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2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1161 » by Braggins » Thu Oct 8, 2015 12:22 am

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Braggins wrote:Id do it. I might try to swindle Shabaz out of them instead of Dieng. Thats probably too greedy though. Maybe Marv + Daniels + some kind of pick for Martin and Shabaz?

We'd probably have to give up our 1st with little protection- like top 7 or something. I'd still do it, honestly. Shabazz is going to be a great player, and Martin's a good scorer if we decide to just go all-in on the offensive end and punt the defensive end this year.

I kind of think I would too. I would want a little more protection, I think, but I might still bite.

Charlotte gets: Kevin Martin + Shabazz Muhammad
Minnesota gets: Marvin Williams + PJ/Daniels + 1st rd pick (top 10 protected) + 2nd rd pick (CLE)

Kemba - Lin
Martin - Lamb
Batum - Shabazz
Cody - Frank
Al - Hawes

I think I kind of love that. A lot, actually.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1162 » by Snidely FC » Fri Oct 9, 2015 3:49 pm

PJ Hairston to MIN for Damjan Rudez

Rudez is 29, but he has shot 40%+ from 3 for the last 5 years in a row in IND and Europe. (He shot 52% from 3 in Eurocup '13.)
A 6'10 SF, he's a late arrival to the NBA, but an experienced vet who can really play and who could start at SF in MKG's absence (he started games for IND last year).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syg63lb8Rdc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahWlsZklNys

Any of you guys livin over the pond know more about this guy?

Personally, I'd rather have Rudez than PJ right now, but I could see MIN liking PJ's fit growing forward with Wiggins, Shabbazz, & Lavine
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1163 » by Mattya » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:40 pm

Why would Minnesota have to add value to get rid of Kevin Martin? They have cap space next year even if he opts into his player option. No interest whatsoever in any of those deals, especially the Bazz deals.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1164 » by JDR720 » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:58 am

Avery Bradley and Perry Jones (expiring) for Batum.

clears up some of Bostons PG logjam and gets them a good SF for a playoff push. get us a good 3&D PG/SG on a solid contract.

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Nene (expiring) and Oubre for Batum and Hansbrough.

Washington moves Hump or Gooden into the starting lineup and Batum gives them some SF help if Otto struggles. gets us a high potential SG/SF prospect.

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Jrue Holiday for Batum.

Pelicans move Evans to PG and Batum gives them some defense and shooting. We get a starting PG (Kemba moves to 6th man)

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Kieff Morris and Warren for Batum

Suns get rid of Morris and we almost complete our future frontcourt rotation (Zeller/Morris/Frank/?)

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Exum (out for year) and Burks for Batum and Lin.

Utah gets a PG and versatility to push for playoffs, we get a high upside PG and a good SG.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1165 » by HornetJail » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:27 pm

^ Utah definitely doesn't do that one, but outside of that, I don't see any of these deals helping us. We're better off just trying to re-sign Batum.
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Post#1166 » by Braggins » Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:30 pm

If our season goes sour and we feel we cant resign Batum that Bradley + PJIII package is interesting.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1167 » by HornetJail » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:43 pm

Braggins wrote:If our season goes sour and we feel we cant resign Batum that Bradley + PJIII package is interesting.

I would push to get Bradley + James Young + PJ3
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Post#1168 » by yosemiteben » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:18 pm

Braggins wrote:If our season goes sour and we feel we cant resign Batum that Bradley + PJIII package is interesting.

They're not going to know for sure whether they can resign Batum by the trade deadline.
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Post#1169 » by Braggins » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:29 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:If our season goes sour and we feel we cant resign Batum that Bradley + PJIII package is interesting.

They're not going to know for sure whether they can resign Batum by the trade deadline.

They can assess the situation and make a judgement call. It would probably be best to play it safe. Batum leaving for nothing would be a disaster.
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Post#1170 » by yosemiteben » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:40 pm

Braggins wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:If our season goes sour and we feel we cant resign Batum that Bradley + PJIII package is interesting.

