Super Lintendo: The Jeremy Lin Thread

[Vae Victus]

The previous post about race is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this board.

Actually I kind of understand his point of view and get it, but it seriously sets him up for all sorts of vulnerable attacks, a sort thing one reveals in a safe environment, not in a internet Forum!

Not really, its not like im dumb enough to divulge personal info or be bothered if any idiots decide to spam PM me racist insults (which has happened, but meh, who cares what they think). People can respond with derision, support, or tell me to knock it off cuz it's not bball related and i'm mature enough to just take it with a grain of salt and accept it. Anyway i just wanted to get things clear on the how the Jackie Robinson analogy is supposed to work, too many people just scoff or outright laugh at it because often times it just isn't clearly explained, and quite frankly what happened to me was basically the perfect example of the whole concept.

Also dont see how this is race baiting? More of an explanation of a often poor explained concept. I mean as a Lin fan one of the things i hate the most is when the hardcore fanatics or trolls throw out terms that confuse people that infuses hatred/misunderstanding, i just want to clear things up.

Anyhoo, whether Lin starts or not the important thing is that when he plays they should try to efficiently use his strengths in the PnR and overall aggressive offensive attack, otherwise it'll just be another frustrating season for all parties. Although logically much less for CHA since he's only paid 2 mil a year. So even if Lin craps the bed, doesnt cost much.

[ChokeFasncists]

So Jackie Robinson was the first to play, Frank Robinson was the first to manage; Smokey Robinson was a Miracle, Jeremy RoLinson is the lone Asian American male featured in the media/pop culture; and it's Linsane.

[Chapelchilla]

The previous post about race is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen on this board.

Agreed, that was bad. I also don't like or appreciate the comments that came out basically about having "too many unathletic and slow white dudes" around the draft. Especially since Zeller is a lot more "athletic" then Al and Marv.
I like all the Hornets who play hard and help the team win. Hopefully we can agree to leave the racial stereotypes out of our evaluations.

[13th Man]

Vae Victus, to be clear I wasn't referring to your original post as race-baiting I thought it was an excellent post. It was a follow up post that crossed the line. Anyways game time!

[Vae Victus]

Good game by Lin, although kinda curious how he'd have done if Pau was playing (he's a very underrated defender, i should know, as an INTELLIGENT Laker fan) as the Bulls were a bit light on meat in the middle. Also as well as having a Butler on him more instead of mighty mouse Aaron Brooks who are one of the few guards out there that Lin can easily bully as we saw on that the hard drive and-1.

Well, can only hope he can carry this play into the regular season and playoffs.

[HornetJail]

Good game by Lin, although kinda curious how he'd have done if Pau was playing

probably better because that means less taj and less noah protecting the rim and more gasol not protecting the rim

[fafan]

6-8 18 PTs. 5 Ast. 8 Reb. in 24 mins. Lin played very good on 1 and 2.

[gafun]

6-8 18 PTs. 5 Ast. 8 Reb. in 24 mins. Lin played very good on 1 and 2.

With only 1 TO.


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[Vae Victus]

probably better because that means less taj and less noah protecting the rim and more gasol not protecting the rim

Ok this is a common misconception about Pau Gasol that i really dislike. He's a VERY underrated defender and if he were as piss poor at defense as people claim he was then the Lakers wouldn't have won any championships as their main big guy. People like to credit Bynum for being the only real big man in the middle defensively, but PhilJax would end the vast majority of games with a Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom front court cuz Gasol WAS NO SLOUCH ON DEFENSE. He intelligently uses his length and size to do alot and gets a decent number of blocks too. He got punked bad by the Celtics in 08 and was rightfully lambasted as soft on D but after that he manned the **** up and was instrumental to the Lakers revived glory post Shaq.

Now is he as good on defense as Taj or Prime Noah... hell naw, but he's better than the currently gimpy Joakim Noah AND he can punish teams with his offensive game both inside and outside the paint. Something Noah can't ever do on his best days of his career. Gasol woulda made a big difference on defense in this game as Portis was a non-factor inside defensively.

[lin is ok]

has anyone been able to improve their handles mid way in their career in the NBA. It seems that Lin has.

[leeramundo]

has anyone been able to improve their handles mid way in their career in the NBA. It seems that Lin has.

Can't think of anyone in particular off the top of my head, but probably. Lin has improved his handles, which is what's keeping his TO's down, save that one game where he had 4. It's also his decision making and patience I think, he's not rushing passes anymore.

[Vae Victus]

Eh Pre-season, we'll see what happens when games start counting. I dont necessarily think it's his handles so much as the team is prolly spacing out better and thus giving him more room to attack and better angles. HOU didnt focus much on a PnR attack, preferring ISO attack, and LAL were just plain (Please Use More Appropriate Word) in their offensive sets and having little room to do much but jack up contested jumpers.

