10/3 Game Thread - The Orlando Magic Vs. The Charlotte Horncats

[Optimus_Steel]

I agree - Orlando City is the new thing in town. Also football gear is cheaper than basketball gear.

A further reason is simply...success / winning. There'll be lots more Magic gear round town if/when the team start winning. I remember visiting in 2009 and 2010 and seeing lots of Magic gear round Downtown, I-Drive, Winter Park and other areas.

My sister was on vacations in Orlando for 3 weeks about a month ago.
She bring me Detroit Pistons cap....srsly? I asked...
she said it was only one with bright colors (this was white) .... she didnt want dark or black ones cuz of the sun anyway she said there was no Magic ones to choose from ...even black ones )
also
said bring me Payton jersey or t-shirt...so she finally went to the magic store :O and didnt buy ...because ..they had only small and medium sizes?
well I would expect more from the official store :/ and a city with the nba team
anyway
lawl

Yea I've said it before on here, the promotion & visibility of the franchise around the city is horrible. Outside of the general vicinity of amway (downtown, winterpark,etc) you will not see a lick of magic promotion... the organization never does anything on the east side of town in terms of promotion or events... that is something they have been bad about even in our good years...

Losing has been a big reason but its true they have seriously neglected most of the community. It has not helped that JV and the Magic front office have been as tight-lipped as possible. Also when you got no competition you don't know what you are doing wrong. Now that Orlando City is here it's mixing things up and its showing the Magic that they desperately need to step up their game. This is actually a good thing, it will hopefully force the Magic to change things up and be more creative with their marketing and reach out more. Orlando City is doing some amazing things with how they've become ingrained in the fabric of Orlando. There are a lot of young people here looking to be part of something in the community and Orlando City has tapped into that, no reason that the Magic can't do the same, they just have to get out of their high horse and do grassroots campaigning like Orlando City is doing. I think having Skiles who is pretty much an open book will help. Also Rob seems more open.

[Rick Rolled]

Ok i accept.romanian men always stand to their words

You're a good, honorable man Patrick.

I appreciate anyone who is willing to defend their viewpoint, and you are honestly the first.

I can't wait to see how this plays out.

i suppose there isn't a happy ending version of this story where you both get to stay on the board?

Eh, we can probably come up with a less harsh punishment like OrlandO suggested earlier.

I'll definitely give him credit though, as much as I disagree with him, he's willing to back up his beliefs.

[Rick Rolled]

Ok i accept.romanian men always stand to their words

You're a good, honorable man Patrick.

I appreciate anyone who is willing to defend their viewpoint, and you are honestly the first.

I can't wait to see how this plays out.

I think the terms are a little extreme. Why not make a sig bet and/or have the loser change their user name to whatever the winner wants for 5 years... maybe have a poll with some choices at the end of the season for people to vote on lol.

I love the poll idea. I'll run with that if Patrick is ok with it.

[RickB-Orlando]

Ok, 10 or so posters have ignored my wager......

I want you to be different Patrick... I want you to be a man.

If the Magic win 38+ games this year, you delete your account, and never post on RealGM again.

If the Magic win less than that, I will do the exact same, throwing 10+ years down the drain.

Please, step up to the plate. Don't be a pussy like all of the others. Back your words up.

Ok i accept.romanian men always stand to their words

You're a good, honorable man Patrick.

I appreciate anyone who is willing to defend their viewpoint, and you are honestly the first.

I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Um...why? I'm all for betting and I enjoy gambling, but this seems more like a game of Russian Roulette than an honorable wager.

I've got an idea - if you both feel this strongly about it, why not just delete your accounts now and save us all the stress of waiting to see the outcome?

