Hezonja or Wiggins?

Tayswagzzz · Post #81 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:16 pm

This thread is way too premature. It was actually posted on the GB too..sigh. If you made this at the end of the season, then Hezonja might see more votes.

fendilim · Post #82 » by **fendilim** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:18 pm

Tayswagzzz · Post #83 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:28 pm

Wiggins is an amazing up and coming player in my opinion, a lot of us were salivating to get the #1 pick so we could draft him.

AG could have a monster career himself (same draft class as Wiggins), he just needs to stay healthy. I think AG is going to do some incredible things this season if the guy can just stay healthy.

Skin · Post #84 » by **Skin** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:39 pm

Better question... Hezonja or Stanley Johnson?

Tayswagzzz · Post #85 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:40 pm

Skin wrote:Better question... Hezonja or Stanley Johnson?

Hezonja all day long.

Post #86 » by **Def Swami** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:44 pm

Skin wrote:Better question... Hezonja or Stanley Johnson?

Yep. Tough call, but still lean Hezonja. Johnson really makes you think twice though.

Still wish we had Porzingis. Would have solved so much for us.

fendilim · Post #87 » by **fendilim** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:45 pm

Def Swami wrote:
Skin wrote:Better question... Hezonja or Stanley Johnson?

Yep. Tough call, but still lean Hezonja. Johnson really makes you think twice though.

Still wish we had Porzingis. Would have solved so much for us.

As a passenger of the Porzingis Bandwagon since last year, I couldnt agree more.

RickB-Orlando · Post #88 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Sat Oct 10, 2015 5:53 pm

Isn't a tad early to be judging players from the most recent draft, as they haven't played a single regular season game yet?

shadrock · Post #89 » by **shadrock** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:19 am

Ok let me join in... Wiggins #1 for lyf because... he is ANDREW WIGGINS! YEAHHH!!!

Am i doing it right?

But seriously, its pretty fkn sad how many of you are blindly head over heels for Wiggins, and unwilling to actually critique his shortcomings... but whatever, keep blowing smoke up his ass. Ill be here to remind you all of this moment in three years when Hezo is dominant and Wiggins is still right where he is now...

Illmatic12 · Post #90 » by **Illmatic12** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:16 am

shadrock wrote:
jpatrick wrote:Wow. Just wow that this poll would even be made.

I think ive actually detected a pattern here. There seem to be a large quantity of people who blindly think Wiggins is the next coming of the lord based on, well, absoultely nothing. They watched some ESPN in 2014, heard some guy with a big face say he was going to be a prodigy, and read Chad Ford's mock draft, and then all of a sudden this guy is unquestionable. Still waiting for someone to tell me how he is going to be elite with no ball handling skills, low IQ and no feel for the game. Just waiting...

Paul George can't really dribble or pass either, and most people see him at the level of a franchise player. Wiggins is going to be at least as good as PG, probably better because he is more explosive and gets to the line.

No he doesn't project to be an elite ballhandling/transition wing like your Lebron, Harden, Tmac, Kobe etc. But Wiggins is going to be a volume scoring machine in the halfcourt, likely an efficient one once he refines his post moves and jumper.

Biggest difference = Wiggins has the type of game that draws FTs, Hezonja doesn't . Already as a rookie he started getting 10+ FTs a night, and like you say he can't even really dribble yet (currently he draws fouls solely off of his unguardable first step+ spin move). It's clear as day he'll be one of those players who gets whistles left and right like Harden, Durant etc. In today's NBA that is the type of player every team wishes they had, but only a few do. Hezonja is more reliant on his jumpshot , which could be streaky and not as consistent to build an offense around.

Just wait until Wiggins really bulks up and starts creating offense out of the post, people have already seen signs of him doing these things against legit NBA defenses hence why the hype is high.

Crabman · Post #91 » by **Crabman** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:37 am

shadrock wrote:Ok let me join in... Wiggins #1 for lyf because... he is ANDREW WIGGINS! YEAHHH!!!

