Is Kieff dogging it?

jcsunsfan · Post #461 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:38 pm

aewyatt7 wrote:Bennet being bought out.... di we pursue?

Doubt it. Looks like he had already been talking to Portland.

Post #462 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:27 pm

Haven't read all 24 pages but my two targets for a Morris deal would be Faried or Ryan Anderson.

There are obviously cons to both ideas. Kieff is a more skilled player than Faried, who only excels in transition, hustle plays or off the pick and roll. Kieff's also cheaper than Faried. But Faried always plays at 110%, is about a year younger than Kieff, and is a great locker-room guy as well. Faried/Chandler would not be a good lineup spacing-wise, but I think it's worth it just to get a good player in return for a guy who clearly doesn't want to be here.

Anderson would be a perfect fit for us as a stretch 4. He's a legitimately dangerous scorer, and can be lethal beyond the arc. I actually believe we'd be a better team with Ryno at the 4 instead of Kieff. Only problem is that he hasn't been the same since his injury, and he's a year older than Kieff.

Still...at this point, I'd much rather have Faried or Ryno on the squad than Markieff.

Post #463 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:33 pm

TASTIC wrote:Kings for Gay, done.

I doubt MIN would want him and his petulant attitude anywhere near their youngsters.

He seems like a Knick to me haha

Rudy is actually a really interesting idea. I'm one of the biggest "Rudy is an empty stats guy" proponents, but when I think about going small with Gay at the 3 and Tucker as a small 4 next to Chandler in the frontcourt, I actually kind of dig it. Improves our spacing dramatically, gives us another dynamic weapon on the floor.

If Markieff actually wanted to be here, I wouldn't do that deal, but if he wants to get out of town, then I like the Rudy suggestion.

Would love to turn it into a Kieff/Goodwin for Gay/McLemore swap but I can't get the salaries to work. I also don't think the Kings would do it.

Post #464 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:43 pm

DarkHawk wrote:If you guys didn't see this already, Pelton gave his trade ideas.

Boston Celtics

Offer: F Perry Jones, F/C Jared Sullinger, F/G James Young, possible draft considerations

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Charlotte Hornets

Offer: G Brian Roberts, PF Cody Zeller

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Los Angeles Lakers

Offer: G Jabari Brown, F Ryan Kelly, PF Julius Randle

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Portland Trail Blazers

Offer: PF Noah Vonleh

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Toronto Raptors

Offer: PF Patrick Patterson

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/13423779/nba-boston-celtics-toronto-raptors-potential-landing-spots-phoenix-suns-forward-markieff-morris

I'd take the Lakers or Blazers deal first if they were on the table.

I like all of them except for Toronto. Would want something more than Patterson.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #465 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:48 pm

What are the odds that Keef dogs it?

And if he does, we have to bench him, and then what? Could we even get a late-first for the guy?

jcsunsfan · Post #466 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:49 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:What are the odds that Keef dogs it?

And if he does, we have to bench him, and then what? Could we even get a late-first for the guy?

I think there is very little chance of this happening. YOu do not make it to the NBA without being intensely competitive. Once a player is on the court that competitiveness kicks in.

If you know the scorpion and the frog story. . .

NTB · Post #467 » by **NTB** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:01 pm

I'd love to get Pat-Pat.

Post #468 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:18 am

NTB wrote:I'd love to get Pat-Pat.

Maybe they are after Bennett so they can take a chance on trading Pat Pat for Kieff.

SideSwipe · Post #469 » by **SideSwipe** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:19 am

NTB wrote:I'd love to get Pat-Pat.

So long as it is not straight up, I would not mind getting Patterson. I would want additional assets, otherwise I would hold out. Kieff, despite his obvious flaws is still very talented. He has flaws in several areas, but he is good in one or two as well. I don't think Patrick Patterson is enough compensation for what Kieff brings.

NTB · Post #470 » by **NTB** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:57 am

SideSwipe wrote:
NTB wrote:I'd love to get Pat-Pat.