His shot otoh does look better, oh man if he can make mid range shots at a ~45% and 3pt at ~40% that'd be so damn deadly.

[leeramundo]

Eh Pre-season, we'll see what happens when games start counting. I dont necessarily think it's his handles so much as the team is prolly spacing out better and thus giving him more room to attack and better angles. HOU didnt focus much on a PnR attack, preferring ISO attack, and LAL were just plain (Please Use More Appropriate Word) in their offensive sets and having little room to do much but jack up contested jumpers.

His shot otoh does look better, oh man if he can make mid range shots at a ~45% and 3pt at ~40% that'd be so damn deadly.

That's probably true about the spacing, but I do think when he gets into traffic, he's keeping his dribble lower and tighter than before. But whatever it is, it's working.

[lin is ok]

has anyone been able to improve their handles mid way in their career in the NBA. It seems that Lin has.

Can't think of anyone in particular off the top of my head, but probably. Lin has improved his handles, which is what's keeping his TO's down, save that one game where he had 4. It's also his decision making and patience I think, he's not rushing passes anymore.

His arms sure got muscled up. can we check on this with pictures from last season? Following his game since the Knicks, I also noticed that he is now able to protect his dribble and control the pace of the game . switching for fast to slow - vice versa.

[DY_nasty]

has anyone been able to improve their handles mid way in their career in the NBA. It seems that Lin has.

off the top of my head lowry and curry

lowry wasn't even trusted with the ball in his hands and curry was hilariously turnover prone

[blueice]

Please stop with this racial profile. Lin is a god damn American. There is no such nationality as "Taiwanese"

I agree that Lin is American, but to say that there's no such nationality as "Taiwanese", we are bringing politics in, and I believe a lot of Taiwanse people are willing to discuss about this with you. You don't want to go there.

[blueice]

Lin is a sports icon and Frank Robinson is the reason blacks played in MLB.

I'm sorry, it was a well intended post and all but it's just funny to me.

If you only think about the US, he's nothing to you. If you can broaden your sight, you will understand. There are 23 million people in Taiwan, and I think nobody ever made it to NBA. But basketball is one of the most popular sports there, so go figure what Jeremy Lin means to Taiwan.

In China, it's about the same, billions of people there and Yao is gone, so it's easy to understand.

Btw, how many Asian Americans made it to Lin's spot today? Is Asian American (or if you want to specify, Taiwanese/Chinese Americans) is a minority that we can just ignore?

I think you missed the point of what Liver_Pooty was laughing about. He was laughing at the comparison to Frank Robinson and baseball. The original poster was making a decent point about Lin being a pioneer for Asian-American basketball players, however, he used the wrong person in his baseball analogy. It was Jackie Robinson, not Frank Robinson who is largely credited for breaking race barriers in baseball. Frank Robinson came several years later.

That being said, everyone should acknowledge that what Jackie Robinson did is 100 times more difficult, due to the fact that up until that point, African American baseball players were not allowed to play in the white pro leagues. No hateful, racist laws stood in the way of Lin playing basketball in the NBA.

Fair enough.

[blueice]

6-8 18 PTs. 5 Ast. 8 Reb. in 24 mins. Lin played very good on 1 and 2.

If he didn't miss the last two free throws, it would be 20 pts...I sorta missed that number lol

[leeramundo]

Please stop with this racial profile. Lin is a god damn American. There is no such nationality as "Taiwanese"

I agree that Lin is American, but to say that there's no such nationality as "Taiwanese", we are bringing politics in, and I believe a lot of Taiwanse people are willing to discuss about this with you. You don't want to go there.

There's no question that there is a Taiwanese nationality. Taiwan is a nation, therefore people who are citizens of that nation are Taiwanese by nationality. The question is if there is a Taiwanese ethnicity. But that's totally off on a tangent, let's get back to basketball.

[lin is ok]

Please stop with this racial profile. Lin is a god damn American. There is no such nationality as "Taiwanese"

I agree that Lin is American, but to say that there's no such nationality as "Taiwanese", we are bringing politics in, and I believe a lot of Taiwanse people are willing to discuss about this with you. You don't want to go there.

There's no question that there is a Taiwanese nationality. Taiwan is a nation, therefore people who are citizens of that nation are Taiwanese by nationality. The question is if there is a Taiwanese ethnicity. But that's totally off on a tangent, let's get back to basketball.

ha headache , this Taiwan china thing is complex. It's also super confusing that the word chinese is used to describe a 'race' plus nationality . my head hurts ....back to basketball!