The Nets are bad. They may get the #1 pick for the Celtics

MrBaynes · Post #61 » by **MrBaynes** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:37 am

I would totally watch an episode of Unsolved Mysteries about why Billy King still has a job.

ThumbsUpBaby · Post #62 » by **ThumbsUpBaby** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:45 am

And to think that we're not even "tanking" right now. The next 3 years' summer is going to be fun.

ThumbsUpBaby · Post #63 » by **ThumbsUpBaby** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:47 am

MrBaynes wrote:I would totally watch an episode of Unsolved Mysteries about why Billy King still has a job.

He knows Prokhorov's darkest secrets. Or Billy King is an undercover secret agent who knows everyone's secrets. There're no other explanations.

Leslie Forman · Post #64 » by **Leslie Forman** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:54 am

Honestly, I think a big part of the reason is that Prokhorov isn't really that familiar with the concept of a draft. Russian sports leagues are just oligarchs like him bankrolling big signings. He probably doesn't fully grasp just how important good draft picks really are to the success of a franchise.

JesusHCoxMd · Post #65 » by **JesusHCoxMd** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 8:05 am

How does Billy King still have a job? :dontknow:

MrBaynes · Post #66 » by **MrBaynes** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 8:42 am

SanDavid wrote:
MrBaynes wrote:I would totally watch an episode of Unsolved Mysteries about why Billy King still has a job.

He knows Prokhorov's darkest secrets. Or Billy King is an undercover secret agent who knows everyone's secrets. There're no other explanations.

Nope. One word. Illuminati.

hazy_01 · Post #67 » by **hazy_01** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 8:56 am

I guess 2k's "trade override" does exist in real life...

pfm · Post #68 » by **pfm** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 12:25 pm

If the Nets can remain healthy all year they'll still be bad, but not #1 pick bad. Some of the teams the finished below them last year improved, whereas I think the Nets regressed a bit. You can argue that DWill was a cancer (and just wasn't that good), but having Jack and Larkin as your PG options is never a good thing and DWill's on/off court metrics from last year reflect that.

Health is absolutely critical for them. They have poor depth across the board, but if Bropez goes down (which he has a history of doing) then Bargs is their starting C. Starting Bargs at C is basically the tank trump card.

83SixersRocked · Post #69 » by **83SixersRocked** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:33 pm

robbie84 wrote:They're off to an 0-4 start and play Atlanta (on the 2nd night of back to back in ATL) next.
The Celtics have their unprotected picks basically for the next 3 years.

This may turn out to be one of the biggest hauls in the modern NBA for the Celtics by trading Pierce+KG.
They also have the Dallas pick which is top 7 protected, and there's a solid chance that Mavs pick ends up #8, #9 or #10.

This would put Ainge even further up there with the great GM's right?
What are people's thoughts on this situation and do most agree that Brooklyn are looking like a bottom 5 team?

It's a good situation, and it looks like an excellent single deal; it depends what he does with them. It'll be awhile before we see how the Nets do. In 2016 and 2018 Celts get the Nets first rounder, in 2017 its an option to swap. Still a nice take.

There's also potential for the T'Wolves pick which is top 12 protected, so it's not likely, but it's there. And it turns into a 2nd rounder this year (and 2017) if not conveyed as a 1st rounder. Not terrible.

King Ken · Post #70 » by **King Ken** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:35 pm

They aren't that bad, they are simply below average. They should win 25-30 games with their style of Basketball.

Ben-N1ce · Post #71 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:44 pm

King Ken wrote:They aren't that bad, they are simply below average. They should win 25-30 games with their style of Basketball.

They are Mr Gimp away from being god awful and there is a reasonable chance that could happen.

King Ken · Post #72 » by **King Ken** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:46 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:
King Ken wrote:They aren't that bad, they are simply below average. They should win 25-30 games with their style of Basketball.

They are Mr Gimp away from being god awful and there is a reasonable chance that could happen.

That could be said for a lot of teams if they lost their star player.

dc · Post #73 » by dc » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:48 pm

King Ken wrote:They aren't that bad, they are simply below average. They should win 25-30 games with their style of Basketball.

Um, they're pretty bad.

This is has high potential to be one of the all time trade heists in American sports. Could go right up there with the Herschel Walker trade.

I mean, the least knowledgeable posters on this board wouldn't have done that trade (from a Nets perspective). Just plain awful.

