Potential Trade Thread

[DRK]

Never too e[u]arly to start talking trades!

I'll get the ball rolling.............

[sunskerr]

Your: Westbrook

My: Conley/Paul George

[DRK]

SUNS Trade

PJ Tucker
Archie Goodwin

MEM Trade

Jeff Green
Future 2nd

Suns get a good sixth man/ starting quality player that play smallball 4 or the 3 spot. Adds a little bit of insurance if Markieff leaves too. We also open up time for Booker and Warren, and allows our bench to be more versatile.


Memphis gain another good wing defender, and a player that can knock down corner threes, and also makes them one of the best perimeter defending teams in the league They also gain a nice young prospect (something their team lacks) in Archie.

PHX
Bledsoe/Price
Knight/Booker
Warren/Green
Kieff/Green/Leuer
Chandler/Len/Mirza

[sunskerr]

SUNS Trade

PJ Tucker
Archie Goodwin

MEM Trade

Jeff Green
Future 2nd

PJ Tucker does feel like an odd man out right now. He might be of some use to a contender which is why I guess you're moving him to Memphis. But I feel Memphis will get their stuff together soon enough. Also, I fear that Jeff Green along with Bledsoe and Knight is a disaster (correct me if I'm wrong: isn't Jeff Green a guy who likes to have the ball in his hands?). What they really need to do is to get a new system (either by firing the coach or whatever) and bring Randolph off the bench. In which case the ideal scenario would seem to be acquiring Tucker without giving up Green. But they probably can't do that anyway.

Conley
Lee
Allen
Green
Gasol

Likewise, I think we ourselves are better off making our peace with Kieff and shipping him off for the best offer we can get (if he isn't genuine about wanting to play here) and starting Leur who showed some flashes last year and continues to do so this year. He might be a real gem. Leur provides much more consistent spacing than Kieff and may also be a better rebounder.

Im sure some team would be willing to part with something half decent for a combination of Markieff and Tucker. Maybe we could give Terrence Ross (now on Toronto's bench) a shot. Something like

Kieff/Tucker for Ross

Then roll out

Bledsoe
Brandon
TJ or Ross
Leur
Chandler

Hmm well I suppose now that I think about it, Ross would conflict with TJ's development. Oh well, that's the best I can come up with. Preferably whomever is coming back in the trade is older than TJ Warren and can shoot the 3 and defend. I like Warren as a prospect a tonne, but right now he needs a 3 point shot. I think that's the most important thing to his success.

[DRK]

I prefer Booker over Ross. Acquiring Ross seems like a pointless move to be honest, especially with his new extension and Bogdan coming over soon.

[sunskerr]

Ross was more of an example of what we could look for in a trade. He certainly is pretty pointless.

It's quite the predicament really. I think it's painfully obvious TJ is better than Tucker but I believe our 3 point shooting would be worse with TJ starting (even if Tucker isn't even that good at 3s).

If there was some way to get value for Kieff/Tucker, I believe it'd be ok to start TJ if that means Leur gets the promotion along with him. We can't even consolidate all the talent and ship the young players off for a star. There aren't any available right now and I think there are several teams which could put together rival packages.

[jeff2020]

If the pacers continue to struggle and Paul George is playing the majority of his minutes at PF and is unhappy I say this...

Suns trade: markieff Morris, Archie Goodwin and Alex Len along with those cavs and heat first round picks we have.

Suns receive: Paul George! We get our superstar who has more of a team first approach on offense so he would fit in with Bledsoe and knight.

Might have to get a 3rd team involved to make the money exactly right.

Lineup:

Bledsoe
Knight
George
Tucker
Chandler

I like going small with tucker at PF. He can space the floor with corner 3s and knight and George can space the floor now as well leaving more room for Bledsoe to slash through the lane. Our front court would be very thin, but getting a superstar comes at a cost and would be more than willing to sacrifice a little depth for this year to acquire Paul George.

