Always losing the big game

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

Has anyone noticed just how bad this team plays in every big game since the McCarthy, Ted Thompson era started?

Mike McCarthy gets out coached in every big game period. His game plans are always god awful and he isn't able to make half time adjustments to get it right. Anyone wonder why he just let time run out at the end of the first half against Denver Sunday?

If Mike McCarthy had an average QB (say someone like Philip Rivers) his coaching record would be well below .500. The incredible play from both Favre and Rodgers is the only reason this team was quite successful during the regular season. Then comes the playoffs and the big games. To me it's almost a sin what McCarthy has done in the Playoffs. 7-6 are you kidding me. He has had arguably the best QB in the league each here he coached here and he has a 7-6 record in the Playoffs? What makes anyone think that will ever change? In my opinion 10 Years, one Superbowl win with talent he has had to coach is beyond bad. The year we won the Super Bowl we should not have even been in the playoffs with our 9-7 record. By some miracle, the Giants punter punted the ball to Deswan Jackson on the last play of the game and he ran it back for a TD and we got in. Rodgers got hot and carried us to a Super Bowl victory. It had zero to do with McCarthy making good coaching decisions.

Green Bay is Title USA. However now it seems to acceptable just making it to the playoffs and losing and missing out on the Big Game. People seem satisfied with that now. Why? It was unacceptable when the teams of old put Green Bay on the map and it still should be especially with the Talented QB's we have had.

Ted Thompson is the other Joker in this mess. He is as much as fault as McCarthy. Every season the Packers go into a season with some well known deficiencies. This year we had 4 areas of concern, WR, TE, Defensive Secondary and Pass Rush. So what did this super genius do? Added more young players. This idiot absolutely refuses to add the proper mix of veterans and young players to take us to the next level. We should have added another experienced wide out or TE in the off season. There were plenty available. Nope we only did that after Jordy went down and look what a mess it has caused. Defense it is even more glaring. Our secondary has no one coming off the bench with any real experience. This does not work if you wan to win Super Bowl games. Defense is always the key to winning Championships. This team's defense got killed the past two weeks when facing competent offenses. As for pass rush, its obvious that Julius Peppers is to old to log the amount of plays he does. He is a great guy and using him on pass downs only would be much more productive. Still because of his age Green Bay should have added another proven pass rusher. Did they? No.

Every year Thompson does the same. So many missed opportunities over the Years, Jarred Allen, Randy Moss, Tony Gonzalez and list goes on. This egotistical maniac does the exact opposite of popular sentiment for improving the team or filling holes when they are so obvious. Instead he keeps filling gaping wholes with rookies. There is nothing wrong with being a great drafter but Super Bowl Champion teams have a more even balance between experienced veterans and young players. I believe this is no accident. If starters get hurt we have to have to go to rookies almost exclusively. When we lose big games like today, these idiots Thompson can always fall back on the injury excuse. New England has had it share of injuries and players going a wall yet because they always have the right mix of young players and veterans and they have a real good coach.

In my opinion it is time to go in a new direction. 10 seasons of disappointments is enough for me. Get ready to be disappointed again as the best this team can achieve is maybe the Conference Title Game which for sure result in McCarthy getting out coached yet again. Its to time to say goodbye to these idiots!

[WiscoKing13]

I just don't know where to even begin, you do realize we won a superbowl and are in the playoffs every year? Hell looks at what happened in SF after harbough left. The organization needs to improve, but we're not direction now.

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

I just don't know where to even begin, you do realize we won a superbowl and are in the playoffs every year? Hell looks at what happened in SF after harbough left. The organization needs to improve, but we're not direction now.

SF did not have Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers and they won as many Super Bowls as we did during that 10 period of time. Ask Aaron Rodgers how I feels about it. Privately I am sure he would share this same frustration.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll take hyperbolic overreaction based on one road game against an undefeated team for $300 Alex.

And what will the narrative be when we go into Carolina and beat either a 7-0 or 6-1 Panthers team? That they're really not that good and Cam is overrated?

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

I'll take hyperbolic overreaction based on one road game against an undefeated team for $300 Alex.

And what will the narrative be when we go into Carolina and beat either a 7-0 or 6-1 Panthers team? That they're really not that good and Cam is overrated?

You are missing my point friend. The big picture is winning the big game. Two undefeated teams on prime time TV is the big game. Playoff games are big games. Now that we have a loss the Carolina Game is no longer as big of a game as it could have been. Yes it may have home field advantage implications but will no longer be as big of a game as yesterday's debacle. Are you of the belief that McCarthy had this team ready to play with a competent game plan?

