Better team this season= Utah Jazz or Sacramento Kings?

[Litany]

I'm not seeing this, taking more usage/shots doesn't automatically equate to better offensive player, especially since Cousins is an absolute turnover factory:
In 2015:
Favors on-court ORTG - 107.3 (+4.5)
Cousins on-court ORTG - 106.7 (+2.6) (1st year Cousins had positive on-off on O)

He's full of ****. He has a clear agenda in what he's saying. He will fly off the handle and say it's my fault for bringing it up, but I think he's clearly still pissed about the way I made fun of Kanter and OKC signing the worst defender in the league and a bench player to a max contract. Bondom defending this and claiming thread derail in 3...2...1..

2 things:
1. Not claiming you're derailing, but you are baiting .
2. I have zero agenda against you for anything on Kanter. He was an ass to the Jazz fans, I've said as much. I'm happy with him in OKC. Believe it or not, I tend not to live on last season's results, I have enough confidence in myself and my own team to do so.

Of course you'll say that . Did you think I was expecting you to come in here and admit to it? Come on...

[Litany]

Well I guess if we're highlighting defensive lapses....




3 games people. 3.

And about this video, here's the difference. Favors realized the lapse and at least tried to do something about the play. Cousins would have stood there and watched him, which is what those videos show.

Except your video cut out the part where Cousins actually didn't realize what happened in the play. Hence his confusion (similar to Favors).

K...go home.

[Texas Chuck]

He's full of ****. He has a clear agenda in what he's saying. He will fly off the handle and say it's my fault for bringing it up, but I think he's clearly still pissed about the way I made fun of Kanter and OKC signing the worst defender in the league and a bench player to a max contract. Bondom defending this and claiming thread derail in 3...2...1..

not to defend bondom who is the most agenda-laced poster on Real GM.... but what why do you think he is mad at you specifically? Considering the vast number of negative posts made about Kanter by thousands of posters on this board.

To me once someone starts in with baseless agenda accusationsm it's a clear sign they don't have any more legit arguments left to make to support their position.

[bondom34]

He's full of ****. He has a clear agenda in what he's saying. He will fly off the handle and say it's my fault for bringing it up, but I think he's clearly still pissed about the way I made fun of Kanter and OKC signing the worst defender in the league and a bench player to a max contract. Bondom defending this and claiming thread derail in 3...2...1..

2 things:
1. Not claiming you're derailing, but you are baiting .
2. I have zero agenda against you for anything on Kanter. He was an ass to the Jazz fans, I've said as much. I'm happy with him in OKC. Believe it or not, I tend not to live on last season's results, I have enough confidence in myself and my own team to do so.

Of course you'll say that . Did you think I was expecting you to come in here and admit to it? Come on...

Believe it or not, the Jazz...not too high on my priorities list. And I've liked your team, but you're pushing it. Seriously, this is weird. I've stood up for you guys on the trade board, and even posted on your own board a few times. I've never said a thing about Kanter other than I like him on OKC and he was poor toward Utah. And again, stop baiting, because its old. The world doesn't revolve around Utah bud.

[bondom34]

And about this video, here's the difference. Favors realized the lapse and at least tried to do something about the play. Cousins would have stood there and watched him, which is what those videos show.

Except your video cut out the part where Cousins actually didn't realize what happened in the play. Hence his confusion (similar to Favors).

K...go home.

K.

Stop being useless.

[Litany]

Back to the topic. Nobody is denying that the Kings have enough talent on their roster. Anyone can see that the guys they have are real NBA players.

But Cousins, Rondo, Karl (after a summer of attempting to trade Cousins) and that owner? I guess I just expect the Kings to have winning droughts and when those happen I expect them to implode. We will see. That's why we watch right?

Hopefully for the Kings sake, they will buyout that majority owner and get things on track. That guy is getting in the team's way.

[bondom34]

Oh, from last season:

DRPM:
Favors: 2.18
Cousins: 4.71

On/off:
Favors: -0.8 (team better when he sat defensively)
Cousins: +6.9

[Litany]

Oh, from last season:

DRPM:
Favors: 2.18
Cousins: 4.71

On/off:
Favors: -0.8 (team better when he sat defensively)
Cousins: +6.9

In 13/14 LeBron had a -0.21 DRPM as of April, he is clearly a bad defender and not one of the best in the league.

If you're not going to use these stats right, go away.

Stop your agenda and stop being baiting...

[bondom34]

Oh, from last season:

DRPM:
Favors: 2.18
Cousins: 4.71

On/off:
Favors: -0.8 (team better when he sat defensively)
Cousins: +6.9

In 13/14 LeBron had a -0.21 DRPM as of April, he is clearly a bad defender and not one of the best in the league.

Stop your agenda and stop being baiting...

13/14 Lebron didn't play defense in the regular season. Start paying attention to more than your own team.