[Neon1]

My sister was on vacations in Orlando for 3 weeks about a month ago.
She bring me Detroit Pistons cap....srsly? I asked...
she said it was only one with bright colors (this was white) .... she didnt want dark or black ones cuz of the sun anyway she said there was no Magic ones to choose from ...even black ones )
also
said bring me Payton jersey or t-shirt...so she finally went to the magic store :O and didnt buy ...because ..they had only small and medium sizes?
well I would expect more from the official store :/ and a city with the nba team
anyway
lawl

Yea I've said it before on here, the promotion & visibility of the franchise around the city is horrible. Outside of the general vicinity of amway (downtown, winterpark,etc) you will not see a lick of magic promotion... the organization never does anything on the east side of town in terms of promotion or events... that is something they have been bad about even in our good years...

Losing has been a big reason but its true they have seriously neglected most of the community. It has not helped that JV and the Magic front office have been as tight-lipped as possible. Also when you got no competition you don't know what you are doing wrong. Now that Orlando City is here it's mixing things up and its showing the Magic that they desperately need to step up their game. This is actually a good thing, it will hopefully force the Magic to change things up and be more creative with their marketing and reach out more. Orlando City is doing some amazing things with how they've become ingrained in the fabric of Orlando. There are a lot of young people here looking to be part of something in the community and Orlando City has tapped into that, no reason that the Magic can't do the same, they just have to get out of their high horse and do grassroots campaigning like Orlando City is doing. I think having Skiles who is pretty much an open book will help. Also Rob seems more open.

Exactly right. Orlando City's fanbase is young. That is a recipe for longevity. OCSC is definitely not going to fade out. Anybody that has been to a game knows it'd night and day from attending a Magic game.

OCSC games are like going to a rave, while attending a Magic game is like going to the movies. Too many old corporate's there.

[Blue_and_Whte]

It's just preseason lol.

I know...WTF is happening?

[Blue_and_Whte]

It's just preseason lol.

Thats not how the coach or team is viewing it, so i disagree. That was about as brutal of a press conference as ive seen from a head coach, he ripped the starters and called out Hezonja for "terrible" defense on his first game. If he was just going through the motions, saying lets get match fitness and not get injured, id agree that "its just preseason", but Skils is saying the opposite.

As it should be. But you've got fans making predictions about the season based on 1 PRESEASON GAME.

[Blue_and_Whte]

This forum never let's me down with it's kneejerk reaction.

1st pre-season game and people are making judgements on players and the team

Skiles throwing Mario under the bus for his defense unprovoked is exactly why I don't like him keep that in house he doesn't need to be ripping players publicly

[Optimus_Steel]

Yea I've said it before on here, the promotion & visibility of the franchise around the city is horrible. Outside of the general vicinity of amway (downtown, winterpark,etc) you will not see a lick of magic promotion... the organization never does anything on the east side of town in terms of promotion or events... that is something they have been bad about even in our good years...

Losing has been a big reason but its true they have seriously neglected most of the community. It has not helped that JV and the Magic front office have been as tight-lipped as possible. Also when you got no competition you don't know what you are doing wrong. Now that Orlando City is here it's mixing things up and its showing the Magic that they desperately need to step up their game. This is actually a good thing, it will hopefully force the Magic to change things up and be more creative with their marketing and reach out more. Orlando City is doing some amazing things with how they've become ingrained in the fabric of Orlando. There are a lot of young people here looking to be part of something in the community and Orlando City has tapped into that, no reason that the Magic can't do the same, they just have to get out of their high horse and do grassroots campaigning like Orlando City is doing. I think having Skiles who is pretty much an open book will help. Also Rob seems more open.

Exactly right. Orlando City's fanbase is young. That is a recipe for longevity. OCSC is definitely not going to fade out. Anybody that has been to a game knows it'd night and day from attending a Magic game.

OCSC games are like going to a rave, while attending a Magic game is like going to the movies. Too many old corporate's there.

To the people that say that Orlando City is going to fade have no idea what is going on. As long as the people that are running the team stay they will be more than fine. Its really become a cultural phenomenon, this is not a flavor of month type of situation. Orlando City is making all the right moves. For example, they are running soccer youth teams in the area and building soccer fields in the community. You might not think that does much but what they are doing is helping introduce the sport and the Orlando City brand to kids before their teens years. Once you introduce them to the brand so early its hard to shake that. You might think that the Magic have done similar things with having the Junior Magic and building some community centers, but in reality they have neglected those, its mostly just the name.