So long as it is not straight up, I would not mind getting Patterson. I would want additional assets, otherwise I would hold out. Kieff, despite his obvious flaws is still very talented. He has flaws in several areas, but he is good in one or two as well. I don't think Patrick Patterson is enough compensation for what Kieff brings.

First of all, I think it is not only about talent. It is about fitting the system. Sometimes you can let it go. We need PFs that can stretch the floor as hell. I believe that if our 4s are stretch, we won't even need Markieff's offense. So since Pat-Pat or Teletovic is not worse defender than Markieff, I'd love to see them as our 4s. I don't care what Markieff's value is. Because I know that Pat-Pat would be more beneficial than Markieff.

jcsunsfan · Post #471 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:00 pm

NTB wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:
NTB wrote:I'd love to get Pat-Pat.

So long as it is not straight up, I would not mind getting Patterson. I would want additional assets, otherwise I would hold out. Kieff, despite his obvious flaws is still very talented. He has flaws in several areas, but he is good in one or two as well. I don't think Patrick Patterson is enough compensation for what Kieff brings.

First of all, I think it is not only about talent. It is about fitting the system. Sometimes you can let it go. We need PFs that can stretch the floor as hell. I believe that if our 4s are stretch, we won't even need Markieff's offense. So since Pat-Pat or Teletovic is not worse defender than Markieff, I'd love to see them as our 4s. I don't care what Markieff's value is. Because I know that Pat-Pat would be more beneficial than Markieff.

OK, ok, reality check here. One of the reasons Markieff is respected around the league (for his game, not his off the court stuff) is his complete game. He can defend pf's. Its been said multiple times. To clain that Patterson or Teletovic will defend like Markieff is not being realistic.

Its just not.

SideSwipe · Post #472 » by **SideSwipe** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:06 pm

NTB wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:
NTB wrote:I'd love to get Pat-Pat.

So long as it is not straight up, I would not mind getting Patterson. I would want additional assets, otherwise I would hold out. Kieff, despite his obvious flaws is still very talented. He has flaws in several areas, but he is good in one or two as well. I don't think Patrick Patterson is enough compensation for what Kieff brings.

First of all, I think it is not only about talent. It is about fitting the system. Sometimes you can let it go. We need PFs that can stretch the floor as hell. I believe that if our 4s are stretch, we won't even need Markieff's offense. So since Pat-Pat or Teletovic is not worse defender than Markieff, I'd love to see them as our 4s. I don't care what Markieff's value is. Because I know that Pat-Pat would be more beneficial than Markieff.

If you have $250,000 to spend on one car and you could choose either a Miata or an Aston Martin you would choose the Aston every time. The Miata is a convertible and does much of what the Aston can do, but the Aston, even as temperamental as British cars can be, has greatness within it. It is far from perfect, but in a world where it costs the same as a Miata, you take the Aston every time.

You don't give up Kieff for lesser value because that's all we need. You capitalize on his value and grab something that will fill the gap and another asset to cover the value difference.

SideSwipe · Post #473 » by **SideSwipe** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:06 pm

SideSwipe wrote:
NTB wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:
So long as it is not straight up, I would not mind getting Patterson. I would want additional assets, otherwise I would hold out. Kieff, despite his obvious flaws is still very talented. He has flaws in several areas, but he is good in one or two as well. I don't think Patrick Patterson is enough compensation for what Kieff brings.

First of all, I think it is not only about talent. It is about fitting the system. Sometimes you can let it go. We need PFs that can stretch the floor as hell. I believe that if our 4s are stretch, we won't even need Markieff's offense. So since Pat-Pat or Teletovic is not worse defender than Markieff, I'd love to see them as our 4s. I don't care what Markieff's value is. Because I know that Pat-Pat would be more beneficial than Markieff.

If you have up to $250,000 to spend on one car and you could choose either a Miata or an Aston Martin you would choose the Aston every time. The Miata is a convertible and does much of what the Aston can do, but the Aston, even as temperamental as British cars can be, has greatness within it. It is far from perfect, but in a world where it costs the same as a Miata, you take the Aston every time.