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

I'll take hyperbolic overreaction based on one road game against an undefeated team for $300 Alex.

And what will the narrative be when we go into Carolina and beat either a 7-0 or 6-1 Panthers team? That they're really not that good and Cam is overrated?

FYI this opinion has been building over the many years of losing the big game because of an idiot coach and GM who does not address areas of need in the off season.

[Ron Swanson]

I'll take hyperbolic overreaction based on one road game against an undefeated team for $300 Alex.

And what will the narrative be when we go into Carolina and beat either a 7-0 or 6-1 Panthers team? That they're really not that good and Cam is overrated?

You are missing my point friend. The big picture is winning the big game. Two undefeated teams on prime time TV is the big game. Playoff games are big games. Now that we have a loss the Carolina Game is no longer as big of a game as it could have been. Yes it may have home field advantage implications but will no longer be as big of a game as yesterday's debacle. Are you of the belief that McCarthy had this team ready to play with a competent game plan?

Oh, now I get it. You're just a troll.

[Iheartfootball]

It's threads like this that make me question my fandom. And the sanity of the human race.

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

It's threads like this that make me question my fandom. And the sanity of the human race.

It's fun to see who can come up with the most quirky statement. I get all of that. However, facts are facts. There is 10 years worth evidence that this trend will continue. What happens when Rodgers is gone? To think we will get that Lucky and have a third Hall of Fame QB pick up where Favre and Rodgers left off is wishful thinking. We still have Rodgers in his prime. It is time to think about making the best of that opportunity and that will not happen with these two idiots in charge.

Others teams, like the Broncos, Golden State Warriors, etc who made changes because they wanted to the ultimate prize even though they were already making the playoffs on a regular basis. No reason the Packers can't as well. 10 years is a long time.

[jakecronus8]

While I disagree with the OP's general opinion, it's worth noting that Green Bay has not defeated a playoff team on the road since October of '12.

[Flames24Rulz]

I guess we're just going to forget that Patriots game last year. And the Seahawks are probably still going to win 10 games this year, so that was a pretty damn good win too.

[chuckleslove]

While I disagree with the OP's general opinion, it's worth noting that Green Bay has not defeated a playoff team on the road since October of '12.

What is the sample size on that? I'm guessing very small and I am guessing the league record against playoff teams on the road is pretty bad. It is not all that uncommon for the top few playoff teams to be 8-0 at home so this doesn't really concern me that much. That said next week is huge since this stat shows the importance of having home field games in the playoffs.

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

I guess we're just going to forget that Patriots game last year. And the Seahawks are probably still going to win 10 games this year, so that was a pretty damn good win too.

Off course there ares some big wins here and there. However in each of those victories, the play of Aaron Rodgers and his will to make us win was the main reason we won. In order to take a bigger step forward, we need a coach who makes us better not worse. We need a GM who is flexible in filling team needs in the off season. You cannot have a bunch of inexperienced rookies in your secondary if one or more of your starters goes down. Most rookies in the secondary really do not come into there own as far as effectiveness until their 3 rd season and it showed against Denver, but because of Thompson's stubbornness to have a couple of experienced backups in our secondary we got killed. This is a passing league now and having inexperienced back ups in your secondary is a recipe for disaster and a gm with number of years experience as he has should know better. My argument is that he does know better but her prefers to walk to the beat of his own drummer no matter what the result.

[HKPackFan]

I guess we're just going to forget that Patriots game last year. And the Seahawks are probably still going to win 10 games this year, so that was a pretty damn good win too.

Off course there ares some big wins here and there. However in each of those victories, the play of Aaron Rodgers and his will to make us win was the main reason we won. In order to take a bigger step forward, we need a coach who makes us better not worse. We need a GM who is flexible in filling team needs in the off season. You cannot have a bunch of inexperienced rookies in your secondary if one or more of your starters goes down. Most rookies in the secondary really do not come into there own as far as effectiveness until their 3 rd season and it showed against Denver, but because of Thompson's stubbornness to have a couple of experienced backups in our secondary we got killed. This is a passing league now and having inexperienced back ups in your secondary is a recipe for disaster and a gm with number of years experience as he has should know better. My argument is that he does know better but her prefers to walk to the beat of his own drummer no matter what the result.

