PRESEASON : PISTONS VS PACERS 7PMEST

[coordinator0]

Not really doom and gloom, just slightly disappointed with what I saw. I don't think Dinwiddie is going to stick around very long tbh. He showed a few flashes last season, but hasn't been able to consistently produce. It's too bad because Jennings is still a while off and blake is old as s. Dinwiddie had consistent minutes on a platter and he's done everything to lose them.
SJs finishing was a concern in college. Hopefully he get that out of his system because he's doing the hard work to get to the rim and then doesn't utilize. He made up for some misses though.

This year is going to be big for him. He kind of gets a pass for last season after coming off that ACL injury. Only playing 17 games at PG in college (before he got injured) is something to be considered too, but Dinwiddie still looks nothing like the guy he was at Colorado.

[mattao313]

Didn't watch the game but the boxscore was underwhelming. Andre beasted on the boards but 17 points on 20 shots is bad. Too many TOs for Reggie. At least Ilyasova had a good game.

Yeah I didn't watch either but I'm guessing his rebounds came from his own misses so i can kinda deal with that. But yea reggie has been a turnover machine so far.

[Todd3]

Didn't watch the game but the boxscore was underwhelming. Andre beasted on the boards but 17 points on 20 shots is bad. Too many TOs for Reggie. At least Ilyasova had a good game.

His FGAs and rebs were both inflated by each other. He had a lot of those 2-3 tap putbacks that made his rebs look better but his FGAs look worse than it really was. Overall he was great individually, but the team as a whole didnt play together, too much iso ball.

[Neptune]

Good preseason game by my guys Dre, Stanley and Morris.

17pts, 7ast, and 5to's for Reggie? Folks can't do that in the regular season man. Come on 80 million dollar man!

[MotownMadness]

Good preseason game by my guys Dre, Stanley and Morris.

17pts, 7ast, and 5to's for Reggie? Folks can't do that in the regular season man. Come on 80 million dollar man!

I know, I'm actually going to look into it cause I don't think I've ever even heard of starting PG having 5 TOs in 1 game

[Pharaoh]

Need to start passing the ball and playing much more team ball (assisted v unassisted shot attempts stats explain why)

Also need to fix the D

Lack og intensity needs to be addressed real soon cause it's almost opening night

[tmorgan]

Good lord Dinwiddie sucks. I have faith that Stan knows this.

[Moses ShamMoses]

Good lord Dinwiddie sucks. I have faith that Stan knows this.

The problem is Stan doesn't have any other options in camp. Jennings and Blake are both injured (Blake should return soon), but he probably makes the cut just because of the injury situation. If they cut him they will need to sign another point guard, which might not be a terrible option at this point. I think the best option is to wait it out and see If Steve Blake can help.

[Redeemed]

Good lord Dinwiddie sucks. I have faith that Stan knows this.

The problem is Stan doesn't have any other options in camp. Jennings and Blake are both injured (Blake should return soon), but he probably makes the cut just because of the injury situation. If they cut him they will need to sign another point guard, which might not be a terrible option at this point. I think the best option is to wait it out and see If Steve Blake can help.

Stan's got a Swiss army knife option named Stan(imal). He already has a better handle on things than Dinwiddie. I could see SVG running the offense like he did in Orlando with Hedu running things and Miami with Odom running things. Offense could go through Stanimal or at least have Morris bring it up as a power forward or let Meeks have opportunities to initiate the offense.

We are hardly without options and right now as much as I like him, Dinwiddie is not our best remaining option to backup RJ. SJ is.

[Billl]

Good preseason game by my guys Dre, Stanley and Morris.

17pts, 7ast, and 5to's for Reggie? Folks can't do that in the regular season man. Come on 80 million dollar man!

I know, I'm actually going to look into it cause I don't think I've ever even heard of starting PG having 5 TOs in 1 game

Westbrook averaged 4.4 per game last year. He had 5+ to's about half the time. John Wall had 5+ turnover games 27 times last season.

But yes, it's a concern. RJ wasn't aggressive enough offensively to justify that high of a TO number. If you are playing big minutes and dominating the ball and getting into the paint, you are likely to have relatively high turnover numbers. If you are mostly passing round the perimeter and dumping it into Dre, you have to take better care of the ball. Half the point of having all these perimeter shooters is to have easy kickout passes out of the post or drive.

[fekz]

Good preseason game by my guys Dre, Stanley and Morris.

17pts, 7ast, and 5to's for Reggie? Folks can't do that in the regular season man. Come on 80 million dollar man!

I know, I'm actually going to look into it cause I don't think I've ever even heard of starting PG having 5 TOs in 1 game

Westbrook averaged 4.4 per game last year. He had 5+ to's about half the time. John Wall had 5+ turnover games 27 times last season.

