Defensive Reasons - The PJ Hairston Thread

therebirth · Post #1081 » by **therebirth** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 2:45 am

Some of you don't want to believe what's starring you in the face. Clifford is very straight forward person. Just ask lance and Bismarck. He doesn't mince words. He believes PJ can be a starter in this league. He has been saying it from the beginning. Chi doesn't see it. End of story.

steady · Post #1082 » by **steady** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:14 am

I have suddenly gone from being skeptical about Hairston to wanting to encourage him after seeing this news. The next few days are going to be tough fo him

Korver Stopper - The PJ Hairston Thread. ??

Edit - I'm obviously terrible at this

- any ideas guys?

EwingSweatsALot · Post #1083 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:32 am

This franchise is never not hilarious. LMFAO.

tyusedney · Post #1084 » by **tyusedney** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:45 am

if PJ is the starter for his 'defense', then start PSYCHOT too

UNCNYC · Post #1085 » by **UNCNYC** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:28 am

I have no idea why we didn't extend PJ nor do I know why we gave Lamb 7 mill. Lamb is a player that is going to look good one night and totally shoot us out of a game the next because I think he wants to be GREAT which I do not believe he is. I am happy he is here because I am and have always been a fan but he shouldn't have gotten so much from us. PJ's shot will start to fall. Whats going on with it is that he has to play the best players which is a bit much to ask anyone let alone basically a rook. The more confidence he gets then his shot will start to fall as well as him just getting used to NBA defenders. It took Reddick years to become a good NBA shooter. PJ will get there

UNCNYC · Post #1086 » by **UNCNYC** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:31 am

Really stupid not to extend PJ but our front office is a joke anyone so what do you expect. Cho must be a UCONN fan because he loves giving star money to role players

UNCNYC · Post #1087 » by **UNCNYC** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:37 am

I hope Cho and Cliff are gone after this season

Braggins · Post #1088 » by **Braggins** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:39 am

Pj kind of got the raw deal honestly. He certainly hasn't performed well for us at all, but hes actually done a decent job playing his role so far this season and his contract was so cheap. Maybe the front office just didn't know how else to make it clear to Clifford that Lamb should be playing more.

Having said that, it is really hard to feel to sorry for him. Hes had multiple off the court issues and has shot abysmally. His defense has been decent this season but has been atrocious up until this point.

UNCNYC · Post #1089 » by **UNCNYC** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 5:35 am

Dumb as hell not to resign PJ. The guy is friggin starting for us and he hasn't really gotten a shot to play in the past. If he has a decent season he is going to demand more. Lamb is going to prove a mistake you watch and see. He just tries to do too much. He and Lin will turn out to be the guys you most dislike come seasons end

ChokeFasncists · Post #1090 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 6:15 am

Maybe it's to motivate him? Like, look, Lamb hasn't played very well but he's in shape. You're not in shape, you don't get a contract.

DY_nasty · Post #1091 » by **DY_nasty** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 8:05 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:Maybe it's to motivate him? Like, look, Lamb hasn't played very well but he's in shape. You're not in shape, you don't get a contract.

That'd be awesome if players and the coach weren't all happy with PJ's offseason and training camp :roll:

This is really just bad business. If PJ happens to breakout, he's not restricted. If Lamb decides to get pick up a drug problem, we already cashed out.

How hard is it to wait until you need to make a real, informed decision? Logic is lost on Cho

GoBobs · Post #1092 » by **GoBobs** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 8:35 am

The PJ Hairston - 2.79 Per, 16% on 4 3pt attempts per game, bad Lance Stephenson from last year impersonation thread

Snidely FC · Post #1093 » by **Snidely FC** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 1:28 pm

I find the move to not extend a player in the starting five for $1 mln incredibly perplexing.

Is there any possibility they have an agreement to extend him next summer already in place?

HornetJail · Post #1094 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 2:38 pm

10 bucks says that if we hold on to him,he'll be with our D-League affiliate next summer

ChokeFasncists · Post #1095 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:14 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Maybe it's to motivate him? Like, look, Lamb hasn't played very well but he's in shape. You're not in shape, you don't get a contract.

