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[fraanciiscoo]

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Fran, everyone is feel free to state their opinion, just as you do with practically everything in the league. So you should either heed your own advice and shut up if you are expecting others to do the same or show the same courtesy that everyone is showing to you, offering their opinion without being harassed by your posts. If anybody is acting like an authority on all fantasy basketball matters and being a condensending know-it-all prick, that has been you.

1st like you said and I totally agree everyone is feel free to state their opinion. You did that and i think i also did the same
2nd courtesy and know it all prick cant be used in the same paragraph
3rd Regarding courtesy for the 1st time ever the loser didnt welcome the winner in last year FFL
4th Not only he didnt do that he didnt even change the title saying congrats to the winner X
5th Its easy when we win to have courtesy but when you lose you got to know how to lose ( it must hurt alot it was for 1 r? 1a ? 1s? ). I always welcome the winner no matter what
6th harassed by my post ? behave like a mod do what you dont do and i might consider that otherwise you reap what you sow
7th bs trades offers wise irving is not injured and he is top2; pick noel is top3 pick since he is way better than griffin; Hey even marcus smart is better than beal pls stop it if that is not bs trades what they are. He didnt told but smart for dragic only in your head is fair period
8th the only authority regarding fantasy bball is BBM i based on them if you think otherwise google it
9th in the beggining of the season you asked to do something if i m not mistaken last year numbers + last 3 month of the season I did that without asking like i do to everysingle one here when they ask me for something who should he pick, projected values, rookies draft, dinasty and even non fantasy questions. the know it all prick helps in everyway he can and knows and i dare others to say otherwise
10th If I stfu it going to be always cause i want to and never bc you tell me to. I dont own you nothing the same cant be said regarding you. The only one I own something in this league is jazz period

[jazzfan1971]

Well, I hope WB is just crazy like a fox.

I see no reason to think he's either A) Stupid, or B) Cheating. So, I'm going with Crazy like a Fox, because that's about all that's left.

(and for the record the only trade I made this season fell under group A)

[Curtis Lemansky]

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Fran, everyone is feel free to state their opinion, just as you do with practically everything in the league. So you should either heed your own advice and shut up if you are expecting others to do the same or show the same courtesy that everyone is showing to you, offering their opinion without being harassed by your posts. If anybody is acting like an authority on all fantasy basketball matters and being a condensending know-it-all prick, that has been you.

1st like you said and I totally agree everyone is feel free to state their opinion. You did that and i think i also did the same
2nd courtesy and know it all prick cant be used in the same paragraph
3rd Regarding courtesy for the 1st time ever the loser didnt welcome the winner in last year FFL
4th Not only he didnt do that he didnt even change the title saying congrats to the winner X
5th Its easy when we win to have courtesy but when you lose you got to know how to lose ( it must hurt alot it was for 1 r? 1a ? 1s? ). I always welcome the winner no matter what
6th harassed by my post ? behave like a mod do what you dont do and i might consider that otherwise you reap what you sow
7th bs trades offers wise irving is not injured and he is top2; pick noel is top3 pick since he is way better than griffin; Hey even marcus smart is better than beal pls stop it if that is not bs trades what they are. He didnt told but smart for dragic only in your head is fair period
8th the only authority regarding fantasy bball is BBM i based on them if you think otherwise google it
9th in the beggining of the season you asked to do something if i m not mistaken last year numbers + last 3 month of the season I did that without asking like i do to everysingle one here when they ask me for something who should he pick, projected values, rookies draft, dinasty and even non fantasy questions. the know it all prick helps in everyway he can and knows and i dare others to say otherwise
10th If I stfu it going to be always cause i want to and never bc you tell me to. I dont own you nothing the same cant be said regarding you. The only one I own something in this league is jazz period

1. Telling people to shut up is not an opinion
2. Like you said, you reap what you sow.
3.

Damn, lost it by 1 block.

Congrats Fran, I limped to the finals but Gay / Rubio injuries and Hassanity's DNP on Sunday put the final nail on my coffin.