[bwgood77]

This is a place to talk about trades that have occurred, or trades you think make sense from both sides. Please try and make the trade ideas as realistic as possible from both sides. Why does it make sense for the other team? Why does it make sense for us? How does it make each team better (or perhaps allow a team likely losing a guy for nothing next offseason, like when we traded Dragic).

I hope we can also see fewer trade proposals for stars who are extremely unlikely to be traded. We've seen ad nauseum trade ideas for Horford, Cousins, Paul George, etc when there is likely a 99% chance these guys are never going anywhere unless they are in the last year of deals and have expressed interest or there is a general feeling they want to leave (like Love being traded..at least that was realistic).

[rsavaj]

SUNS Trade

PJ Tucker
Archie Goodwin

MEM Trade

Jeff Green
Future 2nd

Suns get a good sixth man/ starting quality player that play smallball 4 or the 3 spot. Adds a little bit of insurance if Markieff leaves too. We also open up time for Booker and Warren, and allows our bench to be more versatile.


Memphis gain another good wing defender, and a player that can knock down corner threes, and also makes them one of the best perimeter defending teams in the league They also gain a nice young prospect (something their team lacks) in Archie.

PHX
Bledsoe/Price
Knight/Booker
Warren/Green
Kieff/Green/Leuer
Chandler/Len/Mirza

Jeff Green is on my "chronically disappointing" list. Not like Tucker/Archie are world-beaters but at least Tucker has tangible positive attributes that you can point to(his defense, his hustle). I can't really name one thing that Green consistently does well.

[rsavaj]

If the pacers continue to struggle and Paul George is playing the majority of his minutes at PF and is unhappy I say this...

Suns trade: markieff Morris, Archie Goodwin and Alex Len along with those cavs and heat first round picks we have.

Suns receive: Paul George! We get our superstar who has more of a team first approach on offense so he would fit in with Bledsoe and knight.

Might have to get a 3rd team involved to make the money exactly right.

Lineup:

Bledsoe
Knight
George
Tucker
Chandler

I like going small with tucker at PF. He can space the floor with corner 3s and knight and George can space the floor now as well leaving more room for Bledsoe to slash through the lane. Our front court would be very thin, but getting a superstar comes at a cost and would be more than willing to sacrifice a little depth for this year to acquire Paul George.

Indy would never do it. George is their franchise player. We'd need to give up a heck of a lot to get him.

[jcsunsfan]

If the pacers continue to struggle and Paul George is playing the majority of his minutes at PF and is unhappy I say this...

Suns trade: markieff Morris, Archie Goodwin and Alex Len along with those cavs and heat first round picks we have.

Suns receive: Paul George! We get our superstar who has more of a team first approach on offense so he would fit in with Bledsoe and knight.

Might have to get a 3rd team involved to make the money exactly right.

Lineup:

Bledsoe
Knight
George
Tucker
Chandler

I like going small with tucker at PF. He can space the floor with corner 3s and knight and George can space the floor now as well leaving more room for Bledsoe to slash through the lane. Our front court would be very thin, but getting a superstar comes at a cost and would be more than willing to sacrifice a little depth for this year to acquire Paul George.

Indy would never do it. George is their franchise player. We'd need to give up a heck of a lot to get him.

And thats too much to give up for him. So it wont work either way. I would want to make sure that Paul George is not permanently damaged goods before I make such a trade. He is shooting 35% from the field and a whopping 15% from the three so far this year. He is scoring 17 ppg but that is in 35 minutes. Its probably safe to say that one of the main reasons Indiana is doing bad right now is the poor play of pg.

When you trade for a player, trade for what he is now and will be, not for what he was.

