Jazzfan1971's Early off-season review: Utah Jazz

The59Sound · Post #21 » by **The59Sound** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:42 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:Well, we've seen Alec run the point before. It's not that good of an option, he's a rather poor point and running point detracts the things he does do well from his game.

Like you, I'm not sure it would work starting Hayward/Hood/Burks. But in his scenario, it's really Hayward running the point, I think. Burks is only the PG to the extent that he's guarding/being guarded by points. In any case, Burks being the primary person running the offense is not a good look.

Post #22 » by **jazzfan1971** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:42 pm

I was listening to David Locke today and he made an interesting comment. The Jazz may not carry 4 point guards. I left Exum off the depth chart because I thought that the Jazz would get some sort of injury exception for him, but, apparently that isn't the case, so the Jazz will obviously carry him on the 15 man roster.

That means someone on that 15 man list isn't going to make it. Maybe Bryce Cotton, maybe Chris Johnson, maybe even Tibor Pleiss or Jeff Withey or Elijah Millsap. It's impossible to say right now, but, you can be confident that someone I had penciled in on the depth chart will not be on the team come opening night.

ConSarnit · Post #23 » by **ConSarnit** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:20 pm

Seems like they need a decent point guard in the worst way. Trey isn't going to cut it. Someone also made a good point about Exum a while back: he wasn't that good last year (decent defensively and that's about it). He will be out all of this year, which would have been another developmental year, and now that development time won't happen until 2016. If he is to become a good player it likely won't happen for at least 2 years. They need someone to fill that hole for 2 years. It's not like they'll be getting a top 10 pg back next year when Exum returns, he'll still be a work on progress. They have a good window right now. They can't just leave that gaping hole at pg, but then again I'm not sure how they fill it.

stitches · Post #24 » by **stitches** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:11 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I was listening to David Locke today and he made an interesting comment. The Jazz may not carry 4 point guards. I left Exum off the depth chart because I thought that the Jazz would get some sort of injury exception for him, but, apparently that isn't the case, so the Jazz will obviously carry him on the 15 man roster.

That means someone on that 15 man list isn't going to make it. Maybe Bryce Cotton, maybe Chris Johnson, maybe even Tibor Pleiss or Jeff Withey or Elijah Millsap. It's impossible to say right now, but, you can be confident that someone I had penciled in on the depth chart will not be on the team come opening night.

I don't see them giving Pleiss 9M contract in the summer to cut him in training camp. It's just not happening... like EVER! If he suffered a season ending injury, I still don't think they'd cut him.

Elijah Millsap is the other one that I think is a sure thing on the roster.

We have 13 players with guaranteed contracts. 12 of them: Exum, Burke, Neto, Burks, Hood, Hayward, Ingles, Lyles, Booker, Favors, Gobert, Pleiss make it for sure. Grant Jerrett I think gets cut even though he has ~1M guaranteed contract. I think Millsap is as sure of a thing as a non-guaranteed contract can be. They absolutely love him. There was a reason why he was the only one of our non-guaranteed contracts to not attend summer league - he simply has a different status to any of them. That makes it 13.
So there are 6 players - Bryce Cotton, Treveon Graham, Chris Johnson, JJ O'Brien, Grant Jerrett, Jeff Withey fighting for 2 spots.

I think the real decision will come down to 2 of Bryce Cotton, Chris Johnson and Jeff Withey.

Post #25 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 3:33 pm

And after watching Withey play I think he's gonna make the team.

Post #26 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 3:38 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:And after watching Withey play I think he's gonna make the team.

I liked him at Kansas and always thought his game would translate.

uraverage · Post #27 » by **uraverage** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 5:16 pm

Not a Jazz fan but really hoping Hood has a monster season. Watching him and Parker play for Duke it appeared to me that they were closer in talent level than most thought.

Post #28 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 6:56 pm

Hood always looks good out there, but you always get the feeling that he's just hot and will cool off. I need a bigger sample size on him to get comfortable that what I'm seeing is actually what he's bringing.

Really looking good so far though.

Post #29 » by **loserX** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 8:18 pm

I'm not quite sure what to think of Withey either. I'm intrigued by his promise and skillset, and it's clear a lot of other fans are as well. But the actual NBA...a league that generally treats young bigs like gold...couldn't seem to care much less.

stitches · Post #30 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 8:31 pm

Chuck Texas wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:And after watching Withey play I think he's gonna make the team.

I liked him at Kansas and always thought his game would translate.

I have to agree... he makes the team unless something truly unexpected happens.

The weird thing is... I bet the Pelicans would love to have him on their roster right about now.

californiadude · Post #31 » by **californiadude** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 11:02 pm

I really wanted GSW to grab Whitney instead of overpayong Barbosa. He's really a nice player imo. Question; Why do the Jazz always sign or draft the players I want my team to get?? It's really annoying.

stitches · Post #32 » by **stitches** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 11:24 pm

californiadude wrote:I really wanted GSW to grab Whitney instead of overpayong Barbosa. He's really nice player imo. Question; Why do the Jazz always sign or draft the players I want my team to get?? It's really annoying.

Withey for Livingston? Deal?

californiadude · Post #33 » by **californiadude** » Fri Oct 9, 2015 11:33 pm

stitches wrote:
californiadude wrote:I really wanted GSW to grab Whitney instead of overpayong Barbosa. He's really nice player imo. Question; Why do the Jazz always sign or draft the players I want my team to get?? It's really annoying.