4. The thread from the previous year:
viewtopic.php?f=336&t=1269743#start_here
Do you see a a congratulory message on the thread title? Nice try though.
5. Already cleared up in 3 & 4.
6. I'd suggest you to stop backseat moderating, I know what to do evidenced by the league running smoothly and without any hiccups for the last 2 years.
Suggesting a trade is terrible is not really out of ordinary for a moderator or for a regular user. And warning you not to tell people to shut up for giving their 2 cents about a deal is EXACTLY what a moderator should do. And given your history and past record in realgm (not to mention so many negative comments in your profile, suspensions and warnings), you are probably one of the last people in here to teach me about how to moderate.
7. BS trades? I'm not the one offering trades, you are. I havent offered any. You offered deals and I rejected. That's not making BS trade offers.
8. BBM is a useful source,nothing more. And their projections have weakened considerably since Buser and Phan left.
9. Never said you werent helpful.
10. Yeah I owe you nothing kiddo. Just because you sent me a spreadsheet 2.5 months after I had asked doesnt make me feel like I owe you something. If you want to get technical, count it as you returning favor to me for the countless times you asked my advice and opinion on picks, trades etc over the years.
And really if you dont believe in my fantasy basketball acumen like you sarcastically joked about in your previous post, feel free to stop asking me for advice. I have no claim of being an expert or anything but dont come to me for advice time after time over the years and then post sarcastic comments belittling my fantasy basketball knowledge.

[Curtis Lemansky]

Well, I hope WB is just crazy like a fox.

I see no reason to think he's either A) Stupid, or B) Cheating. So, I'm going with Crazy like a Fox, because that's about all that's left.

(and for the record the only trade I made this season fell under group A)

Exactly why I'm not asking for a veto. I hope there is a method to his madness that I'm not seeing and given his history I'm giving him the benefit of doubt.

[Woody Allen]

I wasn't suggesting a veto either. Just pointing out to an ongoing situation that got from frustrating to disturbing.

If we chose not to veto/reverse Blake Griffin + Mudiay for Conley trade, no need to veto this one either. But we can expect WB to send back Elfrid Payton for Luol Deng soon.

[sabonis]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/YuranPt/status/656033514484314113[/tweet]

Pls do me a favor and Veto
dont blablabla just do it
I guess woody and golke werent expecting this therefor and since wb wins I expect them to leave without a speach
I know both are terrific gm and they know more than BBM Hey they even are invited to experts fantasy mocks and leagues around the world #IfyoudontgetitIRONY but unless you can prove me wrong Veto or pls shut up

so in summary you are saying "it's obviously not a fair trade, but since it doesn't fit my strategy, it's ok". That is the most BS argument I've ever heard.

so I'm tanking points. I should trade my Rubio for Stephen Curry straight up. Since Curry doesn't fit my strategy, it's totally ok. (Like as if I can't trade Curry for Kawhi + Draymond)

[fraanciiscoo]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/YuranPt/status/656033514484314113[/tweet]

Pls do me a favor and Veto
dont blablabla just do it
I guess woody and golke werent expecting this therefor and since wb wins I expect them to leave without a speach
I know both are terrific gm and they know more than BBM Hey they even are invited to experts fantasy mocks and leagues around the world #IfyoudontgetitIRONY but unless you can prove me wrong Veto or pls shut up

so in summary you are saying "it's obviously not a fair trade, but since it doesn't fit my strategy, it's ok". That is the most BS argument I've ever heard.

so I'm tanking points. I should trade my Rubio for Stephen Curry straight up. Since Curry doesn't fit my strategy, it's totally ok. (Like as if I can't trade Curry for LeBron)

I was wonder where were you Like the comparation payton to rubio ( if we forget the injury machine rubio is ) but what i really love is the dragic curry. you def got a point there

now that all Constantinopla spoken I think next time before you come and make your point you should realize theres no more trade i void it cause i was so in love with her and asked wb to pls void it too.

Regarding to what you said I keep forgeting that we all should listem more due to your extensive ( kind of )playoff experience. Its not difficult to make the playoffs anyone can do that but cmon finish always on the last 8 you need skill and obv a accurate draft & trade strategy.

[writersblock]

I wasn't suggesting a veto either. Just pointing out to an ongoing situation that got from frustrating to disturbing.

If we chose not to veto/reverse Blake Griffin + Mudiay for Conley trade, no need to veto this one either. But we can expect WB to send back Elfrid Payton for Luol Deng soon.

This coming from the guy who finished in last. I jest, of course.

For the record, Fran and I mutually agreed to annul the trade, and Gokce took care of it.