They're not going to know for sure whether they can resign Batum by the trade deadline.

They can assess the situation and make a judgement call. It would probably be best to play it safe. Batum leaving for nothing would be a disaster.

I don't think we're going to be in a position to know any more about his intentions then than we do now. The risk was already taken, we have to ride with it now and do everything we can to get him to stay.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1171 » by amcoolio » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:11 am

It seems to me after watching a large part of the three preseason games that Markieff Morris would be a great fit at PF. Especially a Kemba/Lin/Batum/Markieff/Zeller crunch time lineup. Would Phoenix entertain a Lamb/Williams/Future 1st trade for Markieff if they aren't in the running by January?

The three players out of place on our team IMO are Marvin, Lamb, and Jefferson.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1172 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:45 am

Martin would be a nice weapon to have and he should be on the market. My offer would be Marvin and PJ assuming Frank is ready for a bigger role by then.

I don't think you can long range target Dieng and Shabazz. They need to stay young and we could give them PJ and an expiring for a vet we can really rely on down the stretch.

If Cody and Frank are hitting from range at PF then Marvin is useless.

Getting Kevin Martin is a simple deal that makes sense.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1173 » by Diop » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:13 am

Yeah Martin would be a nice filler with MKG out, would Minnesota want our junk though?

I guess Marv being an expiring might help as it saves them a year of salary.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1174 » by Diop » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:15 am

amcoolio wrote:It seems to me after watching a large part of the three preseason games that Markieff Morris would be a great fit at PF. Especially a Kemba/Lin/Batum/Markieff/Zeller crunch time lineup. Would Phoenix entertain a Lamb/Williams/Future 1st trade for Markieff if they aren't in the running by January?

The three players out of place on our team IMO are Marvin, Lamb, and Jefferson.

I would not give up a 1st for Markieff
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Post#1175 » by Braggins » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:01 am

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:They're not going to know for sure whether they can resign Batum by the trade deadline.

They can assess the situation and make a judgement call. It would probably be best to play it safe. Batum leaving for nothing would be a disaster.

I don't think we're going to be in a position to know any more about his intentions then than we do now. The risk was already taken, we have to ride with it now and do everything we can to get him to stay.

If we are 10-15 games below .500 and not in the playoff race when the trade deadline approaches we would be wise to assume he isn't resigning with us and possibly try to trade him if we can get someone good who isn't expiring.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1176 » by yosemiteben » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:12 pm

Zach Lowe did a piece on the TWolves shifting from Martin to LaVine, which has really nice depth on Kevin Martin's game. I didn't realize he was more of a mid-range specialist off of the PNR.

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It wasn’t long ago that Kevin Martin was freaking awesome — an advanced-stats darling who canned 3s, got to the line at an absurd rate, and did enough on offense that you could almost ignore the damage he inflicted on the other end. He’s still pretty good; he averaged 21.5 points per 36 minutes last season, and he’s clearly a better player than LaVine today. The Wolves don’t really care.

“We want to put the best possible team on the floor, but not just for the present,” Newton says. “We have to develop young players. You may not like coming off the bench as a veteran, but if that’s the role we give you, we expect you to embrace it.” Martin was meant for a playoff contender centered around Kevin Love. LaVine is Flip Saunders’s “home run” shot for the future.

Martin doesn’t feel as well suited for the NBA of the 2010s — the NBA where Tom Thibodeau’s overloading defenses forced teams to get creative on offense and keep the ball flying side-to-side. Martin’s not really a catch-and-go guy off the ball, and he’s not a lead dog pick-and-roll distributor who picks out shooters all over the floor. He has cracked three assists per 36 minutes just once in his career. He likes to run off screens, catch the ball, survey the landscape, and go to work one-on-one.2

He’s a good shooter, but he still jacks too many long 2s — especially after curling around a pick, Kyle Korver– and J.J. Redick–style. Only 25 percent of the shots Martin took per game were 3s, per Synergy Sports. Almost half of Redick’s shots in those situations were 3s, and 75 percent of Korver’s came from beyond the arc.

