The Andrew Wiggins Thread

[NikolaPekovic]

As someone who has followed Wiggins since college the biggest concern you guys should have about Wiggins is his disappearing acts in big games. The two biggest games of his career so far were against Stanford in college and Venezuela for Team Canada. In both of those games his team was considered to be a huge favorite and he couldn't have performed any worse than he did. He lacked effort on defense and was awful on offense in both. I hope he gets a killer instinct eventually but so far the only sign i've seen of this from him is when he faces Lebron. He's amazing when he's pissed off but how do you piss him off when he's got nothing to be mad about?

Canadian team didn't even know how to use him. They insisted on having him facilitate from the top when he should be punishing guys down low.


This was a valid argument before his rookie season, but now I have no concerns about his ability to be assertive.

[AQuintus]

As someone who has followed Wiggins since college the biggest concern you guys should have about Wiggins is his disappearing acts in big games.

Disappearing in big games?

Minnesota didn't exactly have a lot of big games last year, but the ones that they did (against Cleveland, for example) were the games that Wiggins showed up in the most.

[King Malta]

As someone who has followed Wiggins since college the biggest concern you guys should have about Wiggins is his disappearing acts in big games.

Disappearing in big games?

Minnesota didn't exactly have a lot of big games last year, but the ones that they did (against Cleveland, for example) were the games that Wiggins showed up in the most.

Haha beat me to it.

That first Cleveland game was (in my opinion anyway) the biggest game of his NBA career, potentially the biggest of his career full stop, and he performed very well there and didn't shy away from the spotlight at all.

[Mattya]

Cleveland x 2(Bron and Love), Houston x 3 (Harden), Sacto x3? (Gay), Denver (division rival), Portland (division rival), OKC (Division rival and D in Westbrook), Memphis(Team that has owned us for what seems like forever), Utah (dunking on Gobert twice and Hayward and shutting Matt Harpring up). He came up big in those games for me especially. I care negative 5 about how he played against Venezuela.

[Crazy-Canuck]

As someone who has followed Wiggins since college the biggest concern you guys should have about Wiggins is his disappearing acts in big games.

Disappearing in big games?

Minnesota didn't exactly have a lot of big games last year, but the ones that they did (against Cleveland, for example) were the games that Wiggins showed up in the most.

He's probably talking about the last KU game vs Stanford and the Olympic qualifier vs Venezuela.

Wiggins has generally shown up for big games though. No player is undefeated in big games.

[Klomp]

Q. I know he’s only 20…but do you have watch Andrew Wiggins’ minutes after how much he played last season? Or does that take care of itself with roster and better health?

A. Exactly. We don’t have to watch his minutes. Bazz is going to play there. Andrew played a lot year because we didn’t have a choice. Look how many games we played with only seven, eight guys dressed. He had to play all those minutes.

Q. And you’ve got Tayshaun [Prince] at that spot, too, right?

A. Well, yeah, in case of emergency, break glass. We got Wig. We got Bazz. We got Tayshaun. If we stay relatively healthy, then Andrew doesn’t have to stay out there 45 minutes a game.

http://www.startribune.com/wolves-q-a-interim-coach-sam-mitchell-i-m-not-going-to-come-in-here-and-try-to-be-flip/329661781/

[GopherIt!]

Believe it or not, posting on the Gen board is not that hard, as long as you stay within the rules. Maybe we need to tighten things around here so people aren't so shocked when they go to other boards.

There is no comparison between the GB and the Wolves board. This board has had a pretty solid group of posters for as long as I can remember.

And the Gen board doesn't, which is why they need to be a lot stricter over there. That's my point. Stuff that's okay here might not be okay over there, so don't be surprised if you end up with strikes or read-only access.

You just proposed tightening things up around here to help with the shock of traversing other boards (i.e. the GB). To which I replied, you are comparing apples to oranges as most Wolves posters are solid people (i.e. they do not troll each other and are respectful.) tightening the grip on the Wolves forum will not make Wolves posters better people on other forums. People who are respectful here are also going to be respectful on other forums.

What will help is if we talk about our experiences and give each other sound advice. Telling people that posting on the GB is not hard is naive and a bit condscending. The Wolves franchise went from a horrible situation (Love wanting out) to suddenly a great situation (obtaining a potential franchise player in Wiggins - and now another one in KAT.) I've never seen a #1 pick as scrutinized on RGM as Wiggins. Think of the situation on the GB like this: Some posters are excited about Drew and happy for us. Some posters are critical of Drew but respectful. Some posters though troll Drew out of jealousy and envy. For twenty five plus years we were used to our team being the laughingstock of the league. When we used to visit the other forums there was no target on our back.

Times have changed my friends. Laugh with the supporters and be patient with the haters.

[bwright213]

Q. I know he’s only 20…but do you have watch Andrew Wiggins’ minutes after how much he played last season? Or does that take care of itself with roster and better health?

A. Exactly. We don’t have to watch his minutes. Bazz is going to play there. Andrew played a lot year because we didn’t have a choice. Look how many games we played with only seven, eight guys dressed. He had to play all those minutes.