DrCoach · Post #74 » by **DrCoach** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:00 pm

and they are gonna get worse, they need to blow up what is left of the roster

Fantaxp7 · Post #75 » by **Fantaxp7** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:01 pm

King Ken wrote:
Ben-N1ce wrote:
King Ken wrote:They aren't that bad, they are simply below average. They should win 25-30 games with their style of Basketball.

They are Mr Gimp away from being god awful and there is a reasonable chance that could happen.

That could be said for a lot of teams if they lost their star player.

Isn't he injury prone though? I don't think the same logic applies unless there are a lot of star players that are injury prone.

Bill Pidto · Post #76 » by **Bill Pidto** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:01 pm

robbie84 wrote:
eagereyez wrote:Is the Nets pick unprotected?

yes unprotected 16, pick swap 17' (unprotected), unprotected 18'.

sfernald · Post #77 » by **sfernald** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 6:37 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:Saying the vast majority of people thought the Nets would be contenders is a little off.

The Nets trade was heavily criticized, there is no hindsight about judging how awful that trade was.

The Nets already screwed themselves into a massive cap space problem. They then traded away their future in hopes that they can nab one championship to at least show for their destined mediocrity.

The Nets at best were seen as an outside shot to upset the Heat, but saying they were anything more than light dark horses is a lie. Maybe a few dumbies thought that, but there were certainly a large number of people who were skeptical of how good the Nets would be - even if their players were able to play a full season, which many people knew was not likely.

To make matters worse, they formed a team that could have only been competitive for one year, and they ended up signing someone who had never coached before in his life in Jason Kidd.

What the Nets did really made no sense, it was just a desperate attempt at getting a ring. It's one of the worst trades ever tbh. Sadly, it might not even be the worst trade Billy King ever did.

I do think if that team was healthy they would have had a shot at beating Miami due to their size advantage, but they probably would have lost in the finals anyway.

Also, Paul Pierce was a rental if I can recall...

Giving up Lillard for G Wallace was pretty **** heinous too. I mean Lilliard is turning out to be one of the few stars of the league. I think if the GM of the Nets was fired, and the team was completely run by fans voting online it would probably do better.

robbie84 · Post #78 » by **robbie84** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 3:23 pm

tong po wrote:Honestly, I think a big part of the reason is that Prokhorov isn't really that familiar with the concept of a draft. Russian sports leagues are just oligarchs like him bankrolling big signings. He probably doesn't fully grasp just how important good draft picks really are to the success of a franchise.

It's got nothing to do with the owner. He puts some NBA 'experts' in charge and would have had advisors with experience in NBA business the whole way.

I understand the Russian stereotype but there's ultimately zero reality in what you're suggesting.

DwayneSchintzus · Post #79 » by **DwayneSchintzus** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 3:44 pm

Doddage wrote:I don't understand how Prok can be a billionaire businessman when he does things like put BK in charge for 5+ years.

When they privatized the Russian economy large industries got handed over to the Russian mafia and various cronies...its not like he legit made all that money...dude controls like all timber farming and a bunch of mining in Russia lol.

Italian Job · Post #80 » by **Italian Job** » Thu Nov 5, 2015 4:01 pm

What is worse about the Gerald Wallace for Nets pick in 2012 is that Crash not only was already declining, but also was going to be a UFA that summer.

King listened to the crybaby who was threating to leave (Deron Williams) and spent the pick on a non-all star (he had his peak season with the 2010 playoff berth with the Bobcats), 30 year old SF with a history of injuries.

This is much worse than the Joe Johnson trade, which the Nets had to pull the trigger on because they missed out on Dwight and had to get Deron immediate help.

They should have rebuilt slowly with Favors and Lopez, but Prokhorov was in a hurry to make the team competitive because of the BKN relocation.

Not only they didn't see the plan had failed, but they completely mortgaged their future with the KG/Pierce trade. Only a moron could think that group could contend, even with Brook Lopez healthy. No way.

And they have ahead of them 5-6 years in the NBA hell with the Thaddeus Young extension. And completely useless signings like Bargnani don't help the little youngsters they have to learn anything useful to grow, since Bargnani is one of the players with less heart and drive to be great of the last 15 years selected in the top5.

The only thing I like of their roster is the selection they made at 29 (Chris McCullough out of Syracuse) who is out for the year nursing the knee injury he sustained in college. And maybe RHJ.

That is something sad.