Withey for Livingston? Deal?

Unfortunately you are talking to a guy who has an irrational love for Livingston. That's true for most GSW fans, It's akin to me asking you or another Utah fan for Rodney Hood in exchange for Harrison Barnes.

Winglish · Post #34 » by **Winglish** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:29 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:Hood always looks good out there, but you always get the feeling that he's just hot and will cool off. I need a bigger sample size on him to get comfortable that what I'm seeing is actually what he's bringing.

Really looking good so far though.

I never get that feeling with Rod Hood. I get the feeling that he is a coach's son who has a deep understanding of the game. I get the feeling that his fundamentals in almost every aspect of the game reflect nearly flawless form. His shot is beautiful. He sees the floor well and is an accurate passer. He plays the pick and roll game very well. His defense is much better than advertised coming out of college- He slides his feet, stays between man and ball, disrupts with length, takes the correct side when screened...

Rodney Hood is a solid, solid second year player. Very good. If he had a little more bounce to his game to play above the rim and just a little more physicality we would be talking about this guy as potentially an elite player.

Golabki · Post #35 » by **Golabki** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:50 am

californiadude wrote:I really wanted GSW to grab Whitney instead of overpayong Barbosa. He's really a nice player imo. Question; Why do the Jazz always sign or draft the players I want my team to get?? It's really annoying.

Golden state probably didn't do that because they already have Ezeli, Speights and Thompson splitting 20 minutes at backup center.

Golabki · Post #36 » by **Golabki** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:52 am

Winglish wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:Hood always looks good out there, but you always get the feeling that he's just hot and will cool off. I need a bigger sample size on him to get comfortable that what I'm seeing is actually what he's bringing.

Really looking good so far though.

I never get that feeling with Rod Hood. I get the feeling that he is a coach's son who has a deep understanding of the game. I get the feeling that his fundamentals in almost every aspect of the game reflect nearly flawless form. His shot is beautiful. He sees the floor well and is an accurate passer. He plays the pick and roll game very well. His defense is much better than advertised coming out of college- He slides his feet, stays between man and ball, disrupts with length, takes the correct side when screened...

Rodney Hood is a solid, solid second year player. Very good. If he had a little more bounce to his game to play above the rim and just a little more physicality we would be talking about this guy as potentially an elite player.

well if he's a coach's son...

Winglish · Post #37 » by **Winglish** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:24 am

Golabki wrote:
Winglish wrote:
jazzfan1971 wrote:Hood always looks good out there, but you always get the feeling that he's just hot and will cool off. I need a bigger sample size on him to get comfortable that what I'm seeing is actually what he's bringing.

Really looking good so far though.

I never get that feeling with Rod Hood. I get the feeling that he is a coach's son who has a deep understanding of the game. I get the feeling that his fundamentals in almost every aspect of the game reflect nearly flawless form. His shot is beautiful. He sees the floor well and is an accurate passer. He plays the pick and roll game very well. His defense is much better than advertised coming out of college- He slides his feet, stays between man and ball, disrupts with length, takes the correct side when screened...

Rodney Hood is a solid, solid second year player. Very good. If he had a little more bounce to his game to play above the rim and just a little more physicality we would be talking about this guy as potentially an elite player.

well if he's a coach's son...

I feel you. Hood's dad runs a YMCA gym. Rodney grew up playing every day of his life. His grasp of the game IS elite. Very well taught. So many of these young guys come with all the athleticism but lacking solid fundamentals.

Post #38 » by **jazzfan1971** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:47 am

I can't deny that. Hood does play extremely under control. He's quite smooth.

Catchall · Post #39 » by **Catchall** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:31 am

Raul Neto looks like a nice back-up PG. I'm not seeing him as a starter, however. He needs to develop much more offensive game inside and out before that's even a discussion.

Trey Burke looks like a slightly more efficient and under-control version of himself. I'm not sold on him as a starter either.

So... the Jazz need a real starting point guard, or this year is going to be funky. This Exum situation is throwing a wrench, becuase it's a question of who the Jazz are going to commit to for a season and a half while Exum recovers and develops a bit more. The solution might be to play Burks more minutes at the 1.

I like Hood coming off the bench right now because I think he has a lot more freedom to create with the ball in his hands in the 2nd unit.

Winglish · Post #40 » by **Winglish** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:09 am

Catchall wrote:Raul Neto looks like a nice back-up PG. I'm not seeing him as a starter, however. He needs to develop much more offensive game inside and out before that's even a discussion.

Trey Burke looks like a slightly more efficient and under-control version of himself. I'm not sold on him as a starter either.

So... the Jazz need a real starting point guard, or this year is going to be funky. This Exum situation is throwing a wrench, becuase it's a question of who the Jazz are going to commit to for a season and a half while Exum recovers and develops a bit more. The solution might be to play Burks more minutes at the 1.

I like Hood coming off the bench right now because I think he has a lot more freedom to create with the ball in his hands in the 2nd unit.

I could not agree more a out the point guard situation. The Jazz need a better PG and that's all there is to it. Waiting for Exum is going to be a mantra that wears on my patience as a season ticket holder. What if we wait forever like with CJ Miles?

I disagree about Hood coming off the bench. I think he plays too well with Gordon Hayward for those two not to be on the floor together. I think Alec Burks would be 6th man of the year if he took a liking to that role.