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Post#21 » by Ranma » Wed Oct 7, 2015 2:14 am

nickhx2 wrote:can't really agree with that assessment. svg tried to fit a square peg into a circle in regards to smith. he wanted to start all three of greg monroe, andre drummond, and josh smith at the same time. it clearly didn't work and if svg was smart he would have had one of the three coming off the bench all year and never trying to play all three at once.

i do like svg a lot actually, but his lineup management was very poor with smith. i don't think anyone can excuse smith for taking those long twos that he's famous for taking, but you also can't put him in a starting SF role that is typically reserved for floor spacers.

smith's issues are not mutually exclusive. there's a specific anecdote i remember where i believe then-coach (lenny wilkens?) yelled at mike bibby for passing smith the ball since smith fired up a horrible 3. bibby's response was something to the effect of "THEN DON'T PUT HIM IN THAT F****** SPOT"

smith is definitely a flawed player. but just like with jamal crawford, his flaws can either be minimized or maximized with the right coach. i blame smith for taking dumb shots, but i also blame his coaches for not putting him in better spots where he won't pull that kind of crap. the blame is not mutually exclusive.


Fair enough. I agree that playing all three of Drummond, Monroe, and Smith ended up badly, but SVG just inherited the team and wanted to see what he had. Upon discovery of Smith's reluctance to fit into his scheme or discipline his game, he dumped him after trying to trade him to unwilling takers. It has since been a wakeup call for Smith, who was more willing to come off the bench for Houston and play more effectively as a role player, but still couldn't shake his tendency for chucking and risky passes. I generally agree with what you're saying about dual culpability in coach and player, particularly with respect to Doc and Jamal, but I feel that Josh was more responsible for things not working out with his relationship with Van Gundy because of the mindset he had.
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Post#22 » by nickhx2 » Wed Oct 7, 2015 3:37 am

yeah i can't say i know what happened behind closed doors. maybe svg felt he had no other choice but to start smith for ego reasons. he also perhaps thought he could be the one to mold smith but whatever the case, it didn't work out.

i'm kind of a big believer in getting what you pay for. you have a player who does dumb things? that's on him. you choose to actually put him in spots where he does even more of those dumb things? that's on you.

i am really praying that doc figures this out sooner, rather than later. but looking at his track record with jamal crawford, i'm not optimistic, to say the least.
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Post#23 » by Ranma » Wed Oct 7, 2015 6:17 am

I guess it is just a matter of perspective. Smith had a history of being who he was so it can be argued that Van Gundy should have known better than to expect anything different, but I can't fault him for trying. To his credit and unlike Doc, he cut bait soon after he knew it wouldn't work out. Will Jamal Crawford ever change? That's pretty much a lost cause. Will Josh Smith? I certainly hope so for the sake of our upcoming season. I'd like to think his ouster from Detroit was a rude awakening with some signs of recognition on his part that he needs to tone down his game during his run with the Rockets and his preseason sound bites thus far. It remains to be seen if that will be the case, which makes this gamble on a minimum deal so enticing for us. If he does, we may have Stan Van Gundy to thank for that.
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