Who are the rookies you keep complaining about in the secondary? You said secondary players come into their own in their 3rd season,well Micah Hyde looked like the worst player in the secondary and he's in his 3rd year! Casey Hawyard looked equally bad or arguably worse and he's a 4th year player. While the ACTUAL rookie Randall gave up some completions and didn't have his best game, he looked the best of the bunch and was the ONLY PLAYER in the game with an INT.

In general I'd love to bring in a few vets and not solely rely on rookies as a general statement, but I'm not going to blame TT one bit for bringing in Randall and Rollins. Tramon Williams was getting old and got WAAAY too much money, and Davon House way mediocre and fragile and again got WAAAY too much money. I'm happy TT didn't pay them stupid money, and I think Randall is the ALREADY the 2nd best corner on the team, and Rollins is getting better everyday has 2 INTs and a pick 6. Rollins can't be blamed for secondary woes was hurt early in the Denver game.


We don't go to the free agent well that often, but don't forget TT did bring in Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett to be the solid foundation for the SuperBowl Win that somehow didn't count? We got a superbowl and we brought in 2 key free agents, both were former #1 picks.

And now recently we've brought in guys like Guion, Peppers. In terms of pass rushers, how many pass rushers can you pay? Peppers and Mathews high ticket pass rushers, then we have Daniels, Mike Neal, Nick Perry. How are we going to pay all those guys and pay a 3rd over priced pass rusher as well? The Packers are not going to destroy their cap. Free Agents aren't cheap. Look how Cleveland overspent crazy money to bring in an old wrong side of 30 Tramon Williams. They paid him double what he was worth IMO.

I'm not a capologist but a quick google search says Peppers has a $12 Million cap hit, and Matthews has a $12.7 Million cap hit this year. That's almost $25 million in cap space invested in pass rushing THIS YEAR. How can we afford to bring in another 3rd premiere pass rusher for another 10-20 million cap hit FOR SEVERAL YEARS??? (Last I checked most BIG NAME free agents are not interested in 1 year contracts, teams are stuck with those guys whether they excel or flop). Then don't forget we have to pay Daniels, Raji, Mike Neal, Nick Perry next year. We can't lose ALL FOUR, at least need to pay Daniels or Raji.

With the amount of money already invested in pass rushing I don't understand how you can invest more? I'm happy we have a TT that can scour the UDFA market and find a Jayrone Elliott, or a Sam Shields and find young raw talent that everyone missed and can be molded into starters. That UDFA rookie Sam Shields helped us on our March to the Superbowl if you don't remember. A game sealing INT, 1 of 2 in the NFC Championship. Along the way another rookie named James Starks was a key part of the running game in the post season. The Packers are one of those teams that is able to get production out of our their rookies in key spots.

Again, I don't mind adding a veteran in certain positions, I wish we could bring in a decent ILB and a TE. I've had an unnatural hatred for Brad Jones for years and I've not been confident with Sam Barrington nor Palmer as the answers. But this team has invested in the secondary, pass rush, and the WR position. 3 positions that you said were of desperate need, they did heavily invest in all 3. We have 25 million invested in the pass rush for 2015, 80 million (4yrs) recently handed out to TWO PRO-BOWL WR's in Cobb and Jordy along with several high round draft picks: 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round (not including Janis). We gave Burnett and Shields decent free agent money and we recently invested 2 first round picks (HHCD, Randall) and a second round pick (Rollins) to round out our secondary. It's not like they've been ignoring these positions at all (3 of our top 4 picks in the last 2 drafts are secondary!!! ).


In terms of big games I'd say the Patriots and Cowboys games were pretty big victories last year. And regarding our road record, even Seattle last year struggled on the road until finally December rolled around and they were still able to get to the superbowl.

Finally regarding our road record IN BIG GAMES, I'd say beating the eagles in Phillly, destroying ATLANTA in Georgia, and beating Chicago IN Chicago for the NFC Championship are all PRETTY BIG win or go home road wins that cannot be erased from MM or TT's resume.

[FAH1223]

We were 10-6 in the Super Bowl year and had to beat the Giants and Bears to get in. Yes, Desean Jackson helped us but the Pack still had to basically win two playoff games to get a wild card spot.

Rodgers also played like crap in the NFCCG. The defense made big play after big play during the entire run.

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

I guess we're just going to forget that Patriots game last year. And the Seahawks are probably still going to win 10 games this year, so that was a pretty damn good win too.

