Pippen is not only overrated but not 50 proves that you are the one that watched Youtube videos.

Wrong

I watched every Bulls championship run and have seen them live

So have I, except see them live

Other current and former NBA players agree that Scottie Pippen is a top 50 player and one of the best defenders of all time but you know more than current and former coaches and players right?

Not everyone agrees with that especially if they were to redo the top 50 list and to say i know more than former, current, coaches and players is a weak arguement, the same could be said for you, me, and everyone else on this forum and don't make me get started on how players and former players always get their predictions wrong in the NBA for example Charles Barkley or Shaq on TV.

The best part is how you say that Lebron carried a terrible Cavs team to the Finals. You cant even begin to compare current NBA to the NBA players in the 90s. Larry Bird, Bad Boy Pistons, Hakeem, Magic's Lakers?

while I agree the talent is no doubt better in the 90's but don't sleep on the talent in the 00's and todays game off the top of my head, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett and so on...

MJ's Bulls wouldnt have won more than 1-2 rings tops without Scottie, they ended up winning SIX titles. While most people believe Jordan guarded the other team's best player in crunch time, who the fcuk was guarding them 95% of the time? Pippen.

wow I like how you can predict that you must have special powers kid....

yes the Bulls won 6 titles by a Micheal Jordan led team, HOF coach and with Scottie Pippen as the side kick playing off of Jordan

Pippen's stats over 17 years in the NBA are great, the fact that he is one of the top defenders in NBA history and won 6 titles, solidifies him as a top 50 player.

yup great stats that some other players had similar stats to that and yup he has 6 titles under his belt that he got from a Micheal Jordan led team.

Great Defender? Yep
Good or Great player? Yep
Top 50 Now Days? Nope


but anyways your arguements are weak and im tired of talking about Pippen and I already made my points, so i'm done talking about Pippen.

So you can get the last word kid.

[mercury]

LOL at the SJ comparison b4 he's played a game... Nothing against him... he has a winner's mentality.
Pippen was one of those guys you loved to hate (like Malone)... his true value was in his defense... this cat could cover positions like Rodman... long ass arms and cat quick... it took him several years to develop an O game... I'd imagine he would have been a no. 1 option on some other teams.

[Cowology]

You don't have to be a #1 option to be a great player. Hell, most of the best PG of all time were not the "#1" option. Magic? Stockton? **** Bill Russell, the winningest guy in history wasn't the #1 option on like, any of his 11 nba championships. Ben Wallace, while regarded as the Pistons most important player, was our last offensive option.

It may seem like a tangent to include such names but the point is valid; impact is measured in a plethora of ways and yet you seem insistent on stripping it down to the most basic of measureables. If Jordan sucked at defense instead of being a DPOY caliber player, would he still be regarded as the GOAT?

You have yet to address the fact that only a mere handful of players could actually meet your standard of carrying a team to the Finals by themselves and ignores the fact that the players great enough to allegedly do it all actually had really strong supporting casts (Jordan) or played in a **** conference and got spanked by the other team (LeBrons Cavs). Hakeem, who is generally regarded as one of the best C's of all time might never have won a single ring if Jordan hadn't retired. Would he be less the player?

You are dumbing down the argument, which is why people are giving up and walking away from the discussion. The arguments you are making are built on faulty predilections and refuse to acknowledge let alone refute the the arguments made in opposition of your view.

I could care less if you actually concede how "wrong" you are since it's a purely subjective question. You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided I believe it to be. But watching you try and defend it .... is painful.

[zeebneeb]

Well this is pointless. No sense in arguing (that's what this is. A discussion is people actually listening and conceding points when valid)when no one is going to budge.

I think my point remains valid though;

If Stanley Johnson becomes Pippen, this squad is going to win multiple titles.

[Maker_84]

i really hope he becomes a much better shooter and can move to the 2 spot. 6'6 is just small as hell to try and play the small forward spot in this league

[roc]

Who gives a **** if the Pistons went to 6 straight ECF? Pippen was an All-Star and the second best player on TWO, three peat teams. No one on the Pistons in the Billups-Rip-Tay-Sheed-Big Ben even comes close to the talent that Pippen was, let alone a top 50 player.

of course you missed the point....

And the fact that you are saying Pippen is not only overrated but not 50 proves that you are the one that watched Youtube videos.

Wrong

I watched every Bulls championship run and have seen them live

So have I, except see them live

Other current and former NBA players agree that Scottie Pippen is a top 50 player and one of the best defenders of all time but you know more than current and former coaches and players right?

Not everyone agrees with that especially if they were to redo the top 50 list and to say i know more than former, current, coaches and players is a weak arguement, the same could be said for you, me, and everyone else on this forum and don't make me get started on how players and former players always get their predictions wrong in the NBA for example Charles Barkley or Shaq on TV.

The best part is how you say that Lebron carried a terrible Cavs team to the Finals. You cant even begin to compare current NBA to the NBA players in the 90s. Larry Bird, Bad Boy Pistons, Hakeem, Magic's Lakers?

while I agree the talent is no doubt better in the 90's but don't sleep on the talent in the 00's and todays game off the top of my head, Lebron, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett and so on...

MJ's Bulls wouldnt have won more than 1-2 rings tops without Scottie, they ended up winning SIX titles. While most people believe Jordan guarded the other team's best player in crunch time, who the fcuk was guarding them 95% of the time? Pippen.

wow I like how you can predict that you must have special powers kid....

yes the Bulls won 6 titles by a Micheal Jordan led team, HOF coach and with Scottie Pippen as the side kick playing off of Jordan

Pippen's stats over 17 years in the NBA are great, the fact that he is one of the top defenders in NBA history and won 6 titles, solidifies him as a top 50 player.

yup great stats that some other players had similar stats to that and yup he has 6 titles under his belt that he got from a Micheal Jordan led team.

Great Defender? Yep
Good or Great player? Yep
Top 50 Now Days? Nope


but anyways your arguements are weak and im tired of talking about Pippen and I already made my points, so i'm done talking about Pippen.

So you can get the last word kid.

This is the second time you have called someone "kid" plus calling other opinions ignorant. Please refrain from these type of condescending insults. AKA attack the post not the poster.