The Magic need to do a better job of making it a more fun atmosphere. Its true the atmosphere is dead because you got all these old farts that are uptight and don't seem like they want to be there. The product on the floor doesn't help but that has been a problem even before that. Maybe the regular hard core fan has been priced out.

[Optimus_Steel]

It's just preseason lol.

Thats not how the coach or team is viewing it, so i disagree. That was about as brutal of a press conference as ive seen from a head coach, he ripped the starters and called out Hezonja for "terrible" defense on his first game. If he was just going through the motions, saying lets get match fitness and not get injured, id agree that "its just preseason", but Skils is saying the opposite.

As it should be. But you've got fans making predictions about the season based on 1 PRESEASON GAME.

The Hornets also beat Miami by 13 the following night. I guess Miami should just forfeit the rest of their games then lol.

[Rick Rolled]

Ok i accept.romanian men always stand to their words

You're a good, honorable man Patrick.

I appreciate anyone who is willing to defend their viewpoint, and you are honestly the first.

I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Um...why? I'm all for betting and I enjoy gambling, but this seems more like a game of Russian Roulette than an honorable wager.

I've got an idea - if you both feel this strongly about it, why not just delete your accounts now and save us all the stress of waiting to see the outcome?

Read the two posts directly above yours, we've changed the stipulations to make it a more light-hearted wager.

I apologize in advance for any stress/anxiety that the idea has caused for anyone.

When someone posts what I believe to be an extremely over the top negative viewpoint on here, I offer that bet to them to see if they actually believe in what they're saying, or if they're just putting on a show/trolling. I've seriously offered it to 7-8 other people, and Patrick is not only the first to accept, he's the first to even respond. I legitimately give him credit for that, and now it seems clear that he believes what he's saying. I respect that. He's also not one of these guys who calls someone an idiot just for disagreeing with him, those are the guys who never respond to the challenge. He gets a lot of flack on here for the stuff he says, but since it seems like he truly means what he's saying and isn't doing it to get a rise out of people, I'm not going to give him crap for it. Everyone is entitled to their viewpoint.

[tooler]

As it should be. But you've got fans making predictions about the season based on 1 PRESEASON GAME.

The Hornets also beat Miami by 13 the following night. I guess Miami should just forfeit the rest of their games then lol.

This board loves to go back and forth making fun of each other.

I think everyone rolled their eyes a bit when the team came out flat in the 3rd. Here we go again, all talk no action, etc. But obviously good habits aren't born in a week. Otherwise every team in the league would have a top 5 defense.

[drsd]

.... you've got fans making predictions about the season based on 1 PRESEASON GAME.

The Hornets also beat Miami by 13 the following night. I guess Miami should just forfeit the rest of their games then lol.

With no disrespect, that Kidd-Gilchrist is out for six months dramatically improves Orlando's chances to make the playoffs.


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[Blue_and_Whte]

.... you've got fans making predictions about the season based on 1 PRESEASON GAME.

The Hornets also beat Miami by 13 the following night. I guess Miami should just forfeit the rest of their games then lol.

With no disrespect, that Kidd-Gilchrist is out for six months dramatically improves Orlando's chances to make the playoffs.


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Really? How is MKG the deciding factor for Orlando's PO chances?

[OrlandoNed]

.... you've got fans making predictions about the season based on 1 PRESEASON GAME.

The Hornets also beat Miami by 13 the following night. I guess Miami should just forfeit the rest of their games then lol.

With no disrespect, that Kidd-Gilchrist is out for six months dramatically improves Orlando's chances to make the playoffs.


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Really? How is MKG the deciding factor for Orlando's PO chances?

It's not. MKG being out doesn't effect Orlando at all. Charlotte was going to be bad regardless of MKG's health. Just makes our 4 games against Charlotte a bit easier. Drsd is really over exaggerating the impact of a slightly taller Tony Allen on the playoff picture of the Eastern Conference.