But since, as Wes pointed out, I'm not stupid or cheating, here's my "crazy like a fox" explanation (thanks for the inspiration for the new team name). We'll ignore the throw ins at the back, since those are a wash anyway..the big beef, I'm guessing, was the Dragic vs. Payton part of the trade.
1. We all have our rankings, but everyone's is different. We can't even trust the experts. Take Rotoworld for example, which i Know many of us use. They've got a new top 150 out, and on that ranking, Dragic is ranked 36 and Payton is ranked in the 90s. Ouch, right. But on that same list, Conley is ranked higher than Blake Griffin, which was part of the infamous 3 way. So by that list, I did a pretty good job with the infamous trade, but not so good on the trade we just annulled. Of course, that ranking is for root 9 cat leagues...so that might explain why Conley is ranked higher than Griffin since Griffin doesn't get the best big man stats. But what about the Dragic/Payton trade? Payton's %s would drop him down pretty far, making him more valuable, and perhaps even on par with Dragic in H2H.
2. Let's go off draft position for this trade (a highly suspect way to look at any player value, but let's play that game for a second). By our own draft, the deal that was so egregious was: WB trades 52+137+160 and Fran trades 53+124+229. So while the few people who spoke up about this trade were up in arms about Dragic vs. Payton, the real shaft was that Amir down to Shabazz drop...but they're bottom of a roster players, so I don't really consider that part of the trade problematic. Sure, other drafts might have Payton lower, but the problem is that every draft is so different because of need. Payton fit Fran's team perfectly because he's punting FT%. Dragic fit mine because I was going for high FG% for a small ball team.
3. So, why did I do it? Here's the crazy fox part. When all was said and done with the draft, I came out with a very good team. Not great, but good enough to compete as long as everyone stays healthy (which isn't holding true at this point #PrayForLamb, but I digress). The problem with my team is that though I have fairly good stats across the board, none of them are good enough to make me elite in anything. That's why I sacrificed Dragic for Payton...Payton would make me elite in steals and assists, giving me 2 for sure wins nearly every single week.

So, there you go. A REALLY long explanation to simply say: Payton would make me elite in steals and assists (Plus, USA Today tells me he's a "sleeper" so I should listen, right? ), and I took a calculated risk to downgrade Dragic for him, though it wasn't much of a downgrade based on our own draft positions.

And while I'm at it...I think the enmity against Fran is a little uncalled for. He's always willing to help anyone with fantasy advice, sharing stuff he paid to get an advantage on in the league. Let's be a little more civilized with each other. We do have to live with each other for the next 82 NBA games, so we might as well get along while we're stuck together.

[Curtis Lemansky]

And while I'm at it...I think the enmity against Fran is a little uncalled for. He's always willing to help anyone with fantasy advice, sharing stuff he paid to get an advantage on in the league. Let's be a little more civilized with each other. We do have to live with each other for the next 82 NBA games, so we might as well get along while we're stuck together.

I strongly disagree with parts of this section. It is not uncalled for at all. Nobody in the league is more helpful to others than him, in the same time nobody in the league is also more disrespectful to others. In fact I'd say the league is doing a tremendous job in tolerating his condescending manners and focus on his positives. It is up to him to soften his tone in his posts (and I dont think the language barrier is the problem in here) and stop making odd and completely baseless accusations (like the big conspiracy against him as we didnt put his name on the thread title last year or his weird (and unsubstiantied) obsession about me not congratulating him) otherwise this kind of outbursts against him should be expected. Not putting down gms with some variation of "yeah where the hell did your team finish last year, what do you know about fantasy basketball and how dare you to disagree with me when you couldnt make playoffs" just because he disagrees with you might also help.

He is a very good fantasy gm, always helpful and at his core he looks like a decent guy (from what I can tell a far) yet his behavior sometimes is completely untolerable. (kinda like Mario Balotelli / Ron Artest )

I appreciate the sentiment for more peaceful and civilized manners but it is up to him to cut down these antagonistic behaviors.

[sabonis]

long long post

I think your previous trade (involving Griffin) was veto worthy and people reacted to this one with the aftershock of that Griffin trade.

[writersblock]

Not putting down gms with some variation of "yeah where the hell did your team finish last year, what do you know about fantasy basketball and how dare you to disagree with me when you couldnt make playoffs" just because he disagrees with you might also help.

