The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1)

picc · Post #121 » by **picc** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 9:20 am

His defense is very impressive. I'm interested to see if he'll keep it up, as I've seen players put the heat on to start the season and then let up as the games go on. 82 is a lotttttt.

He was above average on defense last year anyway. Always played the best guards tough. If his effort continues to be as high as it is now its going to make a lot of arguments unfair.

The-Power · Post #122 » by **The-Power** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 9:39 am

picc wrote:If his effort continues to be as high as it is now its going to make a lot of arguments unfair.

Somebody has to make a video of his defensive possessions during a game then. But nobody would want to put the effort into it when he can also make highlight-videos of his offense - that's totally understandable.

By the way, is it just me or does he get more on-ball steals and deflections this season? Too early to say, of course, but it seems like he bothers opponents on-ball even more with his quick hands.

Dr Spaceman · Post #123 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 1:04 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:It's crazy but if it was the end of the game and my team was down two points and had I had a lebron with an open path to the lane but curry trailing close behind also open, I'd give curry the open 3 over a guaranteed two points.

Also on a related note memphis needs to blow up

First getting blown up by 30 while lebron himself had a really bad shooting night and now losing by 44 in the third quarter.

I dont know the stats on it but when has a legit contender been blown out by that much twice. I feel they've run their course on the Ground pound and their offense is too limited for today's nba with their personnel, theyve never won a CF game, only getting there in 2013 due to a westbrook injury. They are a treadmill team in the west and I cant see them improving.

However they might be stuck because of their inability to get FA, thus making a rebuild, tank or nothing.

Why can't Memphis just be a fun team that tries to play spoiler come playoff time?

Post #124 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 3:58 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi5rmkRrFL0[/youtube]

What are you even doing anymore, steph?

Although i did find it kinda odd that they kept him in for like 5 more min when they were already up 30.

Dr Spaceman · Post #125 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:11 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi5rmkRrFL0[/youtube]

What are you even doing anymore, steph?

Although i did find it kinda odd that they kept him in for like 5 more min when they were already up 30.

That sequence where he caught it on the flank and then dribbled backwards into the corner for the shot while the announcer goes "No... YES" :lol:

Dr Spaceman · Post #126 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:13 pm

Warriors with a solid 25.0 MOV through 4 games.

euliss · Post #127 » by **euliss** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:37 pm

Curry averaging 50 PER and 76 TS% through the first 4 games is hilarious

Post #128 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:44 pm

His awareness of how to exploit the gravity of his shot is pretty awesome.

RSCD3_ · Post #129 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 4:48 pm

If curry holds up this defense I dont see why it wouldnt be equl to chris paul, he actually has the potential to b better since he's got a longer wingspan and is about 3 inches taller than paul, while paul might be the better man defender I think team defense could be something that curry could surpass him in , he's got sticky fingers on defense

SideshowBob · Post #130 » by **SideshowBob** » Tue Nov 3, 2015 8:00 pm

GSW w/Steph ON

124.8 ORTG
95.9 DRTG

+28.9 Net

GSW w/Steph OFF

103.4 ORTG
86.7 DRTG

+16.7 Net

bballexpert · Post #131 » by **bballexpert** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 1:15 am

MisterHibachi wrote:
bballexpert wrote:
CablexDeadpool wrote:
Chris Paul isn't kinda the better passer, he is the better passer and ballhandler. And Chris Paul is 6'1 according to Draft Express and he is probably the best defensive point guard in the league. And Chris Paul is a comparable shooter to Curry outside of the 3 point shot. Chris Paul shoots comparably to Curry in the midrange area. Chris Paul's control of the game is legendary and he makes that Clippers team go.

Stephen Curry has had one season where he's arguably better than Chris Paul and he still haven't caught up to Chris Paul's overall career and legacy as a player.

Curry will probably totally pass Chris Paul this year but Curry yet hasn't done anything to make he dramatically better than Chris Paul. Chris Paul dropped 19 4.6 10 last year and had an ORTG of 126, an ORTG that was better than Curry's 122.

There are few pgs whose defence made a huge difference and Paul defense is not huge impact from alot of the games i seen in ps. Curry offense demands more respect then Paul i mean look how open people get in fear of Curry shot it is unreal dude.

That's an extremely shallow interpretation. Point guard defense matters a lot. CP was one of the most effective shot deterrents last year and that's not whatever.

http://grantland.com/features/department-of-defense/

CP's offense is deadly. The Clippers have been the best offense in the league the past two years. The results speak for themselves. Fans can't seem to appreciate CP because he's not a flashy player, but he has led the best offense in the league the past two years and he's one of, if not the, best defensive guards in the NBA. Curry seems to have peaked higher, but I don't think the gap is very large.

Pg defense matters when it is Kidd or Payton but Paul not there at all so i do not think matters much. I mean he can not anchor a d really his impact on that end is good for pg and thats about all. Paul offense impact is not on Curry level and impact Curry total changes the way teams have to play the game just on a different level.

bballexpert · Post #132 » by **bballexpert** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 1:17 am

studcrackers wrote:
CablexDeadpool wrote:
bballexpert wrote:Well Paul is better passer kinda and he plays defense better but a 5'11'' guard defense really does not have huge impact. Curry shooting and scoring out way anything Chris can do to effect games Curry just has a lot more impact on the game.