That'd be awesome if players and the coach weren't all happy with PJ's offseason and training camp

This is really just bad business. If PJ happens to breakout, he's not restricted. If Lamb decides to get pick up a drug problem, we already cashed out.

How hard is it to wait until you need to make a real, informed decision? Logic is lost on Cho

Well, if he decides to lose 13 pounds only right before the decision and he's still overweight it's not that good.

Lamb is the guy they want and think he has shown good talent, so they sign him. PJ they don't think has gotten it together, so they leave valuable cap space to make a splash in the summer.

Cheeze · Post #1096 » by **Cheeze** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:50 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if MasterIchiro's first post of 4 above is at least partially correct.

I also think that Cliff is doing exactly what he talked about in the recent article about him. He's trying to find the best thing for the team. Right now that's PJ taking MKG's defensive stopper role and starting. It's working OK, and gives PJ motivation knowing that he still has an opportunity to play himself into a future in the league.

Cho is doing what he thinks is best for the team in the mid to long run. MKG will be back next year and PJ doesn't fit for whatever reason ... and we may never know. It could be the poor shooting, lack of BBIQ, the whole fake agent thing, substance issues, or really anything.

Personally I'm OK with both PJ starting (for now) and him not being extended.

I agree with Vandy's point about this being a longer term move by Cho. The contract is cheap, but that's not the point. PJ has the talent but not the head and that's the bottom line here. Cliff may be able to use him in a limited role as a focused defender, but put a scoring responsibility on him and it all falls apart. This is the NBA...best, most skilled players in the world. It's not for kids who have trouble with on-court concepts and off-court issues.

Declining the option means nothing in the grand scheme, except that it allows for some cap flexibility this summer. If PJ lights it up, then the Hornets benefit this season and his pocketbook will be fatter somewhere else. If Hairston continues to struggle, then he's not worth the guarantee and the roster spot. I think that's the determination Cho came to and I agree.

Post #1097 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:57 pm

I can see some of these points, but declining PJ doesn't allow for any significant cap flexibility. We're going to need to fill a roster spot either way, so we're probably only talking like $750K saved here.

Cheeze · Post #1098 » by **Cheeze** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:27 pm

Agreed that it's not a lot of savings. But I don't think that's the point. Cho's decided to move on, to regain the roster spot, and I agree with him. I simply think the front office has decided that PJ is really a D-leaguer and not worth a guarantee. Steve's starting him for defense, but I don't think PJ's future is in the league.

Now if he could shoot...

Post #1099 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:34 pm

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 54s55 seconds ago
Cho (re. not picking up Hairston option) says he told P.J. and his agent he needs to be more consistent on and off the court.

chabber · Post #1100 » by **chabber** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:41 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if MasterIchiro's first post of 4 above is at least partially correct.

I also think that Cliff is doing exactly what he talked about in the recent article about him. He's trying to find the best thing for the team. Right now that's PJ taking MKG's defensive stopper role and starting. It's working OK, and gives PJ motivation knowing that he still has an opportunity to play himself into a future in the league.

Cho is doing what he thinks is best for the team in the mid to long run. MKG will be back next year and PJ doesn't fit for whatever reason ... and we may never know. It could be the poor shooting, lack of BBIQ, the whole fake agent thing, substance issues, or really anything.

Personally I'm OK with both PJ starting (for now) and him not being extended.

Good post. Others jumping to theories of riffs between Cliff and Cho over not extending PJ Hairston is quite mindboggling.

In all fairness, PJ is lucky to be on an NBA roster with the body of work he has put forth. While it's not a lot of money, extending him any further in all likely hood is not worth even the roster spot he takes up.

As for Cliff, he's doing what he said he would and that's talking him up trying to build up his confidence and give him limited minutes.

I don't necessarily agree. I think Marvin at 3 and Kaminsky at 4 would be more beneficial to the starting unit while keeping Cliff's preferred backups in tact, but at the moment I'm ok with this experiment.