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Post#341 » by Stannis » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:18 am

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I think Degrom or Harvey should get the potential Game 7..

That's exactly who I want for a game 7. That means Harvey and DeGrom failed. So let Thor throw the Royals a 100 mph to their already buckling knees. B/c Harvey and DeGrom's finese obviously wasn't working.
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Post#342 » by Stannis » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:59 am

Honestly, I'd want Thor for a game 6. More change.
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Post#343 » by Krazy!!! » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:57 pm

Harvey is willing to come out and become a bullpen pitcher in relief of Thor for Game 7. I could envision Harvey for an inning or 2...Matz for an inning or 2...deGrom for 1 inning and if the Mets get a lead going in the bottom of the 9th (or extra innings) the Mets go to their closer.

I trust none of the other guys in that bullpen (except MAYBE Colon).
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Post#344 » by Stannis » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:45 pm

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Re: *METS Playoffs '15* Beat LA & CHI, World Series Starts Tuesday 

Post#345 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:09 am

a big advantage for the mets is they have seen a lot of Volquez and Cueto. The royals are getting there first look at all the mets young arms. They are not easy to pick up.
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Post#346 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:14 am

So, what do we do with Clippard?
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Post#347 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:57 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:So, what do we do with Clippard?


Let him dominate? Clip has been an elite set up man for a LONG time. One down series isn't going to sway my confidence in him.
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HarthorneWingo wrote:So, what do we do with Clippard?


Let him dominate? Clip has been an elite set up man for a LONG time. One down series isn't going to sway my confidence in him.



It wasn't just that series. He was pretty bad in September. 13 innings, 10 earned runs. And he's been horrible in the post season.
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Post#349 » by Stannis » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:35 am

He gave up a run in the LA series as well.

It's hard to trust him in a 1-2 run lead game tbh.

It isn't really his velocity. It's his 79 mph change up (his best pitch) that he has a habit or throwing right down the pipe-a-roni.
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Post#350 » by nykballa2k4 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:38 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:So, what do we do with Clippard?


Let him dominate? Clip has been an elite set up man for a LONG time. One down series isn't going to sway my confidence in him.



It wasn't just that series. He was pretty bad in September. 13 innings, 10 earned runs. And he's been horrible in the post season.


His career and the majority of this season speaks to his abilities.
I don't know what it was in his career that made him successful, but I can say that pitchers very often rely on a good relationship with their catchers. Perhaps his issue with the Mets is chemistry related? Whatever the reason, his stuff is the same, no signs of injury and after finishing his inning, even with the HR, his confidence and comfort has to be improving. One characteristic of our pitching staff, and team really, is the ability to rise to the occasion. Every time DeGrom or Harvey see the next man up in the pen, they finish out. Clips will be alright and we can have faith in a 7 inning game.
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Post#351 » by Moose » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:19 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
Let him dominate? Clip has been an elite set up man for a LONG time. One down series isn't going to sway my confidence in him.



It wasn't just that series. He was pretty bad in September. 13 innings, 10 earned runs. And he's been horrible in the post season.


His career and the majority of this season speaks to his abilities.
I don't know what it was in his career that made him successful, but I can say that pitchers very often rely on a good relationship with their catchers. Perhaps his issue with the Mets is chemistry related? Whatever the reason, his stuff is the same, no signs of injury and after finishing his inning, even with the HR, his confidence and comfort has to be improving. One characteristic of our pitching staff, and team really, is the ability to rise to the occasion. Every time DeGrom or Harvey see the next man up in the pen, they finish out. Clips will be alright and we can have faith in a 7 inning game.


I have no dog in this fight. Clippard hasn't been the same even before joining the Mets. His underlining numbers, as well as some of the usual ones (BB/9) will tell you that. His fastball isn't as good as it once was. I also question his command because his HR/9 has doubled compared to last season.
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Post#352 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:16 pm

I hope Lagares is playing in CF these first two games. The royals put the ball in play and we need our best defensive OF in there.

What Kelly Johnson can provide at the plate is not enough to consider we would be getting better defensive CF in Lagares and improving our LF defense with Cespedes.

Let Conforto DH.

KC has a very big OF and we should have Lagares playing in my opinion. I actually think its a no brainer.
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Post#353 » by Jose7 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:35 pm

Conforto must play all games. He's been hitting ropes all post season long despite results not showing statistically.

And I agree letting Lagares playing CF, he's been solid at the plate as well.
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Post#354 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:17 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:

It wasn't just that series. He was pretty bad in September. 13 innings, 10 earned runs. And he's been horrible in the post season.


His career and the majority of this season speaks to his abilities.
I don't know what it was in his career that made him successful, but I can say that pitchers very often rely on a good relationship with their catchers. Perhaps his issue with the Mets is chemistry related? Whatever the reason, his stuff is the same, no signs of injury and after finishing his inning, even with the HR, his confidence and comfort has to be improving. One characteristic of our pitching staff, and team really, is the ability to rise to the occasion. Every time DeGrom or Harvey see the next man up in the pen, they finish out. Clips will be alright and we can have faith in a 7 inning game.