Q. And you’ve got Tayshaun [Prince] at that spot, too, right?

A. Well, yeah, in case of emergency, break glass. We got Wig. We got Bazz. We got Tayshaun. If we stay relatively healthy, then Andrew doesn’t have to stay out there 45 minutes a game.

http://www.startribune.com/wolves-q-a-interim-coach-sam-mitchell-i-m-not-going-to-come-in-here-and-try-to-be-flip/329661781/

That's a bit of a reassuring quote, there's really no point in running Wiggins out there 40 plus mins a night and there really isn't much of a need for Tayshaun to see the floor. It will definitely be interesting to see how Bazz's minutes are spread around.

[sya]

question to wolves fans. What do you guys think WIggins' ceiling is? I've watched this guy play, sometimes he is a star, but at times you wouldn't even know he is on the court. I think people are expecting him to be a superstar, but there are some minor red flags, like the lack of stocks (3s, steals, blocks). Steals and blocks are 2 things that should translate well from college to pro level, but it didn't for wiggins, I know he has been working on his 3s, but do you think he can average 2 3s a game?

IMO for wiggins to be a superstar, he has to improve on those things, including ball handling (which is another red flag).

Would you trade him for someone like say Paul George, Giannis, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler?

Thanks!

[theGreatRC]

question to wolves fans. What do you guys think WIggins' ceiling is? I've watched this guy play, sometimes he is a star, but at times you wouldn't even know he is on the court. I think people are expecting him to be a superstar, but there are some minor red flags, like the lack of stocks (3s, steals, blocks). Steals and blocks are 2 things that should translate well from college to pro level, but it didn't for wiggins, I know he has been working on his 3s, but do you think he can average 2 3s a game?

IMO for wiggins to be a superstar, he has to improve on those things, including ball handling (which is another red flag).

Would you trade him for someone like say Paul George, Giannis, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler?

Thanks!

-LeBron James has averaged 1 block 3 times in his career and 2.2 steals one time during his second year
-Kawhi Leonard (the DPOY) has never averaged one block in his career, most was .9 two years ago, 2.2 steals last year.
-Draymond Green averaged 1.6 steals and 1.3 blocks last year

Andrew Wiggins averaged 1 steal and 0.6 blocks his rookie year, for comparison:

Lebron steals rookie year: 1.3 steals and 0.7 blocks
Kevin Durant rookie year: 1.0 steals and 1.0 blocks
Kawhi Leonard rookie year: 1.3 steals and 0.4 blocks
Paul George rookie year: 1.0 steals and 0.4 blocks

What about his steals and block number that stand out to you as out of the ordinary than what the other star wings of the NBA are doing?

Only thing that is concerning is his motor and ball handling; I personally feel he isn't aggressive enough on offense unless the plays are for him..he really needs to work on that or he will be a better version of Jeff Green.

[sya]

question to wolves fans. What do you guys think WIggins' ceiling is? I've watched this guy play, sometimes he is a star, but at times you wouldn't even know he is on the court. I think people are expecting him to be a superstar, but there are some minor red flags, like the lack of stocks (3s, steals, blocks). Steals and blocks are 2 things that should translate well from college to pro level, but it didn't for wiggins, I know he has been working on his 3s, but do you think he can average 2 3s a game?

IMO for wiggins to be a superstar, he has to improve on those things, including ball handling (which is another red flag).

Would you trade him for someone like say Paul George, Giannis, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler?

Thanks!

-LeBron James has averaged 1 block 3 times in his career and 2.2 steals one time during his second year
-Kawhi Leonard (the DPOY) has never averaged one block in his career, most was .9 two years ago, 2.2 steals last year.
-Draymond Green averaged 1.6 steals and 1.3 blocks last year

Andrew Wiggins averaged 1 steal and 0.6 blocks his rookie year, for comparison:

Lebron steals rookie year: 1.3 steals and 0.7 blocks
Kevin Durant rookie year: 1.0 steals and 1.0 blocks
Kawhi Leonard rookie year: 1.3 steals and 0.4 blocks
Paul George rookie year: 1.0 steals and 0.4 blocks

What about his steals and block number that stand out to you as out of the ordinary than what the other star wings of the NBA are doing?

Only thing that is concerning is his motor and ball handling; I personally feel he isn't aggressive enough on offense unless the plays are for him..he really needs to work on that or he will be a better version of Jeff Green.

Excellent points. thank you. the passiveness at times is also another thing that concerns me. When you watch this guy, you know he has the talent to easily score at least 20 per game. But he is too unselfish to a fault at times.

[C.lupus]

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[lobishome]

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WTF Probable? Wiggo already was injured against LA and we have no reason for risk his back again.

Really I don't understand why the boy played two days ago a inconsequential game in a west tour, the first game of the season.

[FinnTheHuman]

I just want to see a ton of Andrew posting up everybody no matter what size or shape they are. It looks very reliable to me, and good things come out of that for our offense. I think it should be our main half-court play along with Riki's PnR. Maybe he isn't destined to dominantly be the face-up off the dribble slasher that most of the superstar small forwards/SG's are, maybe he could build up his offensive arsenal from his post-up game.

