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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1561 » by spaceballer » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:53 pm

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TinmanZBoy wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-open-knicks-return-team-not-article-1.2401360


With the Triangle, there's not much reason to spend money at the PG position. Especially when they're still stuck with Calderon's big contract as the price of offloading albatross guys in trade, and they've got cheap drafted guys on rookie contracts. The triangle only needs a 3&D defender (like Fisher), not a star PG. Money is better spent elsewhere with that offense.


2 mil per year is not star PG pay though.


The 2M discount was only because Cliff convinced him it was a good system for him, and with the promise of minutes, and the structure of the contract with the opt out.

The triangle wouldn't have been a system that showcased him, so wouldn't have gotten him on a 2M contract. He did turn down larger money elsewhere.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1562 » by KM6 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:56 pm

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With the Triangle, there's not much reason to spend money at the PG position. Especially when they're still stuck with Calderon's big contract as the price of offloading albatross guys in trade, and they've got cheap drafted guys on rookie contracts. The triangle only needs a 3&D defender (like Fisher), not a star PG. Money is better spent elsewhere with that offense.


2 mil per year is not star PG pay though.


The 2M discount was only because Cliff convinced him it was a good system for him, and with the promise of minutes, and the structure of the contract with the opt out.

The triangle wouldn't have been a system that showcased him, so wouldn't have gotten him on a 2M contract. He did turn down larger money elsewhere.



Lets see if his production is truly worthy of the 2 mil contract this year then.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1563 » by Vae Victus » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:57 pm

Pity he's not playing....

Err right. I think i need to set some things straight for about at least a significant % of Lin's fanbase. And better explain the Jackie Robinson metaphor that is often poorly explained.

A significant chunk of his fans are Taiwanese(Chinese)-American. He's one of OUR own. Yao Ming, superstar that he was, is MAINLAND-CHINESE, and thus belongs to China as their hero/idol (not that it stopped me from squeeing like a fangirl at his accomplishments, we asian males need to take our heroes wherever we can get em). Not to mention he's a goddamn genetic freak of a giant, that literally encapsulates the fact that you must be a freak of nature to get in as an Asian. Lin literally represents the hopes and dreams of alot of us (more average sized mortals) that were denied in not only way we are looked upon, but also at what we can possibly accomplish in the sports world. Essentially Asian-Americans can be pro athletes too.

Lin was able to break through and show the world that not all asian men are nerdy geeks and show Chinese/Taiwanese parents that YES, your asian american kid CAN succeed in professional sports. Even without his insane Linsanity run, which only really hyped him up to the casuals, an asian-AMERICAN can make the big show.

Lemme give a personal example. I was 2 sport star in HS (bball and football). I was a HUGE 6'3" athletic terror of a 2 way linemen (270 lbs, 4.9s 40m dash) on the gridiron (bball sure helped with the footwork/speed), breaking local, albeit lower, divisional records. A bunch of the lesser D1 schools were actually scouting me (Oregon before they got good, Oregon State, Washington, a few others). My dream was to get a scholarship to play for one of the better Pac-10 programs like Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC. Failing to get a scholarship i was hoping to get in on basis of my grades and walk on. Sadly my grades werent the toppest of notches (3.6 gpa, 1500 SAT light on extracurrics except sports) and none of my dream football schools offered me a scholarship, the others i didnt even bother to reply or answer. Of the 4 listed i was only able to get into USC, which at the time was ALOT easier to get into compared to nowadays (and my bro was an alum too). Well whatever, no academic/athletic scholarship, my family's rich, i'm ready to accept and see how much ass i can kick on the field and who knows maybe i can make the NFL and join Dat Nguyen as another asian.

My mom told me flat out (damn dad was a pushover cuz while he did want me to play but didnt want to fight for it), if i play ANY organized sport that actively takes significant time from my studies that they WILL NOT PAY for my tuition. Now USC isnt cheap and being the ignorant HS kid who didnt know much except loans are EVIL, i had my sports dreams crushed right then and there. Maybe if i had gotten into UCLA or Cal with its MUCH lower tuition, i can thumb my nose at my mom, borrow money, and just go. I begged my grandparents and other relatives to support me, or help pay for my USC tuition, but they agreed with my mom that sports should NOT take time away from my studies, and that i should stop WASTING it since it's not like i was gonnna make it to the NFL or something. So off i went to UCSD bummed with life, my older bro (by 6 years) who went to USC was bummed too, he tried to walk on and didnt get far (he was 6'1" 230, he just didnt have the size/talent). He simply told me i had the talent to hang, and if he coulda paid for me he would have, just to give me a shot....