[codydaze]

Oh, from last season:

DRPM:
Favors: 2.18
Cousins: 4.71

On/off:
Favors: -0.8 (team better when he sat defensively)
Cousins: +6.9

In 13/14 LeBron had a -0.21 DRPM as of April, he is clearly a bad defender and not one of the best in the league.

If you're not going to use these stats right, go away.

Stop your agenda and stop being baiting...

Just curious. What numbers would you use to say Favors is a superior defender, if any? All their defensive numbers are fairly close, both beating the other out in a couple categories. Really the only stat Favors has that's superior to Cousins is turnovers but Cousins also has a much higher usage and the ball is in his hands a lot. I just don't see how it can be argued Favors is the superior player. Even the eye test will tell you Cousins is more dominant. I watch every Kings game and he does not have a history of defensive lapses. That one play that you've singled out multiple times was bad, sure, but it's not like that is a regular thing for him. I like Utah's team and I think we'll be fighting with you guys for playoffs but Cousins > Favors every day.

[stitches]

On the Bondom agenda, I personally think he's a top chap and haven't seen him being biased in any way against the Jazz or our players.

Oh, from last season:

DRPM:
Favors: 2.18
Cousins: 4.71

On/off:
Favors: -0.8 (team better when he sat defensively)
Cousins: +6.9

The problem is one of them didn't play 850 minutes with Kanter and wasn't getting backed up by Gobert when off-court.

[bondom34]

On the Bondom agenda, I personally think he's a top chap and haven't seen him being biased in any way against the Jazz or our players.

Oh, from last season:

DRPM:
Favors: 2.18
Cousins: 4.71

On/off:
Favors: -0.8 (team better when he sat defensively)
Cousins: +6.9

The problem is one of them didn't play 850 minutes with Kanter and wasn't getting backed up by Gobert when off-court.

That however, is good reasoning (at least for some of it, though to be fair Cousins wasn't playing with any defensive studs either). As well, thanks stitches, you're a good guy yourself .

[sdballer]

Oh, from last season:

DRPM:
Favors: 2.18
Cousins: 4.71

On/off:
Favors: -0.8 (team better when he sat defensively)
Cousins: +6.9

In 13/14 LeBron had a -0.21 DRPM as of April, he is clearly a bad defender and not one of the best in the league.

If you're not going to use these stats right, go away.

Stop your agenda and stop being baiting...

Just curious. What numbers would you use to say Favors is a superior defender, if any? All their defensive numbers are fairly close, both beating the other out in a couple categories. Really the only stat Favors has that's superior to Cousins is turnovers but Cousins also has a much higher usage and the ball is in his hands a lot. I just don't see how it can be argued Favors is the superior player. Even the eye test will tell you Cousins is more dominant. I watch every Kings game and he does not have a history of defensive lapses. That one play that you've singled out multiple times was bad, sure, but it's not like that is a regular thing for him. I like Utah's team and I think we'll be fighting with you guys for playoffs but Cousins > Favors every day.

Lattimer doens't need stats. A little snarkiness plus a few video clips are all that matter.

[Cappy_Smurf]

After few games its pretty clear the jazz look like a better team. Hayward is playing great along with gorbert and favours

I am not sure that is the lesson at all. I watch a lot of Kings games, and the Kings look very legit. More legit than I expected. They have looked every bit as talented as the Clippers early in the season, had leads on them both times in the final 6 minutes of each game, and Rondo is looking really good thus far.

Interesting.

[jazzfan1971]

I dont' think you can tell much so far. Strength of schedule makes comparisons this early unreliable.

Lets wait 10 games in then look at point differential, generally a good measure of team strength. 20 games in even better, we should have a pretty strong idea by 20 games.

[City of Trees]

All star break

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[City of Trees]

Wait next season after trade deadline

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[jazzfan1971]

How about we agree on 20 games? That's a pretty reliable spot to judge where teams are.

[Winsome Gerbil]

After few games its pretty clear the jazz look like a better team. Hayward is playing great along with gorbert and favours

I am not sure that is the lesson at all. I watch a lot of Kings games, and the Kings look very legit. More legit than I expected. They have looked every bit as talented as the Clippers early in the season, had leads on them both times in the final 6 minutes of each game, and Rondo is looking really good thus far.

Interesting.

Ongoing Cousins issue for the Kings.

Really quite remarkable. I highlighed it several times last year, but basically its been 3 years now since the Kings could do anything at all without DeMarcus Cousins. His W/L impact is LeBronesque. Maybe even more than LeBron given teammates. If my math is correct I think they are 6-31 now the last 3 seasons without Cousins. Its sad. A testament to his greatness, but sad for the franchise. They're obviously going to have to fix that to ever be a real threat, but having him go down so quickly was absolutely worst case for them. Really tough schedule (first 8 games = Clips x2, Warriors, Spurs, Grizzlies, Rockets) and no Boogie = bunch of losses.

[Austincys21]

Eh doesn't matter who's better cause they won't beat the Warriors. Irrelevant are both