[criteriado]

I just want to see a ton of Andrew posting up everybody no matter what size or shape they are. It looks very reliable to me, and good things come out of that for our offense. I think it should be our main half-court play along with Riki's PnR. Maybe he isn't destined to dominantly be the face-up off the dribble slasher that most of the superstar small forwards/SG's are, maybe he could build up his offensive arsenal from his post-up game.

0.8 point per possesion. One of our worst offensive plays last year.

[FinnTheHuman]

I just want to see a ton of Andrew posting up everybody no matter what size or shape they are. It looks very reliable to me, and good things come out of that for our offense. I think it should be our main half-court play along with Riki's PnR. Maybe he isn't destined to dominantly be the face-up off the dribble slasher that most of the superstar small forwards/SG's are, maybe he could build up his offensive arsenal from his post-up game.

0.8 point per possesion. One of our worst offensive plays last year.

Well, if we start building our game based on the stats, one of those is that Wiggins was among worse defenders in the league last year and that he could very well be a bust, and we all know it isn't true. I'm talking about the eye test, which says to me that he can be a great post-up player.

[criteriado]

I just want to see a ton of Andrew posting up everybody no matter what size or shape they are. It looks very reliable to me, and good things come out of that for our offense. I think it should be our main half-court play along with Riki's PnR. Maybe he isn't destined to dominantly be the face-up off the dribble slasher that most of the superstar small forwards/SG's are, maybe he could build up his offensive arsenal from his post-up game.

0.8 point per possesion. One of our worst offensive plays last year.

Well, if we start building our game based on the stats, one of those is that Wiggins was among worse defenders in the league last year and that he could very well be a bust, and we all know it isn't true. I'm talking about the eye test, which says to me that he can be a great post-up player.

Just saying that good things didn't come out of that play. When Rubio is on the game, postups should be very limited.

Not saying that it should disappear, but Wiggins needs to learn how to cut well and stroke it from deep. If you want a postup as one of your main half court plays, you're probably not going to have a good offense, especially when Wiggins was kind of a black hole passing out of them. I would run some postups for Towns and Wiggins when Rubio is out of the game, Lavine sucks as a PG so that way we can cut down the dumb plays and slow down the game.

[Merc_Porto]

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[FinnTheHuman]

0.8 point per possesion. One of our worst offensive plays last year.

Well, if we start building our game based on the stats, one of those is that Wiggins was among worse defenders in the league last year and that he could very well be a bust, and we all know it isn't true. I'm talking about the eye test, which says to me that he can be a great post-up player.

Just saying that good things didn't come out of that play. When Rubio is on the game, postups should be very limited.

Not saying that it should disappear, but Wiggins needs to learn how to cut well and stroke it from deep. If you want a postup as one of your main half court plays, you're probably not going to have a good offense, especially when Wiggins was kind of a black hole passing out of them. I would run some postups for Towns and Wiggins when Rubio is out of the game, Lavine sucks as a PG so that way we can cut down the dumb plays and slow down the game.

I just don't see how we could significantly integrate Wiggins into the offense any other way but by calling post up plays for him, because cutting itself isn't something you can get a lot of points with, and Wiggins didn't show a good feel for cutting either, and then we have spotting up which he didn't show he was really good at either, while his handle is not good enough for him to frequently beat guys off the dribble.

The only thing I feel he could soon become really good at is posting up, but I guess I could be wrong and that he could excel at something else rather than that. I feel like he won't meet anybody's expectations if he tries to produce mostly by spotting up and cutting.

[criteriado]

Well, if we start building our game based on the stats, one of those is that Wiggins was among worse defenders in the league last year and that he could very well be a bust, and we all know it isn't true. I'm talking about the eye test, which says to me that he can be a great post-up player.

Just saying that good things didn't come out of that play. When Rubio is on the game, postups should be very limited.

Not saying that it should disappear, but Wiggins needs to learn how to cut well and stroke it from deep. If you want a postup as one of your main half court plays, you're probably not going to have a good offense, especially when Wiggins was kind of a black hole passing out of them. I would run some postups for Towns and Wiggins when Rubio is out of the game, Lavine sucks as a PG so that way we can cut down the dumb plays and slow down the game.

I just don't see how we could significantly integrate Wiggins into the offense any other way but by calling post up plays for him, because cutting itself isn't something you can get a lot of points with, and Wiggins didn't show a good feel for cutting either, and then we have spotting up which he didn't show he was really good at either, while his handle is not good enough for him to frequently beat guys off the dribble.

The only thing I feel he could soon become really good at is posting up, but I guess I could be wrong and that he could excel at something else rather than that. I feel like he won't meet anybody's expectations if he tries to produce mostly by spotting up and cutting.

Posting up for a wing has to be priority number 4000. If he's not good at cutting or spotting up he will never be an allstar.
It's like a PG that only knows how to pass a ball to the high-low post, it far more important to be able to make passes out of the PNR, shoot, defend, etc...

Maybe l'm wrong and you should correct me, but what's the last great wing that his main card was posting up?