Am i doing it right?

But seriously, its pretty fkn sad how many of you are blindly head over heels for Wiggins, and unwilling to actually critique his shortcomings... but whatever, keep blowing smoke up his ass. Ill be here to remind you all of this moment in three years when Hezo is dominant and Wiggins is still right where he is now...

Why are you so angry? What has Hezonja proven at the NBA level?

Gomagic44 · Post #92 » by **Gomagic44** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:18 am

fendilim wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
Skin wrote:Better question... Hezonja or Stanley Johnson?

Yep. Tough call, but still lean Hezonja. Johnson really makes you think twice though.

Still wish we had Porzingis. Would have solved so much for us.

As a passenger of the Porzingis Bandwagon since last year, I couldnt agree more.

Agreed, but the second NYK drafted him I lost my bandwagon status. Hezonja was my second pick.

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shadrock · Post #93 » by **shadrock** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:58 am

Crabman wrote:
shadrock wrote:Ok let me join in... Wiggins #1 for lyf because... he is ANDREW WIGGINS! YEAHHH!!!

Am i doing it right?

But seriously, its pretty fkn sad how many of you are blindly head over heels for Wiggins, and unwilling to actually critique his shortcomings... but whatever, keep blowing smoke up his ass. Ill be here to remind you all of this moment in three years when Hezo is dominant and Wiggins is still right where he is now...

Why are you so angry? What has Hezonja proven at the NBA level?

Im not angry, it just frustrates me when people take such an arrogant stance in an argument, yet cannot provide any substance to back up their view. You cant just blindly say "wow, what a joke" or "how is this a question" without explaining why you have that view. Im here at a basketball discussion forum for just that purpose, to have meaningful basketball discussion. If someone can validate their view by explaining how Wiggins can succeed despite his shortcomings, then ill listen.

Illmatic12 wrote:
shadrock wrote:
jpatrick wrote:Wow. Just wow that this poll would even be made.

I think ive actually detected a pattern here. There seem to be a large quantity of people who blindly think Wiggins is the next coming of the lord based on, well, absoultely nothing. They watched some ESPN in 2014, heard some guy with a big face say he was going to be a prodigy, and read Chad Ford's mock draft, and then all of a sudden this guy is unquestionable. Still waiting for someone to tell me how he is going to be elite with no ball handling skills, low IQ and no feel for the game. Just waiting...

Paul George can't really dribble or pass either, and most people see him at the level of a franchise player. Wiggins is going to be at least as good as PG, probably better because he is more explosive and gets to the line.

No he doesn't project to be an elite ballhandling/transition wing like your Lebron, Harden, Tmac, Kobe etc. But Wiggins is going to be a volume scoring machine in the halfcourt, likely an efficient one once he refines his post moves and jumper.

Biggest difference = Wiggins has the type of game that draws FTs, Hezonja doesn't . Already as a rookie he started getting 10+ FTs a night, and like you say he can't even really dribble yet (currently he draws fouls solely off of his unguardable first step+ spin move). It's clear as day he'll be one of those players who gets whistles left and right like Harden, Durant etc. In today's NBA that is the type of player every team wishes they had, but only a few do. Hezonja is more reliant on his jumpshot , which could be streaky and not as consistent to build an offense around.

Just wait until Wiggins really bulks up and starts creating offense out of the post, people have already seen signs of him doing these things against legit NBA defenses hence why the hype is high.

Thanks for the opinion. I can see the FT's as being a big factor, so that is definitely something i hadnt considered. I would argue though that the Durant's and Hardens of the league, who get to the line routinely, are better ball handlers though. But still, its a valid point. I was just watching the Minny preseason game, and Wiggins seems to lack the fire of those guys. Like he has 5 or so minute periods where he is just missing on the court, then he clicks into gear and looks a lot better.

Anyway, totally over this convo... lets move on.

jgosche · Post #94 » by **jgosche** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:15 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:I hate how every decent euro wing is compared to ginobili.