Off course there ares some big wins here and there. However in each of those victories, the play of Aaron Rodgers and his will to make us win was the main reason we won. In order to take a bigger step forward, we need a coach who makes us better not worse. We need a GM who is flexible in filling team needs in the off season. You cannot have a bunch of inexperienced rookies in your secondary if one or more of your starters goes down. Most rookies in the secondary really do not come into there own as far as effectiveness until their 3 rd season and it showed against Denver, but because of Thompson's stubbornness to have a couple of experienced backups in our secondary we got killed. This is a passing league now and having inexperienced back ups in your secondary is a recipe for disaster and a gm with number of years experience as he has should know better. My argument is that he does know better but her prefers to walk to the beat of his own drummer no matter what the result.

Who are the rookies you keep complaining about in the secondary? You said secondary players come into their own in their 3rd season,well Micah Hyde looked like the worst player in the secondary and he's in his 3rd year! Casey Hawyard looked equally bad or arguably worse and he's a 4th year player. While the ACTUAL rookie Randall gave up some completions and didn't have his best game, he looked the best of the bunch and was the ONLY PLAYER in the game with an INT.

In general I'd love to bring in a few vets and not solely rely on rookies as a general statement, but I'm not going to blame TT one bit for bringing in Randall and Rollins. Tramon Williams was getting old and got WAAAY too much money, and Davon House way mediocre and fragile and again got WAAAY too much money. I'm happy TT didn't pay them stupid money, and I think Randall is the ALREADY the 2nd best corner on the team, and Rollins is getting better everyday has 2 INTs and a pick 6. Rollins can't be blamed for secondary woes was hurt early in the Denver game.


We don't go to the free agent well that often, but don't forget TT did bring in Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett to be the solid foundation for the SuperBowl Win that somehow didn't count? We got a superbowl and we brought in 2 key free agents, both were former #1 picks.

And now recently we've brought in guys like Guion, Peppers. In terms of pass rushers, how many pass rushers can you pay? Peppers and Mathews high ticket pass rushers, then we have Daniels, Mike Neal, Nick Perry. How are we going to pay all those guys and pay a 3rd over priced pass rusher as well? The Packers are not going to destroy their cap. Free Agents aren't cheap. Look how Cleveland overspent crazy money to bring in an old wrong side of 30 Tramon Williams. They paid him double what he was worth IMO.

I'm not a capologist but a quick google search says Peppers has a $12 Million cap hit, and Matthews has a $12.7 Million cap hit this year. That's almost $25 million in cap space invested in pass rushing THIS YEAR. How can we afford to bring in another 3rd premiere pass rusher for another 10-20 million cap hit FOR SEVERAL YEARS??? (Last I checked most BIG NAME free agents are not interested in 1 year contracts, teams are stuck with those guys whether they excel or flop). Then don't forget we have to pay Daniels, Raji, Mike Neal, Nick Perry next year. We can't lose ALL FOUR, at least need to pay Daniels or Raji.

With the amount of money already invested in pass rushing I don't understand how you can invest more? I'm happy we have a TT that can scour the UDFA market and find a Jayrone Elliott, or a Sam Shields and find young raw talent that everyone missed and can be molded into starters. That UDFA rookie Sam Shields helped us on our March to the Superbowl if you don't remember. A game sealing INT, 1 of 2 in the NFC Championship. Along the way another rookie named James Starks was a key part of the running game in the post season. The Packers are one of those teams that is able to get production out of our their rookies in key spots.

Again, I don't mind adding a veteran in certain positions, I wish we could bring in a decent ILB and a TE. I've had an unnatural hatred for Brad Jones for years and I've not been confident with Sam Barrington nor Palmer as the answers. But this team has invested in the secondary, pass rush, and the WR position. 3 positions that you said were of desperate need, they did heavily invest in all 3. We have 25 million invested in the pass rush for 2015, 80 million (4yrs) recently handed out to TWO PRO-BOWL WR's in Cobb and Jordy along with several high round draft picks: 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round (not including Janis). We gave Burnett and Shields decent free agent money and we recently invested 2 first round picks (HHCD, Randall) and a second round pick (Rollins) to round out our secondary. It's not like they've been ignoring these positions at all (3 of our top 4 picks in the last 2 drafts are secondary!!! ).


In terms of big games I'd say the Patriots and Cowboys games were pretty big victories last year. And regarding our road record, even Seattle last year struggled on the road until finally December rolled around and they were still able to get to the superbowl.

Finally regarding our road record IN BIG GAMES, I'd say beating the eagles in Phillly, destroying ATLANTA in Georgia, and beating Chicago IN Chicago for the NFC Championship are all PRETTY BIG win or go home road wins that cannot be erased from MM or TT's resume.