I have no dog in this fight. Clippard hasn't been the same even before joining the Mets. His underlining numbers, as well as some of the usual ones (BB/9) will tell you that. His fastball isn't as good as it once was. I also question his command because his HR/9 has doubled compared to last season.


Actually, he was great for us from the trade deadline when we acquired him until September. Check out his game logs from baseball-reference.

I just think, notwithstanding his excellent career numbers, he's not pitching well right now. I don't know if it's fatigue or mechanics or a mild injury, but he's not the same right now.
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Post#355 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:19 pm

Jose7© wrote:Conforto must play all games. He's been hitting ropes all post season long despite results not showing statistically.

And I agree letting Lagares playing CF, he's been solid at the plate as well.



He'll platoon at DH when in KC. I don't know what the plan is in NY.
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Post#356 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:19 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I hope Lagares is playing in CF these first two games. The royals put the ball in play and we need our best defensive OF in there.

What Kelly Johnson can provide at the plate is not enough to consider we would be getting better defensive CF in Lagares and improving our LF defense with Cespedes.

Let Conforto DH.

KC has a very big OF and we should have Lagares playing in my opinion. I actually think its a no brainer.



Lagares is playing CF in KC.
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Post#357 » by Moose » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:24 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Moose wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
His career and the majority of this season speaks to his abilities.
I don't know what it was in his career that made him successful, but I can say that pitchers very often rely on a good relationship with their catchers. Perhaps his issue with the Mets is chemistry related? Whatever the reason, his stuff is the same, no signs of injury and after finishing his inning, even with the HR, his confidence and comfort has to be improving. One characteristic of our pitching staff, and team really, is the ability to rise to the occasion. Every time DeGrom or Harvey see the next man up in the pen, they finish out. Clips will be alright and we can have faith in a 7 inning game.


I have no dog in this fight. Clippard hasn't been the same even before joining the Mets. His underlining numbers, as well as some of the usual ones (BB/9) will tell you that. His fastball isn't as good as it once was. I also question his command because his HR/9 has doubled compared to last season.


Actually, he was great for us from the trade deadline when we acquired him until September. Check out his game logs from baseball-reference.

I just think, notwithstanding his excellent career numbers, he's not pitching well right now. I don't know if it's fatigue or mechanics or a mild injury, but he's not the same right now.


I watched a good amount of his outings since the beginning this season and he has been skating on thin ice and has been very fortunate this year. I feel like his high BB/9, HR/9, FIP, xFIP, and lessened K-rate, as well as GB% all back that up.
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Post#358 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:52 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
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I have no dog in this fight. Clippard hasn't been the same even before joining the Mets. His underlining numbers, as well as some of the usual ones (BB/9) will tell you that. His fastball isn't as good as it once was. I also question his command because his HR/9 has doubled compared to last season.


Actually, he was great for us from the trade deadline when we acquired him until September. Check out his game logs from baseball-reference.

I just think, notwithstanding his excellent career numbers, he's not pitching well right now. I don't know if it's fatigue or mechanics or a mild injury, but he's not the same right now.


I watched a good amount of his outings since the beginning this season and he has been skating on thin ice and has been very fortunate this year. I feel like his high BB/9, HR/9, FIP, xFIP, and lessened K-rate, as well as GB% all back that up.


So, we get back to the question: if not Clippard, then who? Hope our starters can go at least 6 innings and go with Colon/Niese in the 7th, Reed as setup and then La Familia es todo?
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Re: *METS Playoffs '15* Beat LA & CHI, World Series Starts Tuesday 

Post#359 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:00 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:I hope Lagares is playing in CF these first two games. The royals put the ball in play and we need our best defensive OF in there.

What Kelly Johnson can provide at the plate is not enough to consider we would be getting better defensive CF in Lagares and improving our LF defense with Cespedes.

Let Conforto DH.

KC has a very big OF and we should have Lagares playing in my opinion. I actually think its a no brainer.



Lagares is playing CF in KC.


Collins just said Kelly Johnson will DH game 1. So that means Lagares will just be a defensive replacement.

I would prefer Lagares in the OF. But I guess I understand early in the game getting KJ an at bat or 2 to try to get the early lead and then go with lagares in the OF later.
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Post#360 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:36 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:I hope Lagares is playing in CF these first two games. The royals put the ball in play and we need our best defensive OF in there.

What Kelly Johnson can provide at the plate is not enough to consider we would be getting better defensive CF in Lagares and improving our LF defense with Cespedes.

Let Conforto DH.

KC has a very big OF and we should have Lagares playing in my opinion. I actually think its a no brainer.



Lagares is playing CF in KC.


Collins just said Kelly Johnson will DH game 1. So that means Lagares will just be a defensive replacement.

I would prefer Lagares in the OF. But I guess I understand early in the game getting KJ an at bat or 2 to try to get the early lead and then go with lagares in the OF later.


Interesting. Collins is picking offense (left-handed hitting) over defense in a spacious ballpark. I guess he thinks we can jump all over Volquez and Cueto. If we get the lead, that nullifies KC's BP advantage.
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