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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#41 » by Heat3 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:59 pm

move wade/deng to the bench. wade can dominate the ball and deng can clean up

dragic/green/winslow/bosh can run the floor as a unit.

egos must not be bruised though.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#42 » by Bishop45 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:21 pm

Heat3 wrote:move wade/deng to the bench. wade can dominate the ball and deng can clean up

dragic/green/winslow/bosh can run the floor as a unit.

egos must not be bruised though.


That's a tall task, not sure about that one (being the best possible product)
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#43 » by Shewasfly » Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:36 pm

Deng is not the 'problem' per se, but if anybody is expendable in the starting unit it's him. The idea to move your absolute best player to the bench, apparently to appease your PG who is being paid heftily but having a hard time creating or scoring whenever not the break, is really terrible.

I think Deng should split his minutes with Green when Wade and Dragic are on the floor. That will up the tempo so Dragic can hopefully be productive, and that will provide Wade (and Bosh) a little more spacing to operate in the halfcourt.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#44 » by Heat_team02 » Sun Nov 1, 2015 10:47 am

Bishop45 wrote:There isn't a Deng problem.


edit;

Opting in was my personal beef it landed us Stat cause we needed minimum salaries after opting in....it changed the team's free agency plans & placed Josh Richardson in a suit..

If he was Anthony Carter forgetting his Opt In date, no one would have called to remind him either.

Add to that; Deng has a 15% Trade Kicker making him a trade albatross + Spo plays salaries & age over youth.
Best thing to do now is to run him into the ground till he can't go anymore.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#45 » by Bishop45 » Sun Nov 1, 2015 3:53 pm

Heat_team02 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:There isn't a Deng problem.


edit;

Opting in was my personal beef it landed us Stat cause we needed minimum salaries after opting in....it changed the team's free agency plans & placed Josh Richardson in a suit..

If he was Anthony Carter forgetting his Opt In date, no one would have called to remind him either.

Add to that; Deng has a 15% Trade Kicker making him a trade albatross + Spo plays salaries & age over youth.
Best thing to do now is to run him into the ground till he can't go anymore.


You realize why this is insane?
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#46 » by Flash4thewin » Sun Nov 1, 2015 7:46 pm

Heat_team02 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:There isn't a Deng problem.


edit;

Opting in was my personal beef it landed us Stat cause we needed minimum salaries after opting in....it changed the team's free agency plans & placed Josh Richardson in a suit..

If he was Anthony Carter forgetting his Opt In date, no one would have called to remind him either.

Add to that; Deng has a 15% Trade Kicker making him a trade albatross + Spo plays salaries & age over youth.
Best thing to do now is to run him into the ground till he can't go anymore.


That will kill the dream at this point of us getting any elite players this offseason. What FA would want to play for an organization that does that.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#47 » by Heat_team02 » Sun Nov 1, 2015 8:35 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
Heat_team02 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:There isn't a Deng problem.


edit;

Opting in was my personal beef it landed us Stat cause we needed minimum salaries after opting in....it changed the team's free agency plans & placed Josh Richardson in a suit..

If he was Anthony Carter forgetting his Opt In date, no one would have called to remind him either.

Add to that; Deng has a 15% Trade Kicker making him a trade albatross + Spo plays salaries & age over youth.
Best thing to do now is to run him into the ground till he can't go anymore.


You realize why this is insane?


You can call it anything you like to make you feel good but the opinion stands upright.

Winslow will become the next Norris Cole & J Rich the next bench rot aka Napier.

Look at Napier's development. Now he can't even get PT in championship rich Orlando.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#48 » by TroubleS0me » Sun Nov 1, 2015 10:58 pm

Heat_team02 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
Heat_team02 wrote:
edit;

Opting in was my personal beef it landed us Stat cause we needed minimum salaries after opting in....it changed the team's free agency plans & placed Josh Richardson in a suit..

If he was Anthony Carter forgetting his Opt In date, no one would have called to remind him either.

Add to that; Deng has a 15% Trade Kicker making him a trade albatross + Spo plays salaries & age over youth.
Best thing to do now is to run him into the ground till he can't go anymore.


You realize why this is insane?


You can call it anything you like to make you feel good but the opinion stands upright.

Winslow will become the next Norris Cole & J Rich the next bench rot aka Napier.

Look at Napier's development. Now he can't even get PT in championship rich Orlando.