Martin’s a very good shooter, but his unconventional release takes a ton of time to load up; he just can’t launch as fast as those other guys. If a defender gets lost under a pick, Martin has time to let fly. He also likes to nail contested 3s over smaller defenders who can’t bother his vision, even if they are standing almost in Martin’s jersey for the entirety of his windup.

Martin subsists mostly on midrange shots and by using his weirdo herky-jerky moves to goad unwitting defenders into “fouling” him. That trickery just doesn’t work as well as it used to, since the NBA decided the rip-through wasn’t a real move worthy of shooting fouls. Oh, Martin still punks some fools. He’ll catch the ball up top, make a big show of looking to his right as if a screen is coming, wait for the defender to peek for that pick, and then take a single dribble the other way — and right into his defender’s arm.

The second Martin feels contact, usually after just one dribble, he’s launching. Sometimes he gets the call and even nails some goofy floater. Sometimes the refs roll their eyes and an ugly shot bangs off the rim. He’s almost like a rich man’s Lou Williams, and just as Williams collapsed in the postseason for Toronto when officials wouldn’t tolerate his crap, Martin’s teams have cratered in crunch time to an almost absurd degree.

Martin’s skills just aren’t as valuable as they used to be, and that makes his utter inability to defend anyone an intolerable blemish for some teams.

But he’s still a valuable bench scorer on an affordable $7.1 million contract, and teams that need a little extra juice should take a hard look at him. Martin has a $7.4 million player option for next season, but that shouldn’t be a dealbreaker for anyone other than a Washington/Miami/Houston type carving out a specific amount of cap space for use on a specific target. And if Martin plays well, he should turn that option down to snag one last long-term contract at age 33.

Minnesota doesn’t need any more young guys, and Newton swears the Wolves don’t want to trade Martin. But Minnesota is out two future first-rounders; it would be nice to recoup one, or even to acquire another player between the ages of 21 and 40. Minnesota almost certainly won’t get a first-round pick for Martin, but there will be workable deals out there — especially after December 15, when free agents signed last summer become tradable. Some contender or playoff hopeful will struggle, feel desperate, and get ready to talk turkey.

Charlotte just lost Michael Kidd-Gilchrist for the season, and the Hornets are under enormous pressure to make the playoffs. They’re holding strong for now, but they’d have to think about a deal involving Jeremy Lamb and filler for a more proven guy like Martin. A 2-for-1 deal like that would leave Minnesota with one too many guaranteed contracts, but the Wolves could just waive someone cheap, or send an extra player into the Philly/Portland/Utah cap space. The Lamb type — a young flop, basically — is the target that makes the most sense for the Wolves. If the Kings even considered dealing Ben McLemore for Martin, the NBA should just burn the franchise down, but you can’t put anything past the Kings.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1177 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:23 pm

Yeah Martin is not worth much more than junk. I also think Lamb should not be gifted starter minutes. I think he should earn them.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1178 » by Snidely FC » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:01 pm

It's fun to play with trades to PHI on the Trade Machine. I mean, anything works! You can trade Al Jeff for Robert Covington!
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1179 » by wolves_89 » Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:18 am

Mattya wrote:Why would Minnesota have to add value to get rid of Kevin Martin? They have cap space next year even if he opts into his player option. No interest whatsoever in any of those deals, especially the Bazz deals.

I'd have to agree. The deals being thrown out here aren't even close from a Wolves perspective.
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Re: 2015-16 Fake Trade Thread 

Post#1180 » by euphorbus » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:25 am

This team needs another small forward with MKG out all, or nearly all, the season. If you can overlook the ugly tatoos, James Johnson on the Raptors has a very similar skill set, and the coach, Dwane Casey, hates him for unknown reasons. Whom can we trade to get him on the Hornets? Roberts would work per the ESPN trade machine.

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