Chris Paul isn't kinda the better passer, he is the better passer and ballhandler. And Chris Paul is 6'1 according to Draft Express and he is probably the best defensive point guard in the league. And Chris Paul is a comparable shooter to Curry outside of the 3 point shot. Chris Paul shoots comparably to Curry in the midrange area. Chris Paul's control of the game is legendary and he makes that Clippers team go.

Stephen Curry has had one season where he's arguably better than Chris Paul and he still haven't caught up to Chris Paul's overall career and legacy as a player.

Curry will probably totally pass Chris Paul this year but Curry yet hasn't done anything to make he dramatically better than Chris Paul. Chris Paul dropped 19 4.6 10 last year and had an ORTG of 126, an ORTG that was better than Curry's 122.

in what world does anyone believe chris paul is 6'1?

Anyone who has seen the guy would say 5'11'' pretty fair he i mean the height is not always legit. I mean does anyone think that Blake is 6'10'' because that what they say his height is he is not that tall though in person.

oaktownwarriors87 · Post #133 » by **oaktownwarriors87** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:14 am

Chris Paul may not defend like Curry, but he plays a mean game of twister.

Post #134 » by **Marcus** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:03 pm

just wanted to be apart of the thread

Purch · Post #135 » by **Purch** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:32 pm

Please Steph Curry last season was better than Paul has ever been. The crazy part is, if Curry has improved even more this season it wont even be close.

When we talk about the best players in the league we're talking about Curry/Durant/Lebron... Not Paul who has two players at his position better than him.

If this was 2008 maybe it'd be closer.

bballexpert · Post #136 » by **bballexpert** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 8:28 pm

Purch wrote:Please Steph Curry last season was better than Paul has ever been. The crazy part is, if Curry has improved even more this season it wont even be close.

When we talk about the best players in the league we're talking about Curry/Durant/Lebron... Not Paul who has two players at his position better than him.

If this was 2008 maybe it'd be closer.

He is not even the best guy on his team at the moment i think that Blake is going to take over that roll. Paul is good but is overrated a tad on the web and total **** on to much by huge amount of causal fans i think he great player but like Kg i think overrated lately. Although i rate Kg a lot higher i do not like the what ifs he gets because different teams work different ways.

RSCD3_ · Post #137 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 10:10 pm

Shooting Numbers are out on BBallref

Through 4 games

0-3 FT ( 6-9 )
3-10 FT ( 13-17 )
10-16 FT ( 5-7 )
16-23 FT ( 5-8 )
3PT ( 21-43 )

16-19 on Layups too

Also NBA.com has him shooting 40.3% of all of his shots before 6 seconds evaporate from the shot clock.

In Transition: 1.85 PPP
In Isolation: 1.36 PPP
Ballhandler: 1.44 PPP

MisterHibachi · Post #138 » by **MisterHibachi** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 10:26 pm

bballexpert wrote:Pg defense matters when it is Kidd or Payton but Paul not there at all so i do not think matters much. I mean he can not anchor a d really his impact on that end is good for pg and thats about all. Paul offense impact is not on Curry level and impact Curry total changes the way teams have to play the game just on a different level.

Well his defense clearly has impact, see the article I quoted earlier. Not to mention the eye test, he did pretty good on Durant in their playoff series two years ago. I would say that was pretty good impact.

And his offensive results speak for themselves, so I don't know how you can say his offense is not comparable.

RSCD3_ · Post #139 » by **RSCD3_** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 11:07 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:
bballexpert wrote:Pg defense matters when it is Kidd or Payton but Paul not there at all so i do not think matters much. I mean he can not anchor a d really his impact on that end is good for pg and thats about all. Paul offense impact is not on Curry level and impact Curry total changes the way teams have to play the game just on a different level.

Well his defense clearly has impact, see the article I quoted earlier. Not to mention the eye test, he did pretty good on Durant in their playoff series two years ago. I would say that was pretty good impact.

And his offensive results speak for themselves, so I don't know how you can say his offense is not comparable.

He played some good possessions here and there but he wasnt the primary defender of KD nor did he limit his efficiency much when he was on the court, here are some stats I dug up...

Here's the stats when CP3 was on and off the court

With Paul

51/104 FG, 13-30 3PT, 49/43

Without Paul

12-30 FG, 2-9 3PT, 40/22

bballexpert · Post #140 » by **bballexpert** » Wed Nov 4, 2015 11:41 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
bballexpert wrote:Pg defense matters when it is Kidd or Payton but Paul not there at all so i do not think matters much. I mean he can not anchor a d really his impact on that end is good for pg and thats about all. Paul offense impact is not on Curry level and impact Curry total changes the way teams have to play the game just on a different level.

Well his defense clearly has impact, see the article I quoted earlier. Not to mention the eye test, he did pretty good on Durant in their playoff series two years ago. I would say that was pretty good impact.

And his offensive results speak for themselves, so I don't know how you can say his offense is not comparable.

He played some good possessions here and there but he wasnt the primary defender of KD nor did he limit his efficiency much when he was on the court, here are some stats I dug up...

Here's the stats when CP3 was on and off the court

With Paul

51/104 FG, 13-30 3PT, 49/43

Without Paul

12-30 FG, 2-9 3PT, 40/22

Doesn't seem like a huge impact to me really and i would not expect it from a pg overall there d is not life changing like the other potions way its always been. As for offense Paul is great but Curry is different level because his shot is something no one has seen before if **** up everybody and they have to change the way defense is played Curry will pull ahead even more this season.