Team declined Solo's option

chube · Post #1 » by **chube** » Mon Nov 2, 2015 9:14 pm

Per PBT, the team declined Solo's option for next year today. Thought they'd keep him, even despite the glut of wings now on the roster since his cap number will be so low (no pun intended) with the cap spike.

Thoughts on this?

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GrandBasterd · Post #2 » by **GrandBasterd** » Mon Nov 2, 2015 9:40 pm

Glenn Robinson has been better. Shooting the 3 ball much better.

Post #3 » by **boomershadow** » Mon Nov 2, 2015 11:30 pm

Not unexpected, seeing that he has fallen from a starter for much of the year last year to being passed over for backup sf minutes in favor of Budinger.

Post #4 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon Nov 2, 2015 11:41 pm

I've been a supporter of Solo, so I don't like it anyways, but who are we supposed to get that's better for 2 mil? I know that it gets us to (possibly) around 30 mil in space next offseason, but we aren't signing a max guy, at least not a 30 mil max guy.

Shumpert just got 9 mil shooting 1% better on the same attempts and being a comparable defender while on a team where he could focus on his strengths.

And to not even give him a shot in the first few games before the deadline is dumb. Unless there was something going on behind the scenes, I hate this move.

Wizop · Post #5 » by **Wizop** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 12:25 am

Don't see how three games could have told us anything new.

Post #6 » by **pacers33granger** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 1:42 am

Wizop wrote:Don't see how three games could have told us anything new.

It could give a bit better idea of how he would possibly do in a role that is suited for him. He didn't play his rookie year and played on a broken down roster in his second year without numerous key pieces throughout the season. Sure a couple games wouldn't give you enough information to know that it would work for him, but I don't think he ever got a fair shot.

He played about as good as you could expect given the situation in his one year of getting time. And then he plays poorly in SL as a main guy. I'm sure Tony Allen would look like crap as a main guy even on a SL team as well. It is just not Solo's game and what he was asked to do last season wasn't either. And even in that situation, he showed flashes of NBA level skills. Really he has showed more than a lot of mid to late first round picks ever do imo.

Post #7 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:57 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
Wizop wrote:Don't see how three games could have told us anything new.

It could give a bit better idea of how he would possibly do in a role that is suited for him. He didn't play his rookie year and played on a broken down roster in his second year without numerous key pieces throughout the season. Sure a couple games wouldn't give you enough information to know that it would work for him, but I don't think he ever got a fair shot.

He played about as good as you could expect given the situation in his one year of getting time. And then he plays poorly in SL as a main guy. I'm sure Tony Allen would look like crap as a main guy even on a SL team as well. It is just not Solo's game and what he was asked to do last season wasn't either. And even in that situation, he showed flashes of NBA level skills. Really he has showed more than a lot of mid to late first round picks ever do imo.

I imagine there may be more. Not only did he play poorly in SL, but he got sent back to Indy before SL was over, and not just for "injury treatment". Part of me wonders if he just wasn't putting in the work, and Bird is a bit fed up with it.

Ultimately, I think GR3 took his spot as the developmental wing.

8305 · Post #8 » by **8305** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 6:33 pm

Guys like Solo just aren't that hard to find. There are probably half a dozen guys in the D-League right now and another 10-20 playing in college.

Post #9 » by **pacers33granger** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 7:05 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
Wizop wrote:Don't see how three games could have told us anything new.

It could give a bit better idea of how he would possibly do in a role that is suited for him. He didn't play his rookie year and played on a broken down roster in his second year without numerous key pieces throughout the season. Sure a couple games wouldn't give you enough information to know that it would work for him, but I don't think he ever got a fair shot.

He played about as good as you could expect given the situation in his one year of getting time. And then he plays poorly in SL as a main guy. I'm sure Tony Allen would look like crap as a main guy even on a SL team as well. It is just not Solo's game and what he was asked to do last season wasn't either. And even in that situation, he showed flashes of NBA level skills. Really he has showed more than a lot of mid to late first round picks ever do imo.

I imagine there may be more. Not only did he play poorly in SL, but he got sent back to Indy before SL was over, and not just for "injury treatment". Part of me wonders if he just wasn't putting in the work, and Bird is a bit fed up with it.