I hope you weren't referring to me here. If you were...
1) Mentioning someone's record is good competitive fantasy basketball banter (and although I would never use the particular words you quoted above) my particular response about Woody's record was totally in bounds as a response to Woody's own little dig against me. (But we can expect WB to send back Elfrid Payton for Luol Deng soon).
2) It was in fun, thus the "8-), I jest of course"
3) I think it would be good for all of us to relax a little. Fran isn't the only one who sends out rants on this board. Woody and Sabonis have had their fair share as well. No need to single one person out. We're all in this league to win, but I also think we're in it to have a good time, enjoy some healthy competition, etc.. The banter is part of it. Sure, there's a boundary, but calling out someone else's opinion of players/situations/teams/etc. isn't outside that boundary. It's good healthy competitive banter.

I've said it before...the only reason I'm still in this league is because I enjoy the people in it, all of them (yes, even you Woody ). I was planning on dropping out this year, but just couldn't do it because I'd miss the fun of competing in a league with a bunch of guys I've "known" for over a decade.

[Curtis Lemansky]

Not putting down gms with some variation of "yeah where the hell did your team finish last year, what do you know about fantasy basketball and how dare you to disagree with me when you couldnt make playoffs" just because he disagrees with you might also help.

I hope you weren't referring to me here. If you were...
1) Mentioning someone's record is good competitive fantasy basketball banter (and although I would never use the particular words you quoted above) my particular response about Woody's record was totally in bounds as a response to Woody's own little dig against me. (But we can expect WB to send back Elfrid Payton for Luol Deng soon).
2) It was in fun, thus the "8-), I jest of course"
3) I think it would be good for all of us to relax a little. Fran isn't the only one who sends out rants on this board. Woody and Sabonis have had their fair share as well. No need to single one person out. We're all in this league to win, but I also think we're in it to have a good time, enjoy some healthy competition, etc.. The banter is part of it. Sure, there's a boundary, but calling out someone else's opinion of players/situations/teams/etc. isn't outside that boundary. It's good healthy competitive banter.

I've said it before...the only reason I'm still in this league is because I enjoy the people in it, all of them (yes, even you Woody ). I was planning on dropping out this year, but just couldn't do it because I'd miss the fun of competing in a league with a bunch of guys I've "known" for over a decade.

It is perfectly clear whom I was referring to.

[fraanciiscoo]

crazy like a fox !!!!

[writersblock]

crazy like a fox !!!!

[fraanciiscoo]

indeed

[curtisenbarger]

Can't wait for this season to start already!


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[fraanciiscoo]

If brian is CLF Golke should be the thif tale or the fools tale if you prefer

Noah + Aminu + Bennet for smart + ed + sauce

now one team have
Dragic pg/sg
conley pg
smart pg
sauce sg
beal sg
galloway pg sg
teague pg
all 7 out 14 with only 4 G spots while F and C have 6 spots ofc you can play the best 4 G have ( dragic beal teague and conley ) but why trade two starting F/C on his team for 2 bench guys anyone can reply that to me? is or is not this trade one side?

Not to mention
Noah is top 3 F/C in ast ( the other two are Lbj and bgriffin )
smart horrific % and inj ( can anyone pls tell me how many inj did he already have ) and I m not going to talk about that crowed boston small court
how about aminu that alone is worth more than ed and sauce
stop the madness

ofc the constantinopla otomanos crew will not say a word about this trade and the rest couldnt care less that said and cause i care and this trade hurt one gm and is one side in my opinion

I will Veto

[writersblock]

So I am now in need of a forward or center and am open to trading any of my guards:
Conley
Teague
Dragic
Beal
Smart

Send offers via yahoo or email

[fraanciiscoo]

So I am now in need of a forward or center and am open to trading any of my guards:
Conley
Teague
Dragic
Beal
Smart

Send offers via yahoo or email

why would anyone help you? unless you overpay? you are done for the season and everyone got to realize that 7 G out 14 players you are done this is what everyone already realized
you need to overpay to get out this nonsence situation you were drag into
why should anyone give you a fair trade just to help you? and bc u are a nice guy
your team as it is is out of the playoffs
either you overpay or bye bye playoffs
congrats on the that fantastic trade for 2 bench players and a guy that is himself a bench play player and will ruin your FT
Hands down
constantinopla crew made your head pretty nice and lead you to the abyss
gl with them beeing fair and taking out a trade like a did
pearls and pigs

[Woody Allen]

Hey Floppy, can you assign a co-commish that is not one of the players in a league?