There are 3 times as many big losses than wins in those big games. The most remarkable being the loss to Kansas City when we were on our way to making history and being undefeated. We are the first team in history to go 15=1 and not make the Super Bowl.

You said 12.5 Million for Peppers? A guy who should be playing less than 1/2 of the snaps. That's Crazy. I can count maybe a 1/2 dozen of signings of noteworthy free agents in Thompson's more than 10 year tenure. That speaks volumes by it's self. Those rookies you speak of might be good someday in our secondary but they are not good enough now to help this team get to the Super Bowl. So hence another wasted year. I guess there is always next year right? As for the Cap management. Thompson has actually had us under the cap on more than 4 different seasons. One year he left nearly 2 million on the table. Why would anyone trying to win a Super Bowl do that? It is not like Packers are in some kids of financial trouble.

The fact is Thompson is a terrible GM. The only thing I will give him credit for is that he drafts quite well. We would be better served if he was the Director of Scouting and nothing more. Also because McCarthy and him are forever joined at the hip because of the whole Favre incident he cant even make a coaching change if he wanted to because otherwise the truth might come out. Everyone who reads this board knows its true the McCarthy gets out coached in EVERY BIG GAME. He makes coaching mistakes that would get other coaches fired. But as long as Thompson is here, he will never get fired. So if you enjoy that disappointment every year of NOT going to the Super Bowl then keep supporting these idiots.

[LikeABosh]

We're on to Carolina.

[Xanadu]

Off course there ares some big wins here and there. However in each of those victories, the play of Aaron Rodgers and his will to make us win was the main reason we won. In order to take a bigger step forward, we need a coach who makes us better not worse. We need a GM who is flexible in filling team needs in the off season. You cannot have a bunch of inexperienced rookies in your secondary if one or more of your starters goes down. Most rookies in the secondary really do not come into there own as far as effectiveness until their 3 rd season and it showed against Denver, but because of Thompson's stubbornness to have a couple of experienced backups in our secondary we got killed. This is a passing league now and having inexperienced back ups in your secondary is a recipe for disaster and a gm with number of years experience as he has should know better. My argument is that he does know better but her prefers to walk to the beat of his own drummer no matter what the result.

Who are the rookies you keep complaining about in the secondary? You said secondary players come into their own in their 3rd season,well Micah Hyde looked like the worst player in the secondary and he's in his 3rd year! Casey Hawyard looked equally bad or arguably worse and he's a 4th year player. While the ACTUAL rookie Randall gave up some completions and didn't have his best game, he looked the best of the bunch and was the ONLY PLAYER in the game with an INT.

In general I'd love to bring in a few vets and not solely rely on rookies as a general statement, but I'm not going to blame TT one bit for bringing in Randall and Rollins. Tramon Williams was getting old and got WAAAY too much money, and Davon House way mediocre and fragile and again got WAAAY too much money. I'm happy TT didn't pay them stupid money, and I think Randall is the ALREADY the 2nd best corner on the team, and Rollins is getting better everyday has 2 INTs and a pick 6. Rollins can't be blamed for secondary woes was hurt early in the Denver game.


We don't go to the free agent well that often, but don't forget TT did bring in Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett to be the solid foundation for the SuperBowl Win that somehow didn't count? We got a superbowl and we brought in 2 key free agents, both were former #1 picks.

And now recently we've brought in guys like Guion, Peppers. In terms of pass rushers, how many pass rushers can you pay? Peppers and Mathews high ticket pass rushers, then we have Daniels, Mike Neal, Nick Perry. How are we going to pay all those guys and pay a 3rd over priced pass rusher as well? The Packers are not going to destroy their cap. Free Agents aren't cheap. Look how Cleveland overspent crazy money to bring in an old wrong side of 30 Tramon Williams. They paid him double what he was worth IMO.

I'm not a capologist but a quick google search says Peppers has a $12 Million cap hit, and Matthews has a $12.7 Million cap hit this year. That's almost $25 million in cap space invested in pass rushing THIS YEAR. How can we afford to bring in another 3rd premiere pass rusher for another 10-20 million cap hit FOR SEVERAL YEARS??? (Last I checked most BIG NAME free agents are not interested in 1 year contracts, teams are stuck with those guys whether they excel or flop). Then don't forget we have to pay Daniels, Raji, Mike Neal, Nick Perry next year. We can't lose ALL FOUR, at least need to pay Daniels or Raji.