Ultimately, I think GR3 took his spot as the developmental wing.

I remember it as him going back to Indy because he was likely planning to only play 3 games anyways at the start of SL, though I could be wrong. And the coaching staff seemed to recognize that he put in work during the offseason, plus Solo himself stated he wanted to play in SL to help the young guys adjust.

Though I agree it just looks like GRIII took the spot, but why can't we have two developmental wings? They play totally different games.

Moooose · Post #10 » by **Moooose** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 8:12 pm

This is not surprising at all, given how the coaches wanted to run the system. Solo is a good defensive guy we can play alongside Paul but we are banking more on the idea of playing CJ Miles for more offense. In a way I am sad that Solo was not able to prove his worth. But on the other side, I am happy because Glenn Robinson III has a ridiculous upside and maybe we can finetune it like how we did with Lance.

Post #11 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 4:31 am

pacers33granger wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
It could give a bit better idea of how he would possibly do in a role that is suited for him. He didn't play his rookie year and played on a broken down roster in his second year without numerous key pieces throughout the season. Sure a couple games wouldn't give you enough information to know that it would work for him, but I don't think he ever got a fair shot.

He played about as good as you could expect given the situation in his one year of getting time. And then he plays poorly in SL as a main guy. I'm sure Tony Allen would look like crap as a main guy even on a SL team as well. It is just not Solo's game and what he was asked to do last season wasn't either. And even in that situation, he showed flashes of NBA level skills. Really he has showed more than a lot of mid to late first round picks ever do imo.

I imagine there may be more. Not only did he play poorly in SL, but he got sent back to Indy before SL was over, and not just for "injury treatment". Part of me wonders if he just wasn't putting in the work, and Bird is a bit fed up with it.

Ultimately, I think GR3 took his spot as the developmental wing.

I remember it as him going back to Indy because he was likely planning to only play 3 games anyways at the start of SL, though I could be wrong. And the coaching staff seemed to recognize that he put in work during the offseason, plus Solo himself stated he wanted to play in SL to help the young guys adjust.

Though I agree it just looks like GRIII took the spot, but why can't we have two developmental wings? They play totally different games.

Solo was "pulled" from summer league abruptly. There wasn't a pre-announced plan. Bird specifically said that Solo "needed to put the work in, and he didn't do it".

As for 2 developmental wings, well, it's hard. It's hard when both guys are truly developmental, and can't be counted on for more than deep minutes. For that reason, you can really only have one, when they play the same position, unless you have a SF on the roster that would play 36-ish minutes every night and no need for a solid backup.

Post #12 » by **pacers33granger** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:57 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
I imagine there may be more. Not only did he play poorly in SL, but he got sent back to Indy before SL was over, and not just for "injury treatment". Part of me wonders if he just wasn't putting in the work, and Bird is a bit fed up with it.

Ultimately, I think GR3 took his spot as the developmental wing.

I remember it as him going back to Indy because he was likely planning to only play 3 games anyways at the start of SL, though I could be wrong. And the coaching staff seemed to recognize that he put in work during the offseason, plus Solo himself stated he wanted to play in SL to help the young guys adjust.

Though I agree it just looks like GRIII took the spot, but why can't we have two developmental wings? They play totally different games.

Solo was "pulled" from summer league abruptly. There wasn't a pre-announced plan. Bird specifically said that Solo "needed to put the work in, and he didn't do it".

As for 2 developmental wings, well, it's hard. It's hard when both guys are truly developmental, and can't be counted on for more than deep minutes. For that reason, you can really only have one, when they play the same position, unless you have a SF on the roster that would play 36-ish minutes every night and no need for a solid backup.

I never heard of Hill being "pulled," though maybe that's because I don't have the benefit of local info living in New England. I've found this in several articles though and recall it being the case before SL:

Hill isn't expected to play in all five of the Pacers' Summer League games in Orlando. He said on Wednesday that he's tentatively planning to play in the first game (July 4 vs. Miami) and the third contest (July 8 vs. Detroit).

http://www.nba.com/pacers/hill-isnt-taking-summer-off

On the second part, I think we do have a SF who will play 36 minutes a night in PG (I know the PF thing, but he's still primarily playing SF) and Miles plays there as well. Plus my thoughts were to try Solo at PF anyways in our new lineup and GRII was playing SG in preseason. Hell if the plan was to let Solo go anyways, why not tell him to bulk up, study Draymond Green, and work solely on catch and shoot threes, thouhg GRIII came on later in the offseason.