:nonono: its only 2 games
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#49 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Nov 2, 2015 3:40 pm

Would really like to see Winslow inserted into the starting lineup. Deng needs to start embracing a Battier like role off the bench.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#50 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Nov 2, 2015 6:39 pm

Deng is entering free agency, he aint about that Battier life right now.

As long as he can keep being a respectable 3 point shooter (36%+) - this thread should stay quiet.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#51 » by Sgt P » Mon Nov 2, 2015 8:13 pm

When is it a good time to start looking pass the "fit" or out of shape excuse?

For me I wait until 20 games played to judge however, given our schedule being heavily favorable right now at home against mostly non-playoff teams.

We might have to a HARD look at our roster within the first 12 games, just my 2 cents.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#52 » by Chalm Down » Tue Nov 3, 2015 12:34 am

Heat_team02 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:
Heat_team02 wrote:
edit;

Opting in was my personal beef it landed us Stat cause we needed minimum salaries after opting in....it changed the team's free agency plans & placed Josh Richardson in a suit..

If he was Anthony Carter forgetting his Opt In date, no one would have called to remind him either.

Add to that; Deng has a 15% Trade Kicker making him a trade albatross + Spo plays salaries & age over youth.
Best thing to do now is to run him into the ground till he can't go anymore.


You realize why this is insane?


You can call it anything you like to make you feel good but the opinion stands upright.

Winslow will become the next Norris Cole & J Rich the next bench rot aka Napier.

Look at Napier's development. Now he can't even get PT in championship rich Orlando.


Napier actually got 16 minutes last night...
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#53 » by Chalm Down » Tue Nov 3, 2015 12:37 am

Heat_team02 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:There isn't a Deng problem.


edit;

Opting in was my personal beef it landed us Stat cause we needed minimum salaries after opting in....it changed the team's free agency plans & placed Josh Richardson in a suit..

If he was Anthony Carter forgetting his Opt In date, no one would have called to remind him either.

Add to that; Deng has a 15% Trade Kicker making him a trade albatross + Spo plays salaries & age over youth.
Best thing to do now is to run him into the ground till he can't go anymore.


Miami is $23mil over the salary cap. Subtracting Deng's $11mil doesn't free up any extra money for non-vet min players.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#54 » by Heat_team02 » Wed Nov 4, 2015 12:31 pm

I love Deng the Power Forward. lol

run um into the ground.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#55 » by HEAT_ME_UP » Mon Dec 7, 2015 1:42 am

So, Deng is Out and all of a sudden the team Chemistry is starting to look much better. More ball movement, faster pace , Goran has found his Rhythm and also improved drastically (offensively). Green Brings Energy, speed and a real offensive threat. Would Spo move Deng to the bench?
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#56 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Dec 7, 2015 9:41 am

HEAT_ME_UP wrote:So, Deng is Out and all of a sudden the team Chemistry is starting to look much better. More ball movement, faster pace , Goran has found his Rhythm and also improved drastically (offensively). Green Brings Energy, speed and a real offensive threat. Would Spo move Deng to the bench?


To me Deng never fitted with our starting 5 :

He's not the shooter Wade needs next to him,
He's not the runner Dragic needs next to him,
He's the young energy type player the other 4 starters need.

Green's defense is proving to be decent enough even against starters SF's.

The problem Deng doesn't really fit with the Bench mob of TJ Winslow Mcbob, and IDN if Spo has the balls the bench the bigger name and more respected player.
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Re: Starting five chemistry! The Deng problem... 

Post#57 » by heat4life » Mon Dec 7, 2015 2:37 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
HEAT_ME_UP wrote:So, Deng is Out and all of a sudden the team Chemistry is starting to look much better. More ball movement, faster pace , Goran has found his Rhythm and also improved drastically (offensively). Green Brings Energy, speed and a real offensive threat. Would Spo move Deng to the bench?


To me Deng never fitted with our starting 5 :

He's not the shooter Wade needs next to him,
He's not the runner Dragic needs next to him,
He's the young energy type player the other 4 starters need.

Green's defense is proving to be decent enough even against starters SF's.

The problem Deng doesn't really fit with the Bench mob of TJ Winslow Mcbob, and IDN if Spo has the balls the bench the bigger name and more respected player.


I actually think that Deng might fit better with the subs. I mean McBob and Winslow are excellent passers and Deng could benefit since he is a slasher first. Also, TJ opens the paint with his shooting and Deng's defense can lead the pack of defensive wolves off the bench. The more I look at it, the more I like it IMO.
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