[letsgosuns]

For everyone that is interested in trading for Paul George and offering these crazy proposals of Len, Warren, Goodwin, Booker, 3 first round picks, and whatever else, that will never happen. Besides the fact that George is coming back from a major injury, he is not Lebron or Durant. In addition, when blockbuster trades happen, the team that is trading the player usually never gets back all stars. Look at some of the most recent trades of superstars:


Kevin Love:

August 23, 2014: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins and a trade exception to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded a 2015 1st round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Luc Mbah a Moute and Alexey Shved to the Philadelphia 76ers; and the Philadelphia 76ers traded Thaddeus Young to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Carmelo Anthony:

February 22, 2011: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Denver Nuggets with Renaldo Balkman, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Carter and Shelden Williams to the New York Knicks; the Denver Nuggets traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Kosta Koufos to the Denver Nuggets; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Corey Brewer to the New York Knicks; the New York Knicks traded Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, cash, a 2012 2nd round draft pick (Quincy Miller was later selected), a 2013 2nd round draft pick (Romero Osby was later selected) and a 2014 1st round draft pick to the Denver Nuggets; and the New York Knicks traded Eddy Curry, Anthony Randolph and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Kevin Garnett:

July 31, 2007: Traded by the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Boston Celtics for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 1st round draft pick (Wayne Ellington was later selected) and a 2009 1st round draft pick (Jonny Flynn was later selected).

Ray Allen:

June 28, 2007: Traded by the Seattle SuperSonics with Glen Davis to the Boston Celtics for Jeff Green, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Trent Plaisted was later selected).

Dwight Howard:

August 10, 2012: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Orlando Magic with Earl Clark and Chris Duhon to the Los Angeles Lakers; the Denver Nuggets traded Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, a 2013 2nd round draft pick (Romero Osby was later selected) and a 2014 1st round draft pick to the Orlando Magic; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts and a 2017 1st round draft pick to the Orlando Magic; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Andrew Bynum to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Orlando Magic traded Jason Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Andre Iguodala to the Denver Nuggets; and the Philadelphia 76ers traded Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vucevic and a future 1st round draft pick to the Orlando Magic. Denver will send the lower of its two 2014 first round draft picks to Orlando.


These are just some examples of blockbuster trades. The one I would compare a potential Paul George trade to is the Ray Allen trade. Allen and Davis for Green, Szczerbiak, West, and a second round pick. And look at what those players did for Seattle. Not much of anything. Yet Allen was a superstar shooting guard and won a championship with Boston. In addition, not one of those star players I listed were coming off of the kind of injury George is coming back from. So before you guys think that the Suns need to trade half their team for George, look at some previous trades for superstars and what it took to get those guys.

A trade including Markieff, Tucker, Goodwin, two picks, or one pick and the rights to Bogdan Bogdanovich is more than enough for the Pacers. They immediately get the power foward they are lacking in Markieff and he becomes their go to player. They get Tucker who can start immediately and is much more suited for the Eastern Conference. They get Goodwin who is pure raw talent. Then they get either two picks or one pick and Bogdanovich and those benefits are obvious. I am not interested in giving up Warren, Len, and Booker. No way. The Suns need to keep those guys.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

For everyone that is interested in trading for Paul George and offering these crazy proposals of Len, Warren, Goodwin, Booker, 3 first round picks, and whatever else, that will never happen. Besides the fact that George is coming back from a major injury, he is not Lebron or Durant. In addition, when blockbuster trades happen, the team that is trading the player usually never gets back all stars. Look at some of the most recent trades of superstars:


Kevin Love:

August 23, 2014: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins and a trade exception to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded a 2015 1st round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Luc Mbah a Moute and Alexey Shved to the Philadelphia 76ers; and the Philadelphia 76ers traded Thaddeus Young to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Carmelo Anthony:

February 22, 2011: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Denver Nuggets with Renaldo Balkman, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Carter and Shelden Williams to the New York Knicks; the Denver Nuggets traded a 2015 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Kosta Koufos to the Denver Nuggets; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Corey Brewer to the New York Knicks; the New York Knicks traded Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, cash, a 2012 2nd round draft pick (Quincy Miller was later selected), a 2013 2nd round draft pick (Romero Osby was later selected) and a 2014 1st round draft pick to the Denver Nuggets; and the New York Knicks traded Eddy Curry, Anthony Randolph and cash to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Kevin Garnett:

July 31, 2007: Traded by the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Boston Celtics for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 1st round draft pick (Wayne Ellington was later selected) and a 2009 1st round draft pick (Jonny Flynn was later selected).