With the amount of money already invested in pass rushing I don't understand how you can invest more? I'm happy we have a TT that can scour the UDFA market and find a Jayrone Elliott, or a Sam Shields and find young raw talent that everyone missed and can be molded into starters. That UDFA rookie Sam Shields helped us on our March to the Superbowl if you don't remember. A game sealing INT, 1 of 2 in the NFC Championship. Along the way another rookie named James Starks was a key part of the running game in the post season. The Packers are one of those teams that is able to get production out of our their rookies in key spots.

Again, I don't mind adding a veteran in certain positions, I wish we could bring in a decent ILB and a TE. I've had an unnatural hatred for Brad Jones for years and I've not been confident with Sam Barrington nor Palmer as the answers. But this team has invested in the secondary, pass rush, and the WR position. 3 positions that you said were of desperate need, they did heavily invest in all 3. We have 25 million invested in the pass rush for 2015, 80 million (4yrs) recently handed out to TWO PRO-BOWL WR's in Cobb and Jordy along with several high round draft picks: 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round (not including Janis). We gave Burnett and Shields decent free agent money and we recently invested 2 first round picks (HHCD, Randall) and a second round pick (Rollins) to round out our secondary. It's not like they've been ignoring these positions at all (3 of our top 4 picks in the last 2 drafts are secondary!!! ).


In terms of big games I'd say the Patriots and Cowboys games were pretty big victories last year. And regarding our road record, even Seattle last year struggled on the road until finally December rolled around and they were still able to get to the superbowl.

Finally regarding our road record IN BIG GAMES, I'd say beating the eagles in Phillly, destroying ATLANTA in Georgia, and beating Chicago IN Chicago for the NFC Championship are all PRETTY BIG win or go home road wins that cannot be erased from MM or TT's resume.

There are 3 times as many big losses than wins in those big games. The most remarkable being the loss to Kansas City when we were on our way to making history and being undefeated. We are the first team in history to go 15=1 and not make the Super Bowl.

You said 12.5 Million for Peppers? A guy who should be playing less than 1/2 of the snaps. That's Crazy. I can count maybe a 1/2 dozen of signings of noteworthy free agents in Thompson's more than 10 year tenure. That speaks volumes by it's self. Those rookies you speak of might be good someday in our secondary but they are not good enough now to help this team get to the Super Bowl. So hence another wasted year. I guess there is always next year right? As for the Cap management. Thompson has actually had us under the cap on more than 4 different seasons. One year he left nearly 2 million on the table. Why would anyone trying to win a Super Bowl do that? It is not like Packers are in some kids of financial trouble.

The fact is Thompson is a terrible GM. The only thing I will give him credit for is that he drafts quite well. We would be better served if he was the Director of Scouting and nothing more. Also because McCarthy and him are forever joined at the hip because of the whole Favre incident he cant even make a coaching change if he wanted to because otherwise the truth might come out. Everyone who reads this board knows its true the McCarthy gets out coached in EVERY BIG GAME. He makes coaching mistakes that would get other coaches fired. But as long as Thompson is here, he will never get fired. So if you enjoy that disappointment every year of NOT going to the Super Bowl then keep supporting these idiots.

Just for fun who would you bring and who currently is better at their jobs then these 2. I think its Belichick and then you could make a argument against every other guy out there right now. Its not like your getting Bill either so realistically who would you replace them with. Long term success is important do I wish they Ted would make a shortsighted move once and while to try and put us over the top sure but you can't argue with his overall success of putting talent on the field.

[rilamann]

It's not that the Packers simply lose big games/playoff games,it's HOW they lose.

That's always been my thing and remains my thing after last Sunday vs the Broncos.No one expects the Packers to go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl every season.

But the ''didn't show up'' or choking narrative is always there when the Packers play a good team on the road or play a playoff game.

The Packers played a good team on the road last Sunday and surprise surprise they didn't show up.

It's old news.

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

It's not that the Packers simply lose big games/playoff games,it's HOW they lose.

That's always been my thing and remains my thing after last Sunday vs the Broncos.No one expects the Packers to go 16-0 and win the Super Bowl every season.

But the ''didn't show up'' or choking narrative is always there when the Packers play a good team on the road or play a playoff game.

The Packers played a good team on the road last Sunday and surprise surprise they didn't show up.

It's old news.

It is old news I agree. However, who is to blame? It has to be the head coach. He is responsible to make sure the team is ready to play and has a good game plan for victory. In these cases McCarthy has failed over and over and over. It is time to go into a new direction period.