But yes, it's a concern. RJ wasn't aggressive enough offensively to justify that high of a TO number. If you are playing big minutes and dominating the ball and getting into the paint, you are likely to have relatively high turnover numbers. If you are mostly passing round the perimeter and dumping it into Dre, you have to take better care of the ball. Half the point of having all these perimeter shooters is to have easy kickout passes out of the post or drive.

Our guys need to rotate more and try to get open. Too many times I watched where they stood and watched RJ with the ball.

[Liqourish]

Except for intensity, this team hasn't shown it for a full game yet this preseason, effort and intensity isn't something that needs to be coached, either players have it or they don't.

Preseason. I'll be concerned if there are massive ups and downs in the regular season.

You have to remember that we don't have blake, or Jennings back at pg. Spencer has just been destroying any flow in the game everytime he steps on the floor.

Why do you think reggie played that minute in the 4th?

New players added, I expect there to be lapses.

jackattaq might be worse than maker_84. He actually seems serious with his extreme pessimism

I thought it was a parody account.

[RSCD3_]

Good preseason game by my guys Dre, Stanley and Morris.

17pts, 7ast, and 5to's for Reggie? Folks can't do that in the regular season man. Come on 80 million dollar man!

I know, I'm actually going to look into it cause I don't think I've ever even heard of starting PG having 5 TOs in 1 game

Westbrook averaged 4.4 per game last year. He had 5+ to's about half the time. John Wall had 5+ turnover games 27 times last season.

But yes, it's a concern. RJ wasn't aggressive enough offensively to justify that high of a TO number. If you are playing big minutes and dominating the ball and getting into the paint, you are likely to have relatively high turnover numbers. If you are mostly passing round the perimeter and dumping it into Dre, you have to take better care of the ball. Half the point of having all these perimeter shooters is to have easy kickout passes out of the post or drive.

To add on high turnover numbers arent too bad if they minimize the amount of turnovers the rest of the team would incur if other player besides the point were handling it more often. It's why a volume play making guard with can have almost 4 turnovers a game but their team turnover rate is still noticeably better than when they are in the game vs when they're on the bench

[Todd3]

Good lord Dinwiddie sucks. I have faith that Stan knows this.

The problem is Stan doesn't have any other options in camp. Jennings and Blake are both injured (Blake should return soon), but he probably makes the cut just because of the injury situation. If they cut him they will need to sign another point guard, which might not be a terrible option at this point. I think the best option is to wait it out and see If Steve Blake can help.

Stan's got a Swiss army knife option named Stan(imal). He already has a better handle on things than Dinwiddie. I could see SVG running the offense like he did in Orlando with Hedu running things and Miami with Odom running things. Offense could go through Stanimal or at least have Morris bring it up as a power forward or let Meeks have opportunities to initiate the offense.

We are hardly without options and right now as much as I like him, Dinwiddie is not our best remaining option to backup RJ. SJ is.

My guess is Stan wants SJ to get comfortable playing the position he will play when the season starts, and not cloud him with having to learn the point too. I agree though I would much rather see him at PG than DIMWITtie right now. If Blake isnt ready by opening night I would definitely use SJ over him vs ATL or else he is going to cost us that game.

I havent watched a lot of other teams yet this year but Spencer is probably playing the worst of any PG this preseason

[Todd3]

Reggie's averages through 3 games

14 pts, 7 asts, 5 rebs, 45% FG, 55% 3P, 4 TO, 28 MPG

Needs to work on the TOs but other than that he has picked up right where he left off last year, statistically. Also, might soon be time to remove the 'cant shoot' label from Jackson as well. He finished last year around 40% 3P down the stretch and it appears to have carried over and not been a fluke.

[Billl]

Reggie has made exactly 5 3's so far. There is nothing you can determine from a sample size that small.

I do think he's a rhythm player though. He's not one of those instant guys who comes in off the bench and immediately hits a jumpshot. If he works his way into the game and just takes open shots in the offense, his 3 looks decent.

[Todd3]

Reggie has made exactly 5 3's so far. There is nothing you can determine from a sample size that small.

I do think he's a rhythm player though. He's not one of those instant guys who comes in off the bench and immediately hits a jumpshot. If he works his way into the game and just takes open shots in the offense, his 3 looks decent.

He is taking 3 per game which is a legit sample size for threes. The same amount per game he took over the last 22 games last season, which he converted at 38%. So while the 3 game sample is too small in itself (and I dont expect him to maintain 55% from 3 regardless), when you look at it as a continuation of where he left off last year its not a small sample. Thats now 25 games.

I dont know if its a rhythm thing with him as much as its when he takes them. When he is set he is very good. When taking them off the dribble, not so much. The positive is if he becomes a good spot shooter we can play him off the ball more. The negative is if defenses know he can only make 3s when set, it makes it easier to defend him in pick and rolls off the dribble. Still, teams have known this his whole career and havent been good at stopping him in p&r regardless, so it wont change much there. It can make us more versatile as a team though if he can play off the ball with Jennings and Johnsons ability as ball handlers.