Ray Allen:

June 28, 2007: Traded by the Seattle SuperSonics with Glen Davis to the Boston Celtics for Jeff Green, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Trent Plaisted was later selected).

Dwight Howard:

August 10, 2012: As part of a 4-team trade, traded by the Orlando Magic with Earl Clark and Chris Duhon to the Los Angeles Lakers; the Denver Nuggets traded Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, a 2013 2nd round draft pick (Romero Osby was later selected) and a 2014 1st round draft pick to the Orlando Magic; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts and a 2017 1st round draft pick to the Orlando Magic; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Andrew Bynum to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Orlando Magic traded Jason Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Andre Iguodala to the Denver Nuggets; and the Philadelphia 76ers traded Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vucevic and a future 1st round draft pick to the Orlando Magic. Denver will send the lower of its two 2014 first round draft picks to Orlando.


These are just some examples of blockbuster trades. The one I would compare a potential Paul George trade to is the Ray Allen trade. Allen and Davis for Green, Szczerbiak, West, and a second round pick. And look at what those players did for Seattle. Not much of anything. Yet Allen was a superstar shooting guard and won a championship with Boston. In addition, not one of those star players I listed were coming off of the kind of injury George is coming back from. So before you guys think that the Suns need to trade half their team for George, look at some previous trades for superstars and what it took to get those guys.

Some of those teams got pretty good packages like Denver and maybe Orlando, but the key factor in those trades happening was that pretty much all of those stars were in the last year of their deal and was going to leave, so the team basically had to trade them to avoid losing them for nothing....you won't trade a star for another star if that star can leave your team in a few months to a year.

A trade including Markieff, Tucker, Goodwin, two picks, or one pick and the rights to Bogdan Bogdanovich is more than enough for the Pacers. They immediately get the power foward they are lacking in Markieff and he becomes their go to player. They get Tucker who can start immediately and is much more suited for the Eastern Conference. They get Goodwin who is pure raw talent. Then they get either two picks or one pick and Bogdanovich and those benefits are obvious. I am not interested in giving up Warren, Len, and Booker. No way. The Suns need to keep those guys.

No, that's not nearly enough, for a guy they have under contract for three more years. Stars that are under contract for three more years only get traded for other stars.

And to top that off, you are acting like Len and Warren are stars. I'm pretty sure most teams don't view them that way. Not even most of our fans. Sure we are hopeful they will be great players, but even if they were offered for George right now, they would turn it down.

The ONLY way they would accept ANY offer for the Suns is if they knew something about his injury that scared them, but in that case our training staff would likely figure it out and back out of the trade.

[letsgosuns]

Idk how many times I have to say this, Paul George has not yet proven himself to be the level of Lebron, Durant, Curry, Westbrook, or Harden. Seriously, he has made third team all NBA twice and two all star games in the East and is coming off a major injury. All those guys I mentioned like Garnett, Allen, Love, Howard, and Anthony were superstars at their respective positions for years. George has not done that. Now some of those players were going into the last year of their deal and wanted off the team but only Howard left the team he was traded to.

Look at the James Harden trade. He was going into the last year of his deal but was a restricted free agent. OKC just did not want to pay him a max. And look at what they got for him:

October 27, 2012: Traded by the Oklahoma City Thunder with Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward to the Houston Rockets for Jeremy Lamb, Kevin Martin, a 2013 1st round draft pick (Steven Adams was later selected), a future 1st round draft pick and a future 2nd round draft pick.

Martin was terrible and left after one year. Lamb is not on their team anymore. All they have left is Adams who is a good role player and those picks. Meanwhile, Harden is a top five player in the NBA.

Vince Carter was traded during his prime in 2004 for basically nothing. The Suns traded Stephon Marbury in his prime for cap space.