Now 9 years later here comes Jeremy, obviously people like me and my bro jumped on that bandwagon while he was at Harvard, cuz here's some lil asian dude showing up NBA prospects! Then he makes the NBA by the slimmest of margins, we celebrate wildly cuz one OF OUR OWN MADE IT.... then Linsanity happens and he's the toast of the world and asian mothers all over wished they had HIM as their son....

For alot of his fans it's pretty much racial, religious, or a fad. For a few like me, its WAAAAAAY personal. Nowadays, i always wonder, what if i had tried walking on at USC, what if i had the courage to believe more in myself, what if we had his example to point at (i did try to use Dat Nguyen as an example but my mom spat at it just saying he's "Vietnamese")... from that day my father, brother, and me, we just wonder and live with regret that i never was allowed to try (my dad is hit with the guilt the most).

THIS is where the Jackie Robinson metaphor comes
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1564 » by anthoang » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:16 am

Vae Victus, sadly your story and your asian parents are typical of an asian-american household. Majority of Asian parents stresses studies over sports. Especially, those who immigrated from Asia. Asian parents play the odds -- a son would do better financially with an education than no education.

Now, if only more black parents would stress studies over sports. Black parents think they'll hit the jackpot if their son plays in the NBA, so that their son can buy them a house.

White parents don't care, they've got enough money in inheritance to allow their kids to play as much sports as they want.

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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1565 » by dialtone888 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:27 am

new guy here, altho not the first time on Real GM , and been lurking the hornets for a couple of days, and i've learned new things too, i don't know if it has been posted, and i'm not going back 70 pages to check.

For those who did'nt know, during the Revolutionary War, General Charles Cornwallis called Charlotte "hornet's nest of rebellion" , funny i've never recalled reading that in hischool lol, i prolly did but forgot

2nd thing was that the word Hornets rhyme and sound exactly like the word "Insane" in Chinese, so "Linsanity" in chinese sounds exactlly like "LinHornets" in english , ain't that interesting?
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1566 » by lin is ok » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:58 am

Lin is not even competing aginst kemba for minutes now. Its lamb vs lin at this point for the sg starting spot.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1567 » by fatlever » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:16 am

anthoang wrote:Vae Victus, sadly your story and your asian parents are typical of an asian-american household. Majority of Asian parents stresses studies over sports. Especially, those who immigrated from Asia. Asian parents play the odds -- a son would do better financially with an education than no education.

Now, if only more black parents would stress studies over sports. Black parents think they'll hit the jackpot if their son plays in the NBA, so that their son can buy them a house.

White parents don't care, they've got enough money in inheritance to allow their kids to play as much sports as they want.


Lets not go down this road. Thanks. This type of generalized race commentary is not welcome.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1568 » by HornetJail » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:06 am

dialtone888 wrote:2nd thing was that the word Hornets rhyme and sound exactly like the word "Insane" in Chinese, so "Linsanity" in chinese sounds exactlly like "LinHornets" in english , ain't that interesting?

Didn't know that. That's pretty neat actually.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1569 » by tonman » Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:33 am

KM6 wrote:
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2 mil per year is not star PG pay though.


The 2M discount was only because Cliff convinced him it was a good system for him, and with the promise of minutes, and the structure of the contract with the opt out.

The triangle wouldn't have been a system that showcased him, so wouldn't have gotten him on a 2M contract. He did turn down larger money elsewhere.



Lets see if his production is truly worthy of the 2 mil contract this year then.


unless he gets injured, the moment he sets foot on the court for the first game, he's earned his 2M contract. part of the nba is entertainment, and he's a major draw globally.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1570 » by kastuul » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:05 am

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KM6 wrote:
spaceballer wrote:
With the Triangle, there's not much reason to spend money at the PG position. Especially when they're still stuck with Calderon's big contract as the price of offloading albatross guys in trade, and they've got cheap drafted guys on rookie contracts. The triangle only needs a 3&D defender (like Fisher), not a star PG. Money is better spent elsewhere with that offense.


2 mil per year is not star PG pay though.


The 2M discount was only because Cliff convinced him it was a good system for him, and with the promise of minutes, and the structure of the contract with the opt out.

The triangle wouldn't have been a system that showcased him, so wouldn't have gotten him on a 2M contract. He did turn down larger money elsewhere.


Totally agree.
The team who didn't make sense on not signing Lin is the Dallas Mavericks, not the Knicks.
They said they want Parsons to run PnR with DAJ.