[drsd]

Really? How is MKG the deciding factor for Orlando's PO chances?

It's not. MKG being out doesn't effect Orlando at all. Charlotte was going to be bad regardless of MKG's health. Just makes our 4 games against Charlotte a bit easier. Drsd is really over exaggerating the impact of a slightly taller Tony Allen on the playoff picture of the Eastern Conference.

Charlotte was 27-28 last season when Kidd-Gilchrist played and 6-21 without him. The Hornets allowed five more points per game when Kidd-Gilchrist did not play in 2014-15.

Let's say that the Hornets go 40% in the 27 games Kidd-Gilchrist did not play, if he had played, Charlotte finishes with 37 wins. That is 1-game out of the playoffs. There is every reason to think that the Hornets would have been as good this year as last. If I was a Hornet's fan, I would have been expecting a 41+ win season. Now I would expect at least 50 losses.


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[OrlandoNed]

Really? How is MKG the deciding factor for Orlando's PO chances?

It's not. MKG being out doesn't effect Orlando at all. Charlotte was going to be bad regardless of MKG's health. Just makes our 4 games against Charlotte a bit easier. Drsd is really over exaggerating the impact of a slightly taller Tony Allen on the playoff picture of the Eastern Conference.

Charlotte was 27-28 last season when Kidd-Gilchrist played and 6-21 without him. The Hornets allowed five more points per game when Kidd-Gilchrist did not play in 2014-15.

Let's say that the Hornets go 40% in the 27 games Kidd-Gilchrist did not play, if he had played, Charlotte finishes with 37 wins. That is 1-game out of the playoffs. There is every reason to think that the Hornets would have been as good this year as last. If I was a Hornet's fan, I would have been expecting a 41+ win season. Now I would expect at least 50 losses.


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MKG's injury has zero impact on Orlando's playoff hopes. Remember you are talking about the Charlotte Hornets, they are irrelevant with or without MKG.

[Optimus_Steel]

It's not. MKG being out doesn't effect Orlando at all. Charlotte was going to be bad regardless of MKG's health. Just makes our 4 games against Charlotte a bit easier. Drsd is really over exaggerating the impact of a slightly taller Tony Allen on the playoff picture of the Eastern Conference.

Charlotte was 27-28 last season when Kidd-Gilchrist played and 6-21 without him. The Hornets allowed five more points per game when Kidd-Gilchrist did not play in 2014-15.

Let's say that the Hornets go 40% in the 27 games Kidd-Gilchrist did not play, if he had played, Charlotte finishes with 37 wins. That is 1-game out of the playoffs. There is every reason to think that the Hornets would have been as good this year as last. If I was a Hornet's fan, I would have been expecting a 41+ win season. Now I would expect at least 50 losses.


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MKG's injury has zero impact on Orlando's playoff hopes. Remember you are talking about the Charlotte Hornets, they are irrelevant with or without MKG.

It does, he is their best defender and we have been behind them last 2 years so yes I think for us it improves our chances.

[OrlandoNed]

You guys give the Hornets and MKG way too much credit. They are irrelevant to Orlando's success other than just 4 games against a crappy team with no real potential to improve.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Let's say that the Hornets go 40% in the 27 games Kidd-Gilchrist did not play, if he had played, Charlotte finishes with 37 wins. That is 1-game out of the playoffs. There is every reason to think that the Hornets would have been as good this year as last. If I was a Hornet's fan, I would have been expecting a 41+ win season. Now I would expect at least 50 losses.


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MKG's injury has zero impact on Orlando's playoff hopes. Remember you are talking about the Charlotte Hornets, they are irrelevant with or without MKG.

It does, he is their best defender and we have been behind them last 2 years so yes I think for us it improves our chances.

Slightly..... Anytime a team loses a starter it obviously helps other teams chances but he wasn't going to be the deciding factor healthy or not.