The Steve Clifford Thread 2.0 - Off the Cliff we go

[yosemiteben]

If he sucks it'll be a bad pick. Got it.

No, it will be a great pick. All our picks are great. Our owner is great. Our GM is great. Our coach is great. All their decisions are great and make sense. Everything about this franchise is great. There, are you satisfied?

Do you not see how it's kind of silly to have your view of Frank change based on him playing limited minutes in a single game (ignoring the fact that Cliff said he wanted to play him more)?

I don't care what your view is on Frank, that's your prerogative and I don't care if you think he's by far our worst pick, that's a defensible view even though I don't share it. I just think changing your view based on one game is dumb.

[Mystical Apples]

For the record I think the organization did a fantastic job this summer to get with the program. You can tell there were a few chips that didn't fall right but they'll be fine if they stick to the plan.

[Braggins]

If he sucks it'll be a bad pick. Got it.

No, it will be a great pick. All our picks are great. Our owner is great. Our GM is great. Our coach is great. All their decisions are great and make sense. Everything about this franchise is great. There, are you satisfied?

Do you not see how it's kind of silly to have your view of Frank change based on him playing limited minutes in a single game (ignoring the fact that Cliff said he wanted to play him more)?

I don't care what your view is on Frank, that's your prerogative and I don't care if you think he's by far our worst pick, that's a defensible view even though I don't share it. I just think changing your view based on one game is dumb.

I don't think he is our worst pick and I didn't change my view after one game. My current view on Frank is that he should be play a lot more than he did in that game because from what I've seen he seems like hes pretty good.

Generally you would expect a top 10 draft pick that was a 4 year college player to be able to easily beat out guys like Spencer Hawes for backup minutes. I personally don't think that him not playing that one game is indicative of his ability, but rather Clifford being more comfortable playing a veteran, but I still think the situation is making the pick look suspect and my personal opinion on the matter might just be wishful thinking.

[JDR720]

I'll be honest, I think Cho is a better GM than Clifford is a coach. Cho's weak area has been drafting, but it seems like with this front office the draft is more of a collaborative effort so I'm not currently willing to blame our drafting woes completely on Cho. I'm not happy with either, but if I had to choose one to go it would be Clifford. My first choice would actually be firing MJ from having any say in basketball decisions, but thats never happening.

I can agree with Cho being a better GM than Cliff is a coach. I would say Cho is at least average in everything (draft/FA/trades etc.). would also agree that MJ shouldn't get involved in b-ball decisions, honestly wouldn't mind him selling the team (after Seattle gets a team that is).

[Mystical Apples]

At this point in their careers I wouldn't consider Frank and Hawes interchangeable. Hawes is a center and Frank is stretch 4 suited to defend power forwards and larger small forwards. Cody and Marvin are getting Franks minutes and that's logical.

Either way Clifford has flat out said they have high hopes for Frank, including being the only big on the roster who could compliment everyone else without condition.Also said he's changing his rotations patterns for Frank and will go 10 just for him.

[Braggins]

At this point in their careers I wouldn't consider Frank and Hawes interchangeable. Hawes is a center and Frank is stretch 4 suited to defend power forwards and larger small forwards. Cody and Marvin are getting Franks minutes and that's logical.

really good point

[MasterIchiro]

Nonsense. The market will make its selection. Clifford's career will endure longer than Cho's when it's all said and done. Cho had a good offseason so I won't get on him right now but get off Cliffs tip. He benched al what like the entire 4th quarter? His comments at practice acknowledged the ball not moving. He knows exactly what's going on and just took definitive action for all to see.

[Liver_Pooty]

I'll be honest, I think Cho is a better GM than Clifford is a coach. Cho's weak area has been drafting, but it seems like with this front office the draft is more of a collaborative effort so I'm not currently willing to blame our drafting woes completely on Cho. I'm not happy with either, but if I had to choose one to go it would be Clifford. My first choice would actually be firing MJ from having any say in basketball decisions, but thats never happening.

I can agree with Cho being a better GM than Cliff is a coach. I would say Cho is at least average in everything (draft/FA/trades etc.). would also agree that MJ shouldn't get involved in b-ball decisions, honestly wouldn't mind him selling the team (after Seattle gets a team that is).

Jordan selling this team would be the worst thing that could happen to this franchise. Ridiculous.

[JDR720]

I'll be honest, I think Cho is a better GM than Clifford is a coach. Cho's weak area has been drafting, but it seems like with this front office the draft is more of a collaborative effort so I'm not currently willing to blame our drafting woes completely on Cho. I'm not happy with either, but if I had to choose one to go it would be Clifford. My first choice would actually be firing MJ from having any say in basketball decisions, but thats never happening.

I can agree with Cho being a better GM than Cliff is a coach. I would say Cho is at least average in everything (draft/FA/trades etc.). would also agree that MJ shouldn't get involved in b-ball decisions, honestly wouldn't mind him selling the team (after Seattle gets a team that is).

Jordan selling this team would be the worst thing that could happen to this franchise. Ridiculous.

how so?. as long as the new owner kept the team in Charlotte it couldn't be much worse than MJ. MJ is solid at the non-basketball parts of being an owner, but he isn't very good at the basketball side of things.

[Liver_Pooty]

The Hornets are already irrelevant enough as it is. Jordan is essentially the face of the franchise. Him selling the team (which he won't do, so it's dumb debating anyway) would make us even more irrelevant. I also don't think he's as involved in basketball decisions as some might think. A lot of writers just throw that nonsense around during draft time for hits.

I'm sure he's involved in some capacity, but 3/4ths of the owners are

[Liver_Pooty]

Fire Cho. Fire Clifford. Jordan selling the team.

You guys want to burn the arena down as well?

[LamarMatic7]

The Hornets are already irrelevant enough as it is. Jordan is essentially the face of the franchise. Him selling the team (which he won't do, so it's dumb debating anyway) would make us even more irrelevant. I also don't think he's as involved in basketball decisions as some might think. A lot of writers just throw that nonsense around during draft time for hits.

I'm sure he's involved in some capacity, but 3/4ths of the owners are

He does seem to be involved more than others. Even Cho and Polk don't disagree with that.

And these are Jordan’s picks in the end, even though his confidantes insist the GOAT wants employees who will push back. “He’s not a dictator,” Polk says. “He likes healthy debate.”

“If you canvass the league,” Cho adds, “pretty much every owner has final say.” He’s right, but there are still degrees of involvement. Few owners are as active as Jordan in the basketball aspects of player-related debates.

[Liver_Pooty]

Doesn't mean he needs to sell the team, though.

[LamarMatic7]

Doesn't mean he needs to sell the team, though.

oh yeah. no doubt about that.

[MKGsMotor]

Fire Clifford

[LamarMatic7]

good lord

can we at least play 3 games before talking about firing people this year? lol

I might have been wrong

Fire Clifford

[Eoghan]

For the record I think the organization did a fantastic job this summer to get with the program. You can tell there were a few chips that didn't fall right but they'll be fine if they stick to the plan.

*dies laughing*

[therebirth]

We all know Bismarck and Cody are cho's pick. He was obsessesd with Bismarck even before he came to Charlotte. Also it was clear he fought for Cody to get selected. He also did pick mkg. I think Jordan lost faith in cho after the the first few busts he picked and only then did he become more involved.

[Braggins]

Ive been gradually warming up to Clifford slightly.

[BigSlam]

Ive been gradually warming up to Clifford slightly.

Until we lose a few games and suffer a blow out or two.

Then you'll go back to bashing him again.


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