If Lin waited, he could have signed with the Nets or Nuggets.

The Lakers played triangle when Kobe is on the floor.
Lin should hate that offense.
Don't understand why Lin's agent call the Knicks.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1571 » by anthoang » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:17 pm

fatlever wrote:
Lets not go down this road. Thanks. This type of generalized race commentary is not welcome.


I agree. Let's keep this to a sports-only forum. If people want to talk about race, they can go to the Donald Trump forum.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1572 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:39 am

The previous post about race is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this board.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1573 » by 13th Man » Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:56 am

Agree, no place for race-baiting posts.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1574 » by lin is ok » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:15 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:The previous post about race is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this board.


Actually I kind of understand his point of view and get it, but it seriously sets him up for all sorts of vulnerable attacks, a sort thing one reveals in a safe environment, not in a internet Forum!
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1575 » by fatlever » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:25 am

No need to discuss that post any further. Lets just get back to Lin and his awesome hair, amazing passes and soon-to-be acting accolades from his recent sitcom debut.
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Post#1576 » by gumblin » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:30 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Lin is a sports icon and Frank Robinson is the reason blacks played in MLB.

I'm sorry, it was a well intended post and all but it's just funny to me.


That was poor. But think of it like the way Tiger Woods impacted blacks and golf. Not because he flat out dominated, which Lin clearly doesn't. But because of the stereotypes he broke and the new african american market he brought in. African americans didn't watch golf. Period. Then they did. Not just because he was out of this world good, but because he was African American.

Now, what makes Lin different than say Yao Ming is that he's an American. If he wasn't Asian American, he wouldn't be getting as much publicity. A lot of us relate to him. A lot of us were born here and to see a 6'3 asian guy making it in a sport where Asian americans are non existent is huge for us.

For my brother, I know it's a big deal because it opens the eyes of the tiger mom's of the world and to make them think, "hey maybe sports is viable.". For me, it's more of a breaking a stereotype.

That being said, I apologize in advance that us Lin fans and trolls are going to cause when the season starts. :)
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1577 » by KM6 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:34 am

fatlever wrote:No need to discuss that post any further. Lets just get back to Lin and his awesome hair, amazing passes and soon-to-be acting accolades from his recent sitcom debut.


I think Jeremy is also making very good progress on his off-ball movement as well. Especially in the second game against the clippers, when he was being chased around by JJ Redick, he made some very nice cuts for some catch and shoot action. He is very active off the ball, take a close look next time he plays.
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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1578 » by fatlever » Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:56 am

I think most of us totally understand why Lin is an amazing inspiration to many Asians abroad and Asian-Americans. We do get it, I promise. It has to be uplifting to see an Asian guard (not just a guy who was born over 7-feet tall), not only make it to the NBA but excel. I think what some people don't understand is the fanatical level to which a small percentage of Lin fans have reached. Then again, you have to understand the fanbase new Lin fans are now dealing with. We've never had any player who was popular enough to have a rabid fanbase. Its all a bit new to us. We're used to having all our players completely ignored by everyone except a tiny few hardcore NBA fans.

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Re: Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread 

Post#1579 » by TinmanZBoy » Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:25 am

Let the best hair LIN!
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Post#1580 » by bandwagonKnick » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:44 am

Fatlever. Thank you for your great comments thus far. Loving this site and this team so far. But can you see how frustrated fans of Lin's game must be. You've seen him play now for a couple of preseason games and even though it is just a few meaningless preseason games, can you see how ridiculous it is for dude to get only 2 mil a year with his skillset? And do any of his fans seem surprised in the slightest at his performance? No. This is at least how he has always been but for some reason, and you can fill in the blanks yourself (Linsanity backlash, Asian, undrafted..), everyone seems to see a slow, poor shooting, poor defense having, non-pg and will not give him the opportunity his game deserves and it makes his fans a bit defensive and rabid. I am a former high school pg from Cali, who's played with Arthur Lee, Zacque Vaughn, and a NBA nut since Magic Johnson's Showtime Lakers and I can't understand it.

This year, you will see an extremely hard working, aggressive TRUE PG in Lin whose greatest assets are his speed, penetration, court vision, and Magic Johnson-like ability in the open court who happens to play EXCELLENT defense (one of his best attributes) and I hope that this fan base will be able to recognize his game. Also, he is a PG, not a SG, in the NBA and the sooner coaches realize that Lin's greatest attribute is in the open court and in getting teammates involved (i.e., a PG) the better.

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