Especially since, ya know, Ginobli isn't European.

ivDT · Post #95 » by **ivDT** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:38 am

funny that paul george gets a mention in this thread. i was just about to say that wiggins may be reaching paul george levels of overratedness on this forum.

the circumstances are also eerily similar. everyone "knows" that wiggins is bound to be a star in this player. it's just something that all right thinking people are supposed to accept. no one wants to put themselves out there by offering an argument for why, though.

you suppose that might be because most of the posters in this thread haven't watched more than a handful of timberwolves games?

Crabman · Post #96 » by **Crabman** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:07 am

Why do you guys act like no one gave any reasons as to why we chose Wiggins? Look through the posts.
You keep talking about Wiggins' weaknesses, but every rookie has holes in his game. Even LeBron wasn't a good shooter, defender, or post player for his first couple of years (and more). He improved. Wiggins will do the same for his ball handling.

Furinkazan · Post #97 » by **Furinkazan** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:22 pm

Lol can't belive some of you kind of compare Wiggins as he is now( as if he also coudn't improve) to what Hezonja might be (Kobe esque).If we are talking about Now...Wiggins is a roy Hezonja is just yet another Euro player with shooting skills and potential.Not in a million of alternate universes such deal would be proposed to us and if it was you take it and run away.

Neon1 · Post #98 » by **Neon1** » Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:51 pm

Crabman wrote:
shadrock wrote:Ok let me join in... Wiggins #1 for lyf because... he is ANDREW WIGGINS! YEAHHH!!!

Am i doing it right?

But seriously, its pretty fkn sad how many of you are blindly head over heels for Wiggins, and unwilling to actually critique his shortcomings... but whatever, keep blowing smoke up his ass. Ill be here to remind you all of this moment in three years when Hezo is dominant and Wiggins is still right where he is now...

Why are you so angry? What has Hezonja proven at the NBA level?

Hell, what did he prove at the Euro level for that matter? He has NEVER been a starter at any level except youth leagues.

He's gotta prove he's better then Evan Fournier first.

MagicFan101 · Post #99 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:07 am

shadrock wrote:Ok let me join in... Wiggins #1 for lyf because... he is ANDREW WIGGINS! YEAHHH!!!

Am i doing it right?

But seriously, its pretty fkn sad how many of you are blindly head over heels for Wiggins, and unwilling to actually critique his shortcomings... but whatever, keep blowing smoke up his ass. Ill be here to remind you all of this moment in three years when Hezo is dominant and Wiggins is still right where he is now...

Who is head over heels for Wiggins?

The question was comparing a #1 overall pick who followed the hype up with a rookie of the year season while showing flashes to support the incredible hype again a #5 euro prospect who hasn't played an NBA game yet.

Change this to Wiggins vs another youngster with actual NBA experience like Anthony Davis and suddenly these same people would turn away from Wiggins entirely.

uraverage · Post #100 » by **uraverage** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:04 am

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MagicFan101 wrote:
shadrock wrote:Ok let me join in... Wiggins #1 for lyf because... he is ANDREW WIGGINS! YEAHHH!!!

Am i doing it right?

But seriously, its pretty fkn sad how many of you are blindly head over heels for Wiggins, and unwilling to actually critique his shortcomings... but whatever, keep blowing smoke up his ass. Ill be here to remind you all of this moment in three years when Hezo is dominant and Wiggins is still right where he is now...

Who is head over heels for Wiggins?

The question was comparing a #1 overall pick who followed the hype up with a rookie of the year season while showing flashes to support the incredible hype again a #5 euro prospect who hasn't played an NBA game yet.

Change this to Wiggins vs another youngster with actual NBA experience like Anthony Davis and suddenly these same people would turn away from Wiggins entirely.

Hell, what did he prove at the Euro level for that matter? He has NEVER been a starter at any level except youth leagues.

He's gotta prove he's better then Evan Fournier first.[/quote]

Well said, Mario is the third sg/sf on the depth chart in my opinion.

Would you swap Hezonja for Wiggins?