Post #13 » by **boomershadow** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:39 pm

I do like the idea of S. Hill guarding power forwards more than CJ Miles doing it. I will say that.

sterfry94 · Post #14 » by **sterfry94** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 6:42 am

I wonder what his trade value would be so we can at least get something for him.

Post #15 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 2:16 pm

sterfry94 wrote:I wonder what his trade value would be so we can at least get something for him.

Minimal, if anything at all. Essentially, he'd likely be a small "filler" contract used in a trade to make salaries match.

8305 · Post #16 » by **8305** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 3:55 pm

boomershadow wrote:I do like the idea of S. Hill guarding power forwards more than CJ Miles doing it. I will say that.

In a match up with a power forwards what does he give you that Levoy Allen doesn't?

Post #17 » by **boomershadow** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 7:19 pm

8305 wrote:
boomershadow wrote:I do like the idea of S. Hill guarding power forwards more than CJ Miles doing it. I will say that.

In a match up with a power forwards what does he give you that Levoy Allen doesn't?

Paul George playing the 4.

8305 · Post #18 » by **8305** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 9:04 pm

boomershadow wrote:
8305 wrote:
boomershadow wrote:I do like the idea of S. Hill guarding power forwards more than CJ Miles doing it. I will say that.

In a match up with a power forwards what does he give you that Levoy Allen doesn't?

Paul George playing the 4.

I can see where Solo might be able to guard a wider range of players. But if Paul is already guarding someone on the perimeter leaving Solo to defend the 4 I think Levoy is generally a better option. He's a better match defending a bigger player, a superior rebounder and Solo's lack of finishing ability, remarkable shooting range and handle means there is very little that makes him difficult for a bigger slower player to defend.

Post #19 » by **boomershadow** » Fri Nov 6, 2015 12:01 am

8305 wrote:
boomershadow wrote:
8305 wrote:
In a match up with a power forwards what does he give you that Levoy Allen doesn't?

Paul George playing the 4.

I can see where Solo might be able to guard a wider range of players. But if Paul is already guarding someone on the perimeter leaving Solo to defend the 4 I think Levoy is generally a better option. He's a better match defending a bigger player, a superior rebounder and Solo's lack of finishing ability, remarkable shooting range and handle means there is very little that makes him difficult for a bigger slower player to defend.

Defensively, yes... of course you are right. I am saying this specifically in regard to our new "stretch" lineup with PG at the 4.

During the Utah game, in particular, I was noticing the Jazz try to take advantage of us still having PG guarding a perimeter player and CJ Miles guarding the opposing 4. I was speculating that Solomon Hill might have more strength and defensive mindset to guard opposing 4s than CJ Miles does, who isn't necessarily a noteworthy defender and who really is more of a natural shooting guard rather than small forward. Having a stronger defender at the 3 could possibly allow PG in the 4 spot to switch on more screens or even stay on the perimeter more altogether. The point seems moot, however, since in CJ Miles's absence the third string small forward minutes appear to be heading towards GRIII. And given Hill's lackluster performance in summer league of all places and his failure to thrive enough in bigger minutes last year for us to even make the playoffs, I totally get why, as you say, he would be unable to capitalize enough on the mismatch at the 4 on the offensive end to make it worth playing him.

basketballwacko2 · Post #20 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Nov 6, 2015 8:34 am

8305 wrote:
boomershadow wrote:I do like the idea of S. Hill guarding power forwards more than CJ Miles doing it. I will say that.

In a match up with a power forwards what does he give you that Levoy Allen doesn't?

I can't imagine playing Solo at PF, unless he's guarding Green he's way too small. I think they are looking at next seasons team, we have 11 guys under contract for 2016-17. We have a #1 pick and that leaves 3 spots for free agents and a 2nd round pick. So if we want to sign 1 or 2 guys and draft 1 or 2 guys we need 4 roster spots.