The point is are the Pacers a team on the rise as is with George and no real power forward or should they rebuild. If David West was willing to leave 12 million dollars on the table to get off their team to sign a veterans minimum deal with the Spurs, I would say that is a strong sign that they are not a team on the rise. George has already complained publicly and if they continue to lose, I do not expect it to stop.

Markieff Morris almost won sixth man of the year two years ago. Him and George are about the same exact age. Morris is signed for four more years including this year. If we are talking about trading for like Durant, Harden, or one of those guys, then yeah, throw in Warren. But not for George. That is why I gave the offer I did.

[MrMiyagi]

Not enough evidence to really know what we need on this team. I think our roster, as is, can make the playoffs. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't make a move if something comes along that can really help us out, but barring that, I'd rather just let these guys grow together.

[Qwigglez]

I think if the Pacers were gonna rebuild they would try and send Monte Ellis along with PG. Also, instead of arguing why the Suns don't have anything worth value to try and obtain George, why don't we look at it from another perspective and see what teams could offer a better package.
I'd think maybe the Kings could offer WCS/Gay? Maybe the Jazz shake things up a bit. Realistically I don't see any team having as much to offer as the Suns without either taking a step back or moving laterally in terms of improvement.

[Qwigglez]

With that said, maybe Knight/Len/Warren/PJ/Teletubby and a couple draft picks for PG/Ellis would be a good start of negotiation. Warren could probably start and effectively score 18 a game on the Pacers team. Len could start and average 9 and 9. Knight would be back in the weak East. The trade is still lopsided in our favor obviously.

[letsgosuns]

With that said, maybe Knight/Len/Warren/PJ/Teletubby and a couple draft picks for PG/Ellis would be a good start of negotiation. Warren could probably start and effectively score 18 a game on the Pacers team. Len could start and average 9 and 9. Knight would be back in the weak East. The trade is still lopsided in our favor obviously.

How is that lopsided in the Suns favor? If you think Warren can score 18 a game at an effective rate, then he is already better than Paul George. Right now, George is averaging 17.0 ppg on 35% fg and 15% 3 pts. George's career numbers are 15 ppg on 43% fg and 36% 3pts.

Monta Ellis' teams usually get better after they get rid of him. I would rather have Knight. Then you want to give up Len, Tucker, and Markieff plus two draft picks.

Do you realize that a starting lineup of Knight, Tucker, Warren, Markieff, and Len would probably make the playoffs in the East and may even be a top seed. You are offering an entire starting lineup and two draft picks for a 30 year old undersized shooting guard that most teams would not want and a pretty good small forward. Since when is that worth seven players? You are giving up three players in Knight, Warren, and Markieff that can all average nearly 20 points a game. Len is still a 7'1", 22 year old center that could average a double double in the future. Tucker is whatever. But then you also want to give up draft picks. Are the Suns trading for a 25 year old Michael Jordan here? C'mon. Who do you think Paul George is?

[thamadkant]

Paul George is a couple of rungs higher than TJ Warren.
Defense, ability to make plays and dribble the ball whilst being defended... and hitting the 3pt shot... And Athleticism.

Booker also lacks athleticism and ability to break down defenses to be anything more than a taller Reddick.

I would give Warren and Booker for George any day of the week. And I'm usually very high on youth/rookies and over-project them (See my Goodwin, Len, Bogdanovic outlooks and optimism).

But Paul George on the Suns along Knight, Bledsoe, Chandler.... would make the Suns a 60 win team potentially. The only other "Shoe-in" Small Forward for the Suns would be Kevin Durant.

IMO, Suns should be doing EVERYTHING they can to get one of the following to slide into the SF.

Option 1: Kevin Durant
Option 2: Paul George
Option 3: Gordon Hayward

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Knight + Warren + Len + Teletovic + Goodwin + 2 1sts
for
George + G. Hill + Mahinmi + Christmas

Bledsoe/Price
Hill/Weems/Booker
George/Tucker
Morris/Leuer/Christmas
Chandler/Mahinmi

I don't like it, but it would win games.