You don't give up Kieff for lesser value because that's all we need. You capitalize on his value and grab something that will fill the gap and another asset to cover the value difference.

Post #474 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Oct 1, 2015 4:54 am

Poll added

denial · Post #475 » by **denial** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:14 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Players are informed about trades in person immediately customarily but during the off season when players are out of town on vacation etc that can be impossible. That was the case with the Morris twins.

It's not 1974. We have things called text messages, emails, and voice mails.

SAKURABA216 · Post #476 » by **SAKURABA216** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:24 pm

After what you guys did to my poor Lions over the weekend, you should just give him to us.

Man, its a sad time to be a Detroit sports fan. At least we still have Michigan and Michigan State football.

Grots · Post #477 » by **Grots** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:13 pm

If Keef is just saying "I want to be here" to get his trade value up and he doesn't want to stay (which seems like the most likely scenario to me), I could see a Pistons trade. It'll take more than Ilyasova though. They'd want this year or next year's pick as well.

Lindecision · Post #478 » by **Lindecision** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:25 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Lindecision wrote:Except you never had a realistic shot at LMA. No one did, apart from the Spurs. To base your offseason moves off of that wasn't smart. The meetings he had with other teams were just out of courtesy. I can rationalize McD's actions, as you have laid out the process. But I don't agree with the premise it was based off at all.

If you don't agree with the premise then you're not looking at the facts then. It was widely reported (not just by Suns media) that Suns were a legit contender from the beginning and it took a last ditch effort by Spurs assistant Udoka to convince LMA to choose Spurs in the end.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/1/8880971/lamarcus-aldridge-phoenix-suns-free-agency-rumors

But while Phoenix is feeling optimistic at the moment, signing Aldridge is going to take some swift cap mechanics. The Suns entered free agency with about $12 million in cap room.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2015/7/1/8880905/phoenix-suns-lamarcus-aldridge-nba-free-agent-news

http://www.inquisitr.com/2218556/lamarcus-aldridge-to-phoenix-suns-nba-analaysts-say-its-a-real-possibility/

https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/616400386765619200

And to show just how close it got
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/8/24/9198393/lamarcus-aldridge-Ime-Udoka-san-antonio-spurs-signing

So please if you're going to post about this, at least do some research.

The media just get fed those things by agents. Its just part of the song and dance that agents and teams play with each other. At no point was it ever going to happen. Phoenix have terrible been for years with no playoff pedigree. The Spurs are the opposite. Metaphorically Phoenix got to the final, so well done, but we all know they were just gonna get blown out by Team USA.

I think Phoenix was given the recognition mainly out of respect for the organization, knowing you didn't have a real shot to begin with but still went ahead and made the moves anyway. What was lost in Kieff's trade value was definitely gained in organizational attractiveness around agent circles.

Post #479 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:13 pm

SAKURABA216 wrote:After what you guys did to my poor Lions over the weekend, you should just give him to us.

Man, its a sad time to be a Detroit sports fan. At least we still have Michigan and Michigan State football.

As for Michigan and Michigan St football, as I see you are a fan of Michigan, that loss to Michigan St had to be pretty painful. It was painful for me to watch and I have zero reason to care one way or the other about that game.

SAKURABA216 · Post #480 » by **SAKURABA216** » Mon Nov 2, 2015 5:35 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
SAKURABA216 wrote:After what you guys did to my poor Lions over the weekend, you should just give him to us.

Man, its a sad time to be a Detroit sports fan. At least we still have Michigan and Michigan State football.

As for Michigan and Michigan St football, as I see you are a fan of Michigan, that loss to Michigan St had to be pretty painful. It was painful for me to watch and I have zero reason to care one way or the other about that game.

While I like UofM more, I like both teams so I could live with MSU staying undefeated. I'll be rooting hard for UofM to beat Ohio State this weekend though.

Marcus Morris has been playing great for us so far. Hopefully there's